There is no waiting with the disk version of a game. The game runs off the disk but installs in parallel during the first run. After that it runs from HDD. You won't need to wait. It's nothing like PS3. You wouldn't even notice it installs - until you run out of HDD space.

It differs from online, where you have to download a certain amount of the game.

Ted would use Lukas Japdolbrewski....

@ dantesparda

After about 12 games maybe. But I don't think I'll be playing 12 major titles at the same time, back to back.

@ EPiCDiNGO thats not the point. it doesnt matter if i can switch out the HDD in 2.5 secs. If im going to pay for a new system, 2 games, ps plus, warrenty, a extra controller, maybe the cam for the total exp of the ps4...You expect a bigger HDD.. I guess sony just wants us to drop a cool 9 bills for a complete game exp that will last us a solid of 7 years of gaming.. SMH dont even get me started on the no mp3 music on the ps4.. lol

@Caddy

Or, you could do what you do on the PC, the X1, the 360, the Wii U, or the PS3, and just delete the installation files of games you don't play anymore.

From the looks of things, once the initial "cache" of the game is installed, you can start playing while the rest of it installs. It's not like now where you have to wait forever for it to install.

Unrelated to your post:

I do hope Sony offers the option in the future to auto-delete games which haven't been booted in a while. I'll likely be getting a larger hard disc though when the prices and sizes go up more.

I agree as well but for some reason I get the feeling last gen and this one, many still don't know game data and save data are 2 different things, that you can save one without affecting the other

@Caddylss

500GB does seem kind of small when games are so big, but at least with the PS4 you have options to upgrade the hdd unlike the xboxone.

Being a PC gamer I have all my games installed on my hdd, and I prefer it that way. I am going to upgrade to the largest hdd that I can.

You can't be mad about having options.

"You expect a bigger HDD"...why? $399...you'd expect more than 500Gigs...maybe your expectation is wrong here.

Cache on the fly is a lot better than waiting for a mandatory install.

From what was reported yesterday from RGN, the X1 requires a mandatory install for their games. If this turns out to be true I would much rather buy a game, put the disc in the console and go right to gaming over waiting for it to fully install before I can play it.

again, its the same thing as the ps3's installs.
sure its mandatory with ps4 but its pretty much the same thing. not really news. stop recycling the same news that the ps3 already does and make it sound like its exclusive to ps4.

KZ Shadowfall is 45gb required HDD space. That's a huge didference from the 5mb that KZ3 required. Its obviously a sign of how huge the game may be but hopefully GG can minimize that load as they work more with the PS4.

Im sorry but you fanboys are being stupid here. You's all know damn well that this is an issue, especially with all the free Plus games coming. The PS4's HDD is like 408Gb's after formatting and the system takes it reserves and with games being between 30-50GBs, its going to get filled up quick. I dont want to have to manage storage (at least not so quickly). I want to be able to have many games on it, not just a dozen. This is fanboyism gone bad. This is worst than a PS3 with a 320GB HDD, cuz at least on that you can put way more games on it than you can on the PS4's larger HDD, Im getting 3 (maybe 4) games and then there is Resogun, Contrast and all the the F2P games. There goes half the HDD right off the rip. And its only just begun

there should be 1 reason and 1 reason only that people are planning to upgrade their PS4's HDD is because PS+!

@aCasusalGamer

Not sure if you are genuinely mad or just trolling.. BUT ill give you the benefit of the doubt.

Try downloading anything off the internet from ANY server that is more then 1gb in size and see how long it takes. Then compare that to 30-50gb size games. I would probably never want to buy a digital copy this gen unless its lower than 10gb in size and its an arcade or psn only title. The time in which you can downloand and play is almost SOLELY based off your OWN connection speeds. Mark was just giving a ruff estimate. There is nothing deceitful in what Sony has done or claimed. In fact you can already do it on the ps3 its the SAMETHING!!! there are no smoke and mirrors like what MS does so please dont compare Sony to MS its pretty disrespectful.

@outsidethebox

When did i mention my internet speed?

I simply said that saying "you only need to download a fraction of the download and start playing" is a bit misleading when you take into account what he said in this article, that it'll take minimum of an hour to start playing.

AN hour is alot. It's stupid beyond belief to even mention "you only have to download.... before you can play" when in reality it'll take an hour. It was said in a way that made it seem it was being able to give players instant game downloads.

And you need reading comprehension not me. I never said anything about internet speed. I personally have pretty good internet speeds on my wireless router.

Excuse me...maybe you should respect physical boundaries and not accuse people of lying. It is physically impossible to "stream" 50GB of data in a way that you can start playing immediately. This quite a technical challenge and calling Sony liars is disrespectful. Some data simply must be available for a game to function (random access) and are simply not suited for "streaming" over the internet. Some games can be partitioned into levels and this can be loaded ahead and is the minimum of data the game needs to function. Over time this will hopefully be streamlined and optimized, but today, this size is ~7GB to begin with.

@hitman

Why would you think i'm trolling? Is it because it's against Sony? Dude, lay off with the fanboy shit. I don't follow brands, in fact i've been a PS owner since i started gaming, i haven't bought an xbox. I've played many times on it but have never bought one.

Yes, i do believe it's deceitful to say it in a way that makes people think it will be fast to play downloadable games... but i don't thin an hour is fast. He probably should have mentioned that on the PS Meeting so people don't get confused later, like myself.

Yes, i believe it is deceitful. I really enjoyed and got excited during the PS Meeting. It was one of the features i was mostly looking forward to... you know since the PS4 is supposed to "simple, immediate... etc".

There was some magic after that meeting about the PS4 and how the user experience would be like. It's gone now. I don't feel a sense of excitement for the PS4 UI or the user experience. I only expect it to be like PS3, which is sad considering this is a new generation and i wanted something new. This goes hand in hand with my disappointment over the lack of "immediate" download and play from PSN store. But hey, if i'm the only one with balls enough to talk about it then so be it.

@ju

Listen, i'm not too familiar with the technical requirements for games to work, but i figured they would stream the first part of the game until the download was at a point where it could start playing from the HDD. But what can i say, it isn't the reality we'll see come 15th november. I guess i really did expect something "impossible" to be possible with a next generation console. Call it too high expectations if you want but it seemed like that was the least to expect during the meeting conference.

I'll never make that mistake ever again when it comes to Sony.

edit: And don't say i'm not understanding the physics of how large games are and how slow downloads really are... just watch Sonys trailer of the user interface and you tell me if that took a minimum of an hour or a couple of seconds(took him about 30 seconds to be exact) for the guy to download and start playing the multiplayer portion of Killzone Shadow Fall...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

That's the magic i'm speaking of... the true PS4 user experience... not the "an hour to download and start playing" experience.

@ Casual

After reading your last two posts it seems you are confusing what this all is.

1) There is the installations that work when you buy a physical disc from a retailer. You put it in start it and it installs. The game can take probably 1-5minutes before you can play it while its still installing. It probably will be the same for xbox.

http://n4g.com/news/1391724...

This article for reference its not an hour if you bought the game from the store.

2) The hour Mark was talking about is when you start downloading the game from the PSN store as a digital game. That time is MUCH longer because the data rate is solely based off your connection. Data transfer speed of the internet is not as fast as a physical disc.

I hope that clears things up for you. If you still have problems then idk what to say to you or what you expect... and I would have to conclude you are really trolling or dumb.

I honestly don't know what you expected. How long do you think it takes to download games digitally on the PS3? Now consider the fact that games now are 10x that size. That fact that you can start playing within an hour, is amazing. By the point, you will have only downloaded something like 4% of the total game.

First off...

***"And you need reading comprehension not me. I never said anything about internet speed"***

Huh? Why'd you say this then?

***"Since when is an hour a fraction of the download time?"***

The amount of ***TIME*** it takes for you to download something depends on your internet speed, no?

The hour Cerny gave was an estimate based off what he thinks the average gamer's internet connection speed is. The faster your internet the less time you have to wait which is why I brought up internet speed. Your issue is the amount of time you have to wait, isn't? So if you want to decrease the time you have to wait then you have to increase the speed of your internet. That is why I made the suggestion...

***"It was said in a way that made it seem it was being able to give players instant game downloads."***

I'm sorry you got that impression, but that just isn't possible right now. Instant game downloads? How would that be possible without fast internet connection speed? Also note that he said "ideally you ***WOULDN'T*** have to wait more than an hour" So it's possible for you to have a waiting time of less than an hour... it isn't the minimum, but in actuality the average. So if your connection is indeed faster than average like you claimed then you'd be done well before an hour has passed assuming Cerny's estimate is accurate. So you're good to go and should have no worries...

Its a case by case basis with some of these games. also keep in mind that not all games will have this feature, and i suspect that open world games wont while more linear games will support this feature.

in reference to your complaint, what was said at the PS4 conference in feb, where a gamer can buy a game from the PS store Download a fraction of the game and play while the rest downloads, is not a lie, o far whats been documented out there so far is that most games in linear progression is able to execute and start playing after the user has downloaded 7gb of the digital title. Killzone Shadow Fall is confirmed as the first to have that small a requirement...

Now the caveat here, is how fast your connection is, It took me 6 hours to download Hitman Absolution on my connection and that was a 17gb game on PS3 from the PSN store... by comparison, Remember Me took me 1 hour and that game totaled in at 6.5gb.

You simply cant expect to beable to play a digital game immediately after you start a download, its far more technical. Cerny stating that it may take an hour for gamers is as rough as he can get. he's got no way give a precise response because Download speed is all based on the quality of your ISP's network and how much bandwidth they are willing to give you without capping and throttling you.

I think you should temper your expectations, In our current connected lives, ALL digital is still in its infancy and just not feasible, The world itself still isn't 100% on broadband, internet connections in first world countries are variables at best! You're ok with going physical!

"That's the magic i'm speaking of... the true PS4 user experience... not the "an hour to download and start playing" experience." aCasualGamer

There's reality and then there's fantasy, what you want isn't in the realm of reality and has been explained to you a lot over the course of this post. I'm a bit late but I still thought I'd say this anyway. It's like getting angry at a TV show for showing someone traveling from America to Japan in 10 minutes!

It's a commercial to show off what the PS4 can do, time elapses will occur to show off what the system can do. So when he started the multiplayer download in the store then went back to Knack you have to assume SOME time went by before he could actually play it.

"That depends in large part on a user's Internet connection speed. Ideally, he said, they wouldn't have to wait more than an hour before beginning to play the partially downloaded games. Other games may be set up differently, allowing users to start playing them sooner or requiring them to wait longer".

If this is a problem for you then buy the disc based game and play with in minutes.

EDIT: By the way , nowhere does he say minimum an hour.

Maybe you're not trolling, but you certainly are bitching about nothing.

Read it. Again. Whether it's physical or digital, you can play the game while it downloads/installs. Meaning you don't really have to wait forever to start playing.

Furthermore, a 1 hour download for the file size you're acquiring is damn good. Obviously, it's gonna depend on your internet connection, but grabbing 30+GB in an hour or so is impressive no matter how you slice it.

And you even twist your own words around:

"you download a fraction of the data and begin playing"

"Since when is an hour a fraction of the download time?"

You're pissed at Sony because your reading comprehension skills are lacking. Again, you may not be trolling, but if you calm your happy ass down and take the time to process the words in front of your eyes, you'd have your answers, and far less pointless anger.

You guys are hilarious! How the hell is it "disrespectful" to call out Sony on comments that were clearly meant to deceive?? You act as if Sony is your mother and someone just called her fat. LoL!

You guys need to understand that Sony lies, Microsoft Lies, and even your Mother lies. Heck, I just saw a great youtube video which clearly showed Obama lie 20+ times about us being able to keep our healthcare plans... period. Yet Just this last week 15 million Americans had their insurance canceled because for example my policy didn't have maternity and prenatal care. WTF"??

I respect the office but not the man. And he's a liar. Just like Sony in this instance. :)

@outsidethebox @rocky @hicken and others...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

This is a video from a year back demonstrating how fast the downloads is through Gaikai... which Sony bought. It takes a couple of seconds before this man has booted up FIFA 12 from download.

I was expecting something like this because it was demonstrated to work in this trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

In conjunction with what Mark Cerny said about downloads only taking a fraction of what they used to take.

NOW... you can call me out and say "Hey, you had too much expectations, and that's not possible"

BUT! It's not like my argument was based on air. I actually made references to my claims by both Mark Cerny and Sony's marketing team.

So why are you attacking me for being mad at Sony for bringing me something less than what was advertised? I'm not attacking a brand nor am i a fanboy, but you guys act like i am.

I'm just trying to understand why "a fraction of the download" means "an hour" in general terms.

YES! I do understand that downloading 50GB of data takes ALOT of time. My internet speed is really good, i donwload 5GB in less than 50 minutes. My point isn't "hey if you have faster speeds you can download faster" DUH! My point is that they advertised it differently.

Now we can argue back and forth over this but that doesn't take anything away from my argument that THEY ADVERTISED IT THEMSELVES!!!! It was in their commercial, their conference speech and some unconfirmed gaikai tech demo video.... SOOOO, it's only natural to think that that's what the PS4 will be like.

Not enough... okey... here is another part from the PS Meeting explaining how Gaikai can make "Instant play" work for downloadable games on PS Store(ala the PS4 trailer i linked earlier).

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Starts at 2:30 into the video.

Please don't start saying "hey it's download speed that matters and nothing else". I UNDERSTAND that download speed is vital. But an hour and what they were advertising earlier, there is a difference there.

Call it high expectations or not, but you can't argue the fact that they did market it differently.

Perhaps acasual is likening the download and play side to how you purchase a digital movie. There is a certain amount of data that is buffered before the movie plays but it usually starts playing within a couple of minutes.

i know a game can be much larger than a movie but the concept is still the same. so it should only take a couple of minutes to buffer a portion of the game data to allow the player to actually begin their game.

The player plays while the game continues to install/buffer.

What acasual seems rather vocal about is the percentage of the game data requirement will be roughly 7gb (as an example) for certain games and much smaller for others. Its that 7gb buffer having to fill up (install) before the game can even be started.

He isnt that far off base. Digital game should be like on demand instead of having to wait an hour (just for example) to begin play. obviously a physical game will let you start playing within minutes of putting the disc in. If they can refine their digital process to be 10 minutes from start of download to the game start process then we are talking.

i believe that IS what gaikai is touting as the future delivery system for PS digital games but it isnt ready.....yet.

Wow aCas, I guess no one here can see past there "Sony defense mechanisms. I understand what you are saying, ALL tech aside they did make it seem that it would be so much faster. They advertised it wrong, I don't know what else to call that but a lie. They made it seem like it’s would be this "super amazing NEW thing" and it is not. now everyone else is here calling you out when that is 100% true. It came off to me the same way, with the alien fast RAM and duel reading whatever’s, I thought it was about to do some amazing "NEW" stuff. Not the same old but a little better stuff. That’s how it’s been on this site since the announcement. The PS4 is just so far advanced for so cheap MS has no chance. All that from a company hanging by a thread. A little too good to be true? I don’t know but I do know that’s why they are so quick to discount your legitimate concern. Imagine if this was a MS problem, I don’t think they would be so understanding, and you’re not even a fanboy and they turn on you so fast.