The thing about Yoshidas answers is, you can believe them. No bullsh*t.

Well Square Enix is doing cloud computing so it is the future of gaming.
http://venturebeat.com/2013...

Microsoft has invested billion into research the last seven years so this isn't something that was planned over night.

I keep saying that if MS had wanted to prove it, even if only as concept, all they needed to was roll out a console on stage along with some servers, show the console running a game by itself then show it running the same game with the servers. Yet all they've done is talk and try to sell the ideal of the concept as they try to sell the ideal of the console.

@ricochetmg:
B.S.. They were showing off concept Kinect games two years before they actually released that broken mess. If Sony can put out their Duck demos MS should have done the same.

Cloud gaming will be well known term in 5 years. Both Xbox and ps4 will day streaming games from servers to console just like how onlive works today.

Still don't understand? Go here:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

This is good and bad, as you will be paying for licenses instead of owning the game and it will depend on your bandwidth. Think about it,

The Pro to streaming games means a game can be created on a virtual server with perhaps 100 core processions and 1tb of ram. This requires no hardware upgrade on the client side.

I'll say this again, I am a network engineer by trade, i have been working in the IT industry for over 20 years and seen it all. I have recently overseen a £250,000 overhaul of my company's distributed computing servers(cloud). The latest technology was acquired, the latest software was used.
I would regard myself as a expert on this kind of stuff, there is no way that the world's Internet infrastructure is capable of handling what MS are stating they can do with cloud.
There ludicrous boasts about increasing the X1's power tenfold earlier in the year made me and other IT professionals laugh. We are at least a minimum of 10 years away from having a infrastructure that supports that kind of data exchange. Sure, a few serveside calculations here and there are OK, but not on the scale that MS have us believe.

While the X1 is a fantastic piece of kit, which I look forward to getting soon, please don't be sucked in by the PR hype machine.

Who knows.
We'll all know within a few years of the x1's launch.

Come on! 10% of MS cloud computing will be for gaming the other 90% will be for tv, tv, sport, tv, sport, tv, sport, sport, tv, tv!

stupid people are stupid, that's why these corporate executive can fool you to believe this cloud computing thing.
It is the same as those religious or political leaders try to manipulate the dumb majority's minds and tell them to do what they want.

Anyone remember Blast Processing on the Genesis/Mega Drive? Same Thing.

sony should be worrying about getting some more games to the system for people to play and less about its competition

Anyone in the IT side knows that the Cloud is Servers and DATA Centers. This is the wave of the future and not just some hype. What you don't understand does not mean that Microsoft does not have serious strategy behind it. There are many companies and institutions heavily involved and purchasing and investing in Cloud Computing and Cloud Servers and Farms. The part that I find interesting is everyone is so quick to denounce what the cloud can and can't do. Why would Microsoft rush and put all of its ideas and coveted technologies out and give someone the upperhand. Here is a clue do some research into companies like Utah Data Center. If you don't think that speaks volumes about what the cloud is capable of then sue me! The Cloud is not just data offloading some functions its multitasking and performing serious computations in realtime.....

This a basically how things will turn out

"the cloud is bs"

(but if it turns out to enhance performance)
"oh the one is too weak, it needs help from the cloud"

(Then sony starts utilizing cloud computing to enhance the ps4's performance)
"oh ok, I accept it now"

Has anyone seen MS demonstrate this ? if it can do what they say how come we haven't seen it in action ? it would be something positive for MS but yet we have seen nothing (as yet)

@PharaohX
My friend, the problem isnt the cloud; people know that the coud is nothing but a bunch of super fast computers.
Everybody gets that.

What me and others question is its applicability to improve performance in games.
The cloud by its very nature (internet and all) HAS LATENCY.
Unless every computer in the world is in the same network as the super servers that make up MS's cloud (and even then...) there is no way they can use those servers to realistically add a few fps, add better AI of better physics to a game because those tasks (and pretty much everything that matters in a game) have to be done in time for the next frame to be rendered. And the scenario is amusing to imagine:

You pop a disc, connect to XLive and you game is 1080p, with the best physics of the world and the most intelligent enemies...

Then...someone trips over you lan cable and all of sudden enemies are the dumbest thing on earth or your resolution drops to sub 780p? can you see how silly this is?

You cant create a game and delegate some aspects of it to the cloud and using the local power that otherwise would be used to improve some aspect of your game...because what happens when for some reason there is lag or the connection drops completely?

Just like the 360 achievement and Wii motion control, eventually Sony will just Crtl+c and Crtl +P whatever MS or Nintendo is doing.

Internet speeds are going to be a lot faster in a year or two . Mine is 20 times faster than it was only a few years back. It is about to have another huge speed increase.

http://www.nbnco.com.au/whe...

Sony is correct. Microsoft is full of shit. The small theoretical gains to be made with a lot of effort could be spent better optimising code for the actual console. You will not jump from Uncharted 1 to U3 with cloud power.
My farts have more chance of achieving what MS is claiming.

The Cloud processing should be so obviously limited, people just need to look at how much difference it makes having even tiny increases in the distance (talking microchip scale stuff) between all the various components on a board, all the information being passed back and forth and how that has a bearing on just how quickly a given series of tasks may be completed.

And people somehow expect THAT same kind of function to be feasibly handled quickly enough to matter by sending data off to a server hundreds/possibly thousands of miles away, have it go through its tasks, send it all the way back and just WORK...

HELL cloud computing COULD give us Avatar visuals, but the SPEED simply isn't there to give it to us at home. One day, I completely believe it will, but until all of the US and other larger (geographically more expansive regions) are outfitted with fiber connections across the board, it will have to wait.

Japan might get some cloud computing miracles, fast as their connections are, but not the US, maybe Europe can get rolling on it as they are closer together and more densely packed.

Most of us knows the cloud as Microsoft is selling it will not magically improve the hardware or games but Microsoft will continue with that marketing fraud because there is a group that will believe their lies, the Xbots, they will believe it without question and once Microsoft has their money they don't care.

Of course you don't understand, Yoshida.

That is simply because you are being honest and respectful. A less humble man would have pulled MS's card and cried bullcrap.

@MicDude

Nobody has ever walked on the moon.

If you seriously think back in the 60's this could be done, they can't even do it now.

Sending a probe is one thing.

Moon landings were done on set.

all i'm saying is that if this were viable and did work as described, then how come of the 9 months since the reveal have we not see a single example/demo of it working?

Sony doesn't have the knowledge or the resources to invest in cloud computing because they arent a technology corp. They just don't invest in that types of stuff. That's why they had to go out and buy gaikai and teaming up with rackspace. MS r&d is 10 times the size of theirs and they spend more on investing in this stuff than what sony as a company is worth.

I would like to see evolving maps randomized weapon drops through small updates when you log in to a game or background loading.

I did some 3d modeling/rendering contracts in the past; online server farms is where it's at for the past 5+ years. A 24 hour job locally can become 30 minutes with render farms (depends on how much server you want to use/pay). Pretty much all mid-range animation studios use it, larger ones can afford local render farms.

Online farms are no different from cloud computing. If larger processing can be cached into the cloud then it's value downloaded and stored locally so it will be available when it's in ready to be executed, I really see cloud computing no different on how animation studios has been doing business for the past years.

Render real-time graphics, maybe not without ridiculous internet speed. Pre-execute calculations for the next scene/ next city block over/ army swarm AIs, etc; definitely possible IMO.

Evidently there's a lot he doesn't know. He's not an engineer, or a PS4 architect. He's a spokesman. I don't expect Major Nelson or any other Microsoft frontmen to understand the crap they babble about. Forza uses cloud processing and it shows. How does Forza do it?

Everyone say what the cloud can't do and keep saying the internet is too slow. They even say Latency will prevent it from doing things. While I get not everyone one has FIBER or seriously fast internet there are those of us who do. The Internet is actually the GREATEST INVENTION since Electricity. It has single handedly destroyed may OLD formats and businesses. It has crippled the Postal Service, Messenger Services, DVD Rental companies, Music Companies, Department Stores, News Paper Publications. I can go on and on. Yet you sit there and act as though the cloud is not significant to do something as simple as enhancing your gaming experience. I am old enough to know for a fact that the Pipeline which is the internet is not as ancient and slow as people want it to be when it comes to cloud processing. Not everything is instant and not everything is slow 2400 Baud either. While you sit and down play the evolution of the cloud you should educate yourself beyond youtube, google searches and random slightly informed gamers and tech advocates and really research. The Cloud is real and there are some advancements in it that are well beyond just downloading and uploading. Just think about this. 14 years ago (The time in which many gamers went from crawling to graduating high school) it was difficult to imagine a home without a home phone or using the internet connection as your Main Home phone as in VOIP. Yet today it is a reality and not only are we hitting Jetsons (Cartoon Pun) technology with Live Face to Face Phone Calls we are moving further along in the era where your home can be monitored over the internet, your heat and electric can be activated through smart technology. How about watching a full HD movie STREAMED to your home that was just at the theater?? So it is inevitable to see even faster intricate things happening on your Internet connection. The Cloud is real and only someone who is incapable of really seeing the future will deny it. The Blue Pill is waiting for you!

Now that Jim Ryan is gone just need to remove Herman Hulst from his position! And maybe give Shuhei the position he deserved.

This gen hasn't been the best for games, last gen consoles are still out there and now there's been talk of the PS6 and Xbox Two for a year or so. Many games this gen will be ported to next gen and the cycle will continue. The re-release of the Neo Geo AES+, games on cartridge for £70 ($95), gaming is going back in time. Gaming has gone pricing mad with the high cost of games, consoles and controllers. The men and women at the top are clueless.

It’s always interesting to hear behind-the-scenes stories like this, especially involving veterans like Shuhei Yoshida and leadership figures like Jim Ryan. That said, there are usually multiple sides to decisions at that level. It could be less about not “listening” and more about differences in long-term vision for PlayStation. Yoshida played a huge role in shaping the brand, so whatever the reason, his impact is undeniable.

If true, and I'm inclined to believe it is, it goes to show that Sony lost their way when they became more western/didn't respect the PlayStation origin story. Andrew House and Jack Tretton did great work, but they also didn't try to fundamentally change the PlayStation DNA. Ryan oversaw the death of Japan Studio and a live service direction.

I already figured this, good lord imagine if Shuhei took over instead, would've been a platinum era 😩

I miss the first three generations of PlayStation. The way they turned PS3 around, we knew they meant business. We were all worried for a bit there around launch. Eventually from 2008 they started shifting slowly. But since Yoshida was fired, it's never been the same. Still enjoy my PS5 daily. I got a backlog dating back to PS2 lol So I'm fine but new games aren't as appealing anymore.

It seems like we were thrown on to the worst timeline possible where everything is too expensive and the wrong people were put in positions that makes the world a shitty place. We could have had Shu as the head of PS but we got the shitty alternative. Same goes for everyone in power around the world. Doesn’t matter the company or country the majority of us got the shitty picks and the world is declining like never before. I do think PS can come out of this because of their studios, talent and IP but they need someone more in touch with gamers leading things like Shu was. They’re still the best place for console gaming imo but it could be much better than it is especially without the massive live service failures. The rest of the world I have a lot less hope for right now. Hopefully the pendulum swings back towards the good ole days but I’m preparing for the worst.

There goes illuminati distraction story

So now there's certifiable proof that Ryan was in fact "fired", as opposed to when it was first announced that he "retired", in order to save face.

There's another guy who recently "retired" as CEO of another large gaming company, after doing a dismantling job as lead for well over a decade.

seems legit, the business man, fires the one who has ideas to move the business forward.

Jim Ryan is the reason why we are entering year 6 since the PS5 launch and many of us don't feel like the PS5 has gotten started as yet.

I hope going forward, we will see a return to form.