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Xbox One Hands-On: Is Kinect 2.0 A Mistake?

NowGamer: "Can this next-gen Kinect sell motion controls to hardcore gamers, or is it just an upgraded gimmick for the Xbox One?"

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KiLLUMiNATi_894574d ago (Edited 4574d ago )

Ok simply tell me why kinect is a mistake? I simply don't want two ps4 on the market, diversity is needed. If you ask I think kinect is a brillant idea without question, matter of time when people can start seeing its potential.

Kurylo3d-- you need space for voice commands, really ? Also it's call XBOX 1 meaning a all in one machine, it's a multimedia device. I don't understand you n4g folks at all... Kinect being a gimmick haha, so that makes the PsEye what then ?

Kurylo3d4574d ago (Edited 4574d ago )

Because its a gimmick. That adds nothing to video games. It wants to be virtual reality.. but it ends up falling very short. Its market is limited because you need enough space in your living room to use it.. and its market is limited because you can only make certain types of games with it.

This thing should be marketed toward indy developers as motion capture... which many are starting to use it for that on their pcs.

@above..

never said pseye wasnt a gimmick. That thing is worse then a gimmick its trash not even suitable for developers doing motion cap or 3d scanning. But still doesnt make kinnect any less then a gimmick. If you want voice commadns use a microphone.. why do i need to add $100 extra to the console? Voice commands have been done for ages.. kinnect isnt bringing that. lol.

Imalwaysright4574d ago

The only different thing about kinect is that instead of using a controller you're waving your arms and legs because its software is exactly the same that we've been having for years with regular controllers, aside from a few dance games. There is absolutely nothing revolutionary or different about its software. As a gamer I can 100% live without that kind of diversity.

pompombrum4574d ago

How kinect 2 turns out remains to be seen but the original kinect was extremely underwhelming and was made even worse by Microsoft promising so many things for it. It wouldn't be fair to call kinect 2 a mistake just yet but the higher price point with slightly inferior hardware doesn't exactly fill me with confidence at this stage.

harrisk9544574d ago

The Kinect and the PS Eye are "gimmicks"... the difference is that Kinect is being forced on people and is a direct reason for the XB1 to be $100 more than the PS4. With the less expensive tech under the hood, MS might have been able to undercut Sony on price had the Kinect not been mandatory.

InTheLab4574d ago

A matter of time before people see its potential was said about the first Kinect which was fine because it was optional and now look at it. If your casual family just bought a kinect for $150 a year ago, why would they pay $500 for more kinect and promises of potential.

Eventually you need a return on investment and so far, kinect has failed on every level that's not dance central.

So yes it's a mistake. It's the reason why I'm not getting an X1 and the reason why those that are will have to pay out the a$$ for one.

mightyhokie4574d ago

KiLL,
I have enjoyed my Kinect. Sure, there have been times when I give a command a couple of times, and even (rarely) where I give commands and end up blurting for it to lick my butt because it won't listen. But it is veeeeeery convenient for me to just say 'xbox pause', 'xbox play', and stuff like that when watching tv. And I've generally had success at that. My kids love the Sesame Street stuff which they interact with.
So if Kinect 2.0 is as good as they say then I'll be happy. MS has a lot of opportunity there for gamers and entertainment alike. I think they are looking at the future. People say it is a gimmick. I don't think so. Look at all the products coming out now with voice commands. Is that really going to go away? I don't think so.

If people don't want it then get a PS4. I think in 5 years or so with the cloud and kinect improvements and all that MS will be sitting pretty. Just my opinion. I don't have a crystal ball. But I have enjoyed mine and I realllllly look forward to my x1 and not having to have 4 different remote controls.

malokevi4574d ago

The person in the article, who has actually had hands-on time with the device, is singing it's praises. Meanwhile, a bunch of N4G people who both haven't tried the device and don't intend on buying an Xbox say that it's a useless gimmick and that the hardware/software is the same.

hmmmm......

burd_persin4574d ago

Remember, haters are gonna hate. Most of the people when I launched the ps4 last night were asking if they could buy a playstation eye. Which is a half assed kinect. I got some hands on time and it has some cool things, but it's nowhere close. With the sony fanboys calling it a mistake and then purchasing the eye just shows how much bias there is toward one console without even looking into any benefits. I love the ps4 and it is a sexy beast, but its trying to go after something SIMILAR to Xbox.

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Bigpappy4574d ago

If you are buying a PS4, I am sure you think it is.

ChrisW4574d ago

Of course a troll with 1 bubble like NeoTribe thinks it's a mistake.

Kryptix4574d ago (Edited 4574d ago )

Of course because if you're buying an Xbox One, you're forced to like it and use it or it's money wasted.

Plus the people buying a PS4 have the option to get the PS Eye but most of them think it's a gimmick, too.

Every time I read an Xbot's comment, I laugh a little from their broken logic... In this case, why can't you accept that people say motion sensing is a gimmick in general. People don't bash the Kinect, just the idea of waving your arms when using controllers is much more comfortable.

lastofgen4574d ago

Not for me.
I plan to use it to its fullest capabilities, especially with ui navigation.
And knowing everyone that buys an xbox one will have the same experience is good to know.

ZeroX98764574d ago

it's not really a mistake, there's a market for the kinect too.

BUT, bundling it with every X1 was a mistake for me. I like to buy my accessories if I'm going to use it only. I'm not buying the PS4 camera right away, why?

budget reasons for some, more or less useless for me (except streaming online :D)

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fattyuk4574d ago

Is Kinect 2.0 a mistake..... Not really

Making people pay for it when they don't want it.... Yes!

come_bom4574d ago

Yep... Kinect 2.0 should really be optional, and not forced with every console. Another stupid mistake by Microsoft.

mhunterjr4574d ago

No one is MAKING anyone do anything.

ChrisW4574d ago

Agree! If you don't want Kinect 2.0, then don't buy an Xbox One!

RonRico4574d ago

If you want an XBone, then yes they are.

mhunterjr4574d ago (Edited 4574d ago )

@RonRico

If you don't the kinect, then you don't want the xb1. It's part of the package.
Why is no one complaining that MS is forcing you to buy a $500 HDD, or a headset, or a controller? Because they are part of the standard package.

Kingthrash3604574d ago

thing is the kinect made a weaker console more expensive and as of now still a gimmik...its like what if ps3 charged for its 3d capabilities...

MysticStrummer4574d ago

"If you don't the kinect, then you don't want the xb1."

There are many people who want an XB1 but don't want Kinect. No one is complaining about those other things because those things are proven to be needed for a quality gaming experience. Kinect still hasn't been proven to be necessary, therefore it is a gimmick, just like PS Eye.

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cyhm31124574d ago

upgraded gimmick obviously, not that I want to beat a dead horse. A gimmick MS believe can achieve the success the likes of Wii!!! hooray!!

yarbie10004574d ago

People use the word gimmick without even really knowing the definition I believe: "trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity, or business"

Anyone who has watched the navigation videos and seen the controls using Kinect can see that this is useful, and therefore not a gimmick.

strickers4574d ago

Matter of opinion . Many of its "features" like hand waving menus, are less effecient than buttons . Voice control can be dine in other ways. Gimmick.

MysticStrummer4574d ago

For gaming it is a gimmick. It's a cool, futuristic looking way to navigate menus, but it's not the only game in town for that. Newer smart TVs do it, and there are external devices that allow it to be done also.

Gazondaily4574d ago

I don't think so. Not yet anyway. We need something to differentiate the X1 from the PS4. If utilised correctly, it could become a really good piece of companion hardware for the console.

I think its quite exciting that every console comes bundled with it. Lets hope it works well.

infectedaztec4574d ago

Agree 100%.

The UI was designed for it.

It doesn't have to intrude on games unless its tasteful - for example head tracking in BF4.

Apart from the obvious power step up. Its the biggest difference between the new gen and current gen

Kingthrash3604574d ago

i agree the x1 needs somthing to differentiate yje x1 from ps4...but the kinect isnt it. ps4 has the cam and while weaker it has voice commands, eye tracking (announced and shown last night) facial recognition ect. and who's to say sony wont patch more. yeah the kinect is differnt but not such a differance that people are like hey, im gettin x1 because the kinect is stronger than pscam. in fact thay are saying im getting a ps4 because its more powerful because of their first party games because its cheaper.
ms should have spent money makeing making more first party studio's. spending money and forcing the widely unpopulaer kinect on customers has hurt them more that anything.
i understand you lke the kinect but the majority of gamers dont want it or would rather have it seperate for later purchase. in business you give to majority what they want then you do the stuff for the minority for better profits...ms has done it backwards with the x1.

cyhm31124574d ago

the whole thing about xbone is a mistake, whether people deny it or not.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai25d ago (Edited 25d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio25d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing25d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9225d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit25d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing25d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9225d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay27d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn228d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn227d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown27d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay27d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay27d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac27d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger27d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300027d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde27d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde27d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7529d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_26d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.