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No External HDD Access on PS4 – Is It Really a Problem?

From PS4 Attitude: "A lot has been made of the inability to connect an external HDD to the PS4 in order to expand the available storage space or copy videos, MP3 files and other content to the internal HDD.

But is it really that big a deal? We take a look at some of the trends that might have led Sony to make this decision in the first place.

First of all, let’s recap why you might want to connect an external HDD to the PS4 in the first place. To do that, we’ll look at how it was used historically on the PS3..."

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prodg524491d ago

I said in another post that leaving these features out had to do with security. Sony is a company that produces music and movies. They are also a big supporter of DRM. By not allowing external HDD they can control what content is played through their system. Like any other company, they want to be paid for providing content, not content pirated from the internet.

vallencer4491d ago

What I just find ironic is they go from allowing an external hdd to not allowing one. Where as Microsoft goes from not allowing one to allowing one. I think they should have kept the ability there. Granted it's nice to be able to change your internal one but to be able to put a ssd in there and have an external one would have been nice.

decrypt4491d ago

Well consoles are controlled systems. You have to understand corporations make decisions on whatever suits their policies the best.

Why do you think they dont allow simple features on consoles:

No Mod support - So they can charge you for DLC,
Pay to go online - Free on PC, no reason why online should be charged.
No BC - So they can sell you HD remakes, or force you to buy more newer games, both ways they win.

Console hardware you pay for, isnt really controlled by you. Its controlled by corporations who really are the real owners of the platform.

DeadlyFire4491d ago (Edited 4491d ago )

I think they will patch in support later.

UltimateMaster4491d ago

Yes, it is.
Even if we can't export games to external HDD, at least allow us to export our game play videos and media "MP3" on external memory devices.

Boody-Bandit4491d ago

I have a 2TB HD ready to install in my PS4. I don't think I will ever need more than that for storage.

Section84491d ago

@decrypt

You don't have to pay to play online on ps3.

decrypt4491d ago (Edited 4491d ago )

@section8

I know you dont have to pay to play on PS3, which just shows how much of a push around corporate control on a platform can be.

You are now forced to pay to play online on the PS4 and their is nothing you can do about it. On an open platform like the PC, MS tried this dirty underhanded trick. PC gamers refused to use GFWL since we had alternatives since PC was an open platform. With a corporate platform you a really are left with no option but to suck up to whatever they desire.

Hicken4491d ago

@decrypt: Is that why everybody just sucked up the DRM that Microsoft wanted to push?

Oh, wait, only PC gamers do that.

decrypt4491d ago (Edited 4491d ago )

@hicken

GFWL is a big flop, what are you on about? even the latest Batman game doesnt use GFWL hardly any PC gamer uses it.

Lastly regardless of any PC DRM, console DRM is way worse. Console hardware is the DRM for consoles. Can you play PS3 games on PS4? no you cant. I can still play PC games i bought back in the PS1 days.

Even then since PC is an open platform most of the time PC gamers have the liberty of cracking DRMs, such options are just not possible on console, since the corporations control you.

Hicken4491d ago

Nobody mentioned GFWL. There's plenty more DRM out there, and it exists because PC gamers allow it to.

While hardware may be the DRM for consoles(I guess, though what you explain doesn't make ANY sense; I mean, do programs designed for MAC work on Windows? not without being altered; pretty certain that's the same thing, and it's really like complaining that you dvd player won't read a VHS cassette), software is and has always been the DRM for PC. And because PC gamers accept it, you had things like the recent Sim City nonsense occur.

There are plenty of non-online-only games where you have to connect online first in order to play. There's also how non-commutable PC games are: it's really not an easy task to take a game from one PC to another, making loaning and selling out of the question.

All that is also DRM.

Why is there a need to crack DRM if there is none on PC? You're contradicting yourself. And I really find it odd that specialized software- that is: games built for a specific platform- are the same level of DRM as something that makes you connect online to play a game.

You have this clear disdain for console gaming: you can't seem to find anything positive to say about anything console-related. Yet you never fail to show up and say something negative. If you dislike consoles so much(and it's pretty hard to argue that you don't dislike them), why not just stay the hell out of news about them?

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Shad0wRunner4491d ago

I disagree.

If Sony thought external HDD support was that much of a threat, they would've issued a firmware update to have it completely removed from the PS3, a long time ago. They didnt seem to have any hesitations when removing OtherOS support, when they thought that was a threat. External HDD support has much less to do with piracy, and more to do with trying to CONTROL how the consumer can interact with their merchandise, by limiting your options.

Furthermore, there are a lot of people who DO pay for their content. Pay for MP3's and digital video files...and those people like the ability to transfer those files from one storage device to another. You cant assume everyone is a pirate and 100% of all downloaded media, is pirated. It doesnt work that way. I pay for Netflix and I pay for Music Unlimited and I do have a PC and an MP3 player....but I want as many options at my disposal as I can have and if I want my PS4 to support external HDD's...thats my prerogative. And from a consumer perspective, theres nothing wrong with wanting it.

It's like this...

Sony has a chance to deliever to the consumer, what they want. We are being very vocal about what we want. And we are getting Sony's attention with it, as statements have been made from Sony regarding missing media features and support. But if they dont deliver, if they use the ever looming threat of piracy to dodge and avoid what we are asking for...sooner or later...some hacker, cracker or script kiddie is gonna come along and figure out how to jailbreak the PS4, just like they did with the PS3. And when they do...the homebrew and modding communities will give us the features, options and abilities we want...whether Sony likes it or not.

In the end, it would be easier if Sony just gave us FULL media support and playback from external HDD's, thumb drives and other devices. They wanna fight the pirates, fine...but dont screw me over in the process.

Rocky54491d ago (Edited 4491d ago )

It is to do with security, the PS HDD is married/encrypted to that system using its unique security key.

Its the reason you can't take 1 HDD out & stick it in another PS, it will ask you to reformat it.

Also Sony store half the firmware on the HDD, don't ask me why, its what Somy support told me when ther 4.46 firmware bricked my PS3.

So its prob more the latter is the reason for no external storage, there system isn't/wasnt built to hand it.

Would also like point out the PS3/4 uses a propiatory file system ufs2.

Also that's why games aren't allowed to be stored on external storage. They don't want people ripping them.

Shad0wRunner4491d ago

External HDD support....has nothing to do with the internal drive, or what Sony has on it. Thats a load of bullocks. All were talking about here, is the ability to plug an external HDD into the PS4, have it read it and play media from it. Same as it does on PS3. Has nothing to do with security, pirating or hacking or their propietary code or the authentication keys or whatever. One cannot access ANY of that, from an external HDD. Get real.

Rocky54491d ago (Edited 4491d ago )

Ah ok, I thought it was about running software from the external media.

So the PS4 in its current state doesn't allow playback of any media content, from external sources.

Would all like to point out what I stated above is 100% correct/true & is the sole reason for no software being played from external media, PS3 games that were downloaded ie, Digital are stored in an open file system, no proprietary container like how MS do it on the xbox, so its out of fear of modding game files & pirating software.

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Thepcz4491d ago

its amazing when the fans defend what is a limitation.

JsonHenry4491d ago

I'm pretty sure anyone that is in to pirating won't mind taking out a few screws to get at the HDD. And given that it is x86 based I foresee it being cracked fairly soon.

Rocky54490d ago

The PS4 has a propriatory HDD format ufs2 which currently can only be read.

Also I was thinking currently to marry a HDD with any PS3/4 system you need to reapply the firmware update, (reason above a few posts) so in order to have external storage they would need to do the same with the USB devices.

Since the sole reason is to stop people sharing games view storage devices. (Can't take you HDD out & use it in another console)

I hope its not hacked as that is not good for the community in a hole & will cause major issues with games & rampant pirating.

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ape0074491d ago

Damage Control Walking to the Ring.....

for we are many4491d ago (Edited 4491d ago )

The media has been acting weird lately around sony, maybe that's the power of money or influence, but the damage control here is historically unheard of, They damage control things that still nobody has complained about in turn doing what can be best described as "future-proof Damage Control". Those money induced actions I can understand, but it's the fanboy promoting this kind of corporate damage control behavior and supporting it in their comments is what perplexes me, and that's a characteristically peculiar finding in the sony fanboy community.

Joe9134491d ago (Edited 4491d ago )

Yea like when some xbox fanboys defended the DRM crap. When will ppl realize it goes both ways your going to have your supporters either way so calling out one group has no point because ppl can point the finger right back. So if you think fanboys supporting Sony taking away external hdd then what did you have to say about MS fanboys supporting the DRM stuff and if you are a MS fanboy then why do you care what Sony does just a few questions you talk crap how fanboys ruin stuff but you are a fanboy too just for the other side it is crazy also you see how fans can get not sure if these are a bunch of xbox fans or not but when xbox one was announce it got alot of crap for not putting games first you see Sony put games first and will update all the media features later and ppl are still crying about it so and ppl calling it a money grab when they just trying to not follow in MS footsteps but one thing they will find out is you can't make everyone happy

OT: Didn't the ps3 hack come from external hdd and that almost ended the Playstation brand the most profitable brand at Sony right now so it would kind of make sense to try and keep it from happening again if you could. I do know that is how you do the lvl up and a money hack in GTA5 as long as ps3 is running old firmware that hack is still going on and causing problems so it kinda make sense other than hacking don't see why Sony would block it.

The_KELRaTH4491d ago (Edited 4491d ago )

When you fill up your car don't forget we're taking the wheels away just in case you drive off and have an accident - prevention is better than cure!

So how much piracy was caused by the use of external drives on the PS3?
Also the article refers figures just to HDD connection but no mention of memory / flash sticks which are likely used a lot more.

Lannister4491d ago (Edited 4491d ago )

Eh... did NOT know that. Wow

Can I still stream stuff from my computer ?

What kind of futuristic device does NOT allow you to plug in your external HDD ?

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PS5 Sales Pass 92.2 Million Units, Beating Nintendo Switch 2 in the Holiday Quarter

Sony announced its financial results for the third quarter of fiscal year 2025, alongside the traditional update on PS5 shipments.

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italiangamer29d ago

Sony and Nintendo are both thriving and I'm happy, thank goodness for them or otherwise the whole gaming industry would be in shambles if they only had PC to rely on!

dveio29d ago

• Total G&NS revenue: 10.5 billion USD
• Operating profit: 900 million USD
• Hardware sales: 8M units shipped
• Software sales: 97M units
• PSN MAU: 132M

vs. Xbox:

• Total gaming revenue: 5.96 billion USD
• nothing else gets reported

__y2jb29d ago

Xbox operating costs are without a doubt eye wateringly high, way way way higher than Sony. GP is costing them an absolute fortune to operate.

Tapani28d ago

That is a very solid operating profit. It's not net, obviously, but still a very healthy amount of cash you make after cost of debt and taxes (+ other expenses), and can invest into R&D and future endeavours. And give back to your shareholders or buy back shares.

DivineHand12529d ago

It would be in Sony's beat interest to not rush next generation. Let 2029 or 2030 be the start of next generation. There is clearly plenty of demand for the PS5 and gamers are not asking for more at this time.

S2Killinit29d ago

Yup especially with the price of tech going up. They already have the PRO to hold them over.

__y2jb29d ago (Edited 29d ago )

Exactly this. Let Xbox wither on the vine for a couple more years and there will be nothing left.

fr0sty29d ago

I fully agree for 2 reasons:

1. Microsoft seems to be in a hurry to release the new Xbox, if they do at all... AMD speculates a 2027 release. This will hurt them in the long run, because:

2. Datacenters are buying up ALL the RAM, and some RAM manufacturers have stopped making RAM for consumer products entirely, while the other remaining ones are scared to ramp up their production capacity to make more RAM because they're worried this whole AI thing is a bubble that is about to pop, and they don't want to be caught holding the bag when it does pop. So, for now, it costs $300-400 for 32GB of DDR5. That's the MSRP for some entire consoles.

If Microsoft drops the new Xbox now, it's going to cost them a fortune. If Sony holds their cards a moment and lets PS5 cook for a while, as it's showing no signs whatsoever of slowing down in sales, then by the time PS6 is ready to drop, RAM prices should have stabilized, allowing Sony to devote much more of their budget towards making PS6's CPU and GPU more powerful, in addition to the tech itself maturing and the available CPU and GPU parts being much more powerful for the same price point than they would be if released today. So, we'd get a super powerful PS6 in say, 2029, that won't have to cost $700-800. They speculate, based on the current specs, that the new Xbox will cost north of $1,000, and that was before the RAM shortage came into the picture. It's definitely going to be even higher now that RAM costs so much.

MS will be shooting themselves in the foot (again) if they try to drop a new Xbox now, and Sony would be wise to capitalize on that mistake by holding their cards a while longer, raking in more of those PS5 profits, and then dropping a new console as soon as the hardware market stabilizes from this AI datacenter BS.

darthv7229d ago

7 years is a hurry...? Its the same amount of time between XBO and series. The same amount of time between PS3 to PS4 and PS4 to PS5. The 360 was 8 years between it and XBO.

If they do release first, and then Sony a year or two later... is it not possible for prices to come down in that time?

repsahj29d ago (Edited 29d ago )

I think Switch 2 beat PS5 during December 2025 that is why the gap decrease to 1m units. Because during black friday, I know PS5 sales is 2:1 against the Switch 2.

And I just want to add that the PlayStation 5 is currently 1.94 million units BEHIND the PlayStation 4 when you align launches. While Switch 2 is 10M ahead against the Switch 1 when you aligned covering it's first 7 months.

S2Killinit29d ago

I think you are forgetting to mention the chip shortages for PS5.

salis84429d ago (Edited 29d ago )

No one wants the Switch 2 to do badly.

PS5 being less than 2m behind PS4 is not a big deal; PS5 had to deal with COVID and ongoing supply and pricing struggles that clearly still exist today. Sales of software are incredibly strong, and the size of the community is bigger than its ever been.

PS5 is well on pace to exceed its early (2021) estimates of 110m by end of life even if that's 2027. PS5 will hit 100m before November and then sell another 6-8M in November + December.

PS5 is doing great, and so is Switch 2, it's good for everyone that they succeed, pitting the two against each other is more damaging than anything related to the sales of the two consoles individually.

repsahj29d ago

"No one wants the Switch 2 to do badly."

majority on this site tells otherwise.

Dexterio29d ago

@repsahj
Yup because they’ve been the anti consumer they are for so long and needs to be humbled 😆

CrashMania29d ago (Edited 29d ago )

I'd be lying if I said I didn't regret my purchase a bit. I mainly bought it for Mario Kart World, but I find it pales in comparison to 8. I'm annoyed that Nintendo charged money for a super barebones 'upgrade' to Jamboree, no new minigames? No new boards? Just some gimmicky low res camera mode. Oh and Midtroid Prime 4 let me down as well, yet to go back and finish it.

I don't want the Switch 2 to fail, it's contributing to a healthier console market with the death of xbox consoles. I'll get use out of mine long term, but some of Nintendo's decisions like the ones above just annoy me lol.

jznrpg28d ago

@respahj the only thing I want Nintendo to badly is the 80$ games so they lower the price.

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Sony Patents AI-Generated Podcasts Using PlayStation Character Voices

A new patent registered by Sony suggests the company is exploring the idea of personalized podcasts on PS5, hosted by PlayStation characters.

Eonjay30d ago

Okay this is actually really cool too. What is being proposed here is that the AI will generate you a podcast that is focused on the games tht you play or have wihlisted. This means you always get topic relevant to your tastes. Just don't screw it up with a bunch of ads.

PapaBop29d ago

AI is very cool, it's just all the real cool stuff is being drowned out by companies exploiting it as a marketing buzzword, generative AI slop and companies using it to cut corners and save money.

Sciurus_vulgaris29d ago

This is a terrible idea. Firstly the characters voices originate from real voice work. Secondly, the ai could end up saying questionable things. Thirdly, some voice actors use their regular voice when acting.

Juancho5129d ago

I know it's cool to hate AI, but we only hate AI because of idiots that misuse it or exploit it to take away peoples jobs. THIS is a GREAT application of AI, instead of having a human being voice actor sitting there for hours talking in character while having people writing scripts or coming up with topics etc, it can all just get POOFd into thin air and you can enjoy unique and entertaining content that harms no one.

PapaBop29d ago (Edited 29d ago )

Not sure if intentionally being funny lol. isn't this like quite literally taking away people's jobs? I think SAG-AFTRA may disagree about this harming no one.,

Juancho5125d ago

The thing is that this isn't even something that's necessary to create as a job. Without AI it just wouldn't exist period, it wouldn't be worth the effort. So what I mean to say is, having AI utilize the voice actors (with their consent of course) to create unlimited "podcast-style" content is not only super lucrative (which people will call exploitation), but it creates an entire form of entertainment that requires a "Set it and forget it" mechanism where you don't have to babysit it or hire and fire or train or anything.

TLDR: Without AI this wouldn't even be considered at all, so I'd rather have this than not have it at all.

gold_drake29d ago (Edited 29d ago )

i hate this

i hate all of this. dont just use peoples voices for AI slob that u dont pay for

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RAM Price Increases Could See Next-Generation Console Releases Delayed

Insider Gaming has learned that the ongoing price increases in RAM due to the rise in AI could delay the next generation of console releases.

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slate9166d ago

What is even the incentive of upgrading to the next-gen after this console generation we've had? Graphics are plateauing, prices at an all time high, studios skipping entire generations or simply releasing just one game for it...
Its a mess

Jin_Sakai66d ago

Been gaming all my life. This is the worst generation ever.

jznrpg66d ago

How do you gauge each generation? There has been a lot of really good games this gen. I only care about the games. First party hasn’t been the best but the generation isn’t over yet

DarXyde65d ago (Edited 65d ago )

jznrpg,

Thing is, every generation before this one has had something that defined console identity. Very little beyond bigger/more detailed games and performance modes are really there.

I feel the last generation that cared very much was gen 7; Capcom's darkest era, but I have to give them props for being really experimental at the time. We saw plenty of new games that still tried to do something new. Outside of Metaphor and Clair Obscur, this gen has been pretty forgettable if you ask me. I'm sure a lot of it is the corporatization of the industry and the creative talent has to keep making sequels and spiritual successors because the cost of development is out of control. But even then, plenty of these experiences are experiences we've had already. And the thing is. Switch 2 and PSVR2 could really be doing incredible things, but it's just not there. Xbox I just don't see the value or point anymore but that's just me.

anast65d ago

Why has is been the worst? I've been gaming all my life and this gen. has been one of the best.

Vits66d ago

Not to mention that just like this generation, the next one will also be shared between the current and next gen console at least for a couple of years. So the few titles that it will had, just like this one, will run on the console you already have.

franwex65d ago

We will be getting games on PS4, PS5, and PS6, haha.

Extermin8or3_64d ago

I think people have to remember the pandemic at start of this gen and how it effected game development. This next gen we will see the PS4 etc support dropped and truly see the full utilisation of SSD's improvements to ray and path tracing and the impact of AI upscaling etc will be where the biggest improvements will come from.

isarai_lee65d ago

My sentiments exactly, next gen has got to prove it's worth before i buy into it this time. This has been the weakest generation in my 30yrs of gaming. From the drawn out cross gen garbage, to so many games getting stuck in development hell or canceled, to the ABSURD levels of trend chasing to the point of self destruction, this gen just wasn't worth it

thorstein65d ago

I'm pretty sure I've already read a story that said Playstation is only halfway through this console's generation and that PS6 is a way off.

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darthv7266d ago

Im good with next gen being pushed back to 27/28. It feels like this gen has only just begun.

Melankolis65d ago

Covid-19 held back everything at least 2 years worth. Although many people disliked, i think only UE5 can generally distinguish this gen from the previous one.

DarXyde65d ago

UE5 is definitely impressive, but I would also give the nod to the current version of Decima, at least the way it looks for Death Stranding 2.

CornholioX65d ago

That's normal how you think. Time goes faster when you're older and i bought my PS5 since day 1 release and now it's 5 years old. I don't mind a year delay to release PS6 in holiday 2028.

DoubleYourDose65d ago

Tomorrow isn't promised to any of us.

Eonjay65d ago

I was under the impression that next gen wasn't coming till 2027.z u9gsq

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victorMaje66d ago

Regardless of RAM price increases, I strongly believe there’s still a lot of potential left for the current gen. I’d be fine with at least 3 more years.

jznrpg66d ago

Whenever it comes out is fine with me. I still have backlog for the next year at least

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