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DDR4 Memory Will Be Released By Next Month

HardwarePal : It seems that DDR4 isn’t as far away as we thought . According to Crucial Memory’s promo page it’s going to come out late 2013. There is just one month left till the years end. So that being said, we are going to have DDR4 in our PC’s hopefully by next month.

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decrypt4557d ago

Which means GDDR 6 probably isnt far away either.

sorane4557d ago (Edited 4557d ago )

Uhh gddr5 has been mainstream for years. My old backup pc from 5+ years ago has gddr5....

edit: nice post edit :)

decrypt4557d ago (Edited 4557d ago )

GDDR5 is a modified form of DDR3 and is nothing new in the industry its a 5 year old standard.

With the coming of DDR4, GDDR6 can be fully expected.

Just because Sony launches PS4 with GDDR5 doesnt mean its anything new. Infact its probably on its way out. Funny Sony is using tech in their next console which is ment to last 10 years that is on its way out lol.

XB1_PS44557d ago (Edited 4557d ago )

There are no such things as ddr5 ram cards for pcs. Gddr5 is only used in Graphics cards right now.

B-radical4557d ago

Yes ddr4 will be a lot better also when gddr6 comes with gpu'a expect great gaming!

Magicite4557d ago

DDR3 is best RAM(not VRAM) we have atm, so how can it suck?

Computersaysno4557d ago

So you're saying Xbox One's CPU, GPU and now RAM are outdated just as the machine launches?

Kleptic4556d ago (Edited 4556d ago )

the cpu of the xbox one and PS4 is not 'outdated'...its just a low TDP, low IPC, 8 core processor...technology wise; an 8 core cpu and relatively powerful gpu crammed onto one chip...is very state of the art...its just the cpu is not designed to be a high power/high output processor...

on the other hand...you could argue the gpus and memory of the two consoles are a little dated..as both gpus are based off of somewhat dated mid range cards...but 'somewhat dated' in PC terms refers to 2012...so they're still miles better than current consoles...

what this article doesn't really talk about is chip support...not only will you need a main board that supports ddr4...but also a cpu with the proper memory controller (at least AMD wise, there are some differences between how Intel and AMD use memory)...so even if ddr4 is available soon, its no where close to being used heavily for applications...and i think it'll be a while before cpu's are fast enough to really take advantage of it...

even a nearly $900 extreme edition I7 haswell is no where close to a memory bottleneck with ddr3...at least to my understanding...

Gamer19824556d ago

More proof (if we needed it) why PCs are better as this RAM adds a massive boost and the price will be the same as DDR3 (maybe not so much at launch but within a few months).

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Kennytaur4557d ago

You can't expect Sony to use technology still in development in their system though can you? PS3 will last ten years and it's memory is laughable by today's standard.

pixelsword4556d ago (Edited 4556d ago )

I must have missed the part where all PCs will instantly have 16 gigs of DDR4 the second it comes out.

...sorry to bust your bubble, but most people who game on PCs don't even have GDDR5 in their graphic cards; we just load the game, and lower the standards until the framerate is steady until we can afford to get our next upgrade.

Just look at the prices for these video cards, and they don't have more than 8 gigs of GDDR5:

1,000 bucks:
http://www.amazon.com/nVidi...

over 3,000 bucks:
http://www.newegg.com/Produ...

4,000 bucks at 6 gigs of GDDR5 ram:
http://www.staples.com/offi...

Heck, one of the closest things I found in terms of price for a card was the Quadro K2000, and that ain't a gaming card

http://www.staples.com/offi...

That's also why PCs are losing to smartphones for games; because most who would otherwise game on PCs don't get games that are optimized; the game devs for PCs just raise the requirements, eventually shutting out would-be gamers.

hennessey864556d ago

lol pixelsword they are no gaming cards, PCs have two sets of ram, system and video

Computersaysno4556d ago (Edited 4556d ago )

What you babbling on about pixelsword?

PS4 has 8gb 5500mhz memory on a 256bit bus. Thats 176Gb/s TOTAL, with apparently about 20GB/s reserved for the CPU, making 156Gb/s for the GPU.

It has 5Gb free for games (512mb paging).

So realistically, most games might use about 3Gb for video memory for quite a while, tops.

A midrange Radeon 7950 has 3Gb GDDR5, on a 384 bit bus with 240GB/s memory bandwidth, DEDICATED just for graphics. Most people with a decent PC also have in fairness 4Gb system RAM, minimum. Most people I know have 6Gb+

Most people who game on PC have GDDR5 cards. Anyone with a reasonable expectation of gaming seriously on their PC owns a machine at least as powerful as PS4 ALREADY.

In a year from now A very large amount of PC gamers will boast machines far faster than PS4, probably because PS4 isn't massively fast by 2013 PC standards

Kennytaur4556d ago

@Pixelsword, I'm not even sure how that is a reply to me... I don't have GDDR5 in my GPU so you're not even close to bursting my bubble, whatever that meant. But you have confused me, and I'll assume you meant to reply to someone else.

Kleptic4556d ago (Edited 4556d ago )

pixelsword, i'm not really sure what that has to do with anything...no intelligent PC gamer would buy any of those cards just for gaming...unless they're going for 5 screen 4k+ resolutions...

The absolute most demanding PC games right now are pretty much Crysis 3 and Battlefield 4...in terms of 1080/60fps gaming...Neither of those even approach 3gigs of video ram use...

BF4 for example uses around 2 gigs of my card's ddr5 on ultra settings at 1080...with an average of around 65fps...in multiplayer, i use around 2.5 gigs of my 2133mhz ddr3 system memory for BF4 specifically, with other windows 8 processes and utilities taking around 700 more megs...

Crysis 3 (from what i've read, i don't own it) uses less system memory, but a little more video memory...but at 1080, completely maxed out, its still well under 3gb of video ram...

3gb of video, and 8gb of system ram is nearly overkill for any current game at 1080...but increasing resolutions will quickly start to eat that up...

so just pointing out...a ~$300 video card will max out nearly any game at 1080...with memory to spare...what you listed is development cards for pre-rendering stuff...those are the types of situations that require tons of ram...but playing any modern PC game at 'normal' Full HD resolutions...doesn't require any where close to that...

Gamer19824556d ago

@pixelsword LOL PCs don't need more than 2GB GDDR5. The only reason the consoles need 8gb is it runs the OS off that RAM as well as the games. A PC offsets that on your system RAM. Most PC users has 8GB RAM for the system so you get 2GB DEDICATED to the game. in consoles you pretty much never get that as OS and game are sharing the GDDR5 (DDR3 in Xbones case). Only an idiot would think a card needs 8 gb DDR5. Also as for most PC gamers dont have GDDR5? Cards for PCs have been coming with GDDR5 for many years now. So most PC gamers have GDDR5.

pixelsword4553d ago (Edited 4553d ago )

"The absolute most demanding PC games right now are pretty much Crysis 3 and Battlefield 4...in terms of 1080/60fps gaming...Neither of those even approach 3gigs of video ram use..."

That's the thing: if demanding means a good game that's 1080/60fps then the PS4 and to a lesser extent the Xbone has that covered; so what's the difference if it's "older" tech in regards to DDR4, especially since it'll take a few years for it to become mainstream?

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Mr Tretton4557d ago

So what's better to get? DDR4 or GDDR6?

sorane4557d ago

ddr4 for cpu gddr6 for gpu when they're released.

MidnytRain4557d ago

I thought they were for two different components...

B-radical4557d ago

Gddr5 is what comes with your gpu. Ddr4 will come on it's own.

wishingW3L4557d ago

you can't buy GDDR memory. It only comes integrated with whatever card you buy that supports it.

Mr Tretton4557d ago

@wishingW3L, thanks for clarifying.

Somebody4556d ago

That's a pretty standard answer but might the PS4 have an effect on future PC design? AMD has a potential game changer with a GDDR5 only system for the PS4 so it's possible that they might have a similar design for its PC line of hardware- released only if they still couldn't knock off Nvidia even after that next gen exclusivity.

Kleptic4556d ago

^the PS4 is doing something with memory very different than most types of computer electronics...

DDR5 has bandwidth and speed benefits over ddr3...but it was designed for specific types of calculations (i.e. it was designed for rendering)...its extremely fast at specific things, but it also has higher latency figures than that of ddr3...

in that regard...an operating system needs to be designed around those latency figures...something relatively easy for a basic OS on a video game console...but MUCH more difficult for a full desktop PC...Windows would be unbearable if ddr5 was used as system memory...as ddr5 is terrible at low priority 'background' types of base line instructions...all the little things windows is constantly doing in the background would perform with much less efficiency...

that in itself is the biggest difference between a modern cpu and a modern gpu...cpu's are very 'smart', they can multi-task like no other...and use memory specs that support doing lots of different things at once...the drawback is that they don't perform one single thing extremely quickly...a gpu is the exact opposite...they can't multi-task at all...but they do very specific calculations at jaw dropping speeds...and, also, have memory specs that support that too...

so, for PC at least, with massively complex operating systems...will always need system memory designed around that...and same for gpus...as they get faster and faster at specific things, they'll need memory specs for that too...separating the two will remain common for a long time...

CheexInk4556d ago

@Somebody

The system ram and then integrated video RAM isn't something that is going to change unless there's a much more significant change in hardware first. The reason it's like that in consoles is because they're using an AMD APU rather than a separate processor and video card like PCs use.

AMD will be launching consumer desktop APUs soon so it's possible within a year or two that the hardware landscape could be changing but it's definitely not something you should bank on.

Kleptic4556d ago (Edited 4556d ago )

^yep...discrete cards will utilize their own main board and own memory allocated directly onto that...that is the only way to make a discrete card 'universal' with different mother boards...

but...if AMD continues at the rate they're currently moving with APU's...discrete board popularity could drastically decline even in the PC market...

AMD already figured out how to get a 7800 series gpu on the same chip as an 8 core cpu for both of the new consoles (the pS4 using a 7870 roughly, the xbox one using a 7850 or there about)...both of those are still mid range gpus in the discrete card sense (both still offered as discrete cards, too)...The only 'higher end' gpus AMD currently offers are the Tahiti and Hawaii cores...

Kaveri, an upcoming desktop APU family, is supposedly going to use a cpu of 'steamroller' cores (the number of which hasn't been confirmed yet)...and a Tahiti based gpu for the top of the family...Tahiti is what is in the 7950 (an underclocked version with lower memory bandwidth) the 7970 (the 'full' performance version, of which was rebranded to the R9 280x) and the 7990 (AMD's most powerful current offering, using 2 Tahiti gpus)...

If that happens...there will be an APU that can max out nearly any current PC game at 1080...an cpu/gpu combo for whats rumored to be around $200 that smokes nearly any current mid range gpu...which can go all the way up to about $300...

so if that trend continues...discrete gpus will not disappear completely, especially for the highest of high end gaming PCs...but it'll completely destroy all the offerings underneath that through price alone...in just a few years time...

at the same time, though, this will radically change what kind of system ram an APU based desktop PC needs...Tahiti gpu's are built around ddr5 entirely...i'm guessing AMD will release a series of ddr5 based system ram to go along with Kaveri in early 2014...but can't know for sure just yet...

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GraveLord4557d ago

It's a PC, you would need both unless you're using an APU.

Magicite4557d ago

those are 2 totally different things...
ddr4 is system memory
gddr6 is video memory

Gamer19824556d ago

GDDR6 doesnt exist right now but when it does it will be a child of DDR4 but a more clever child lol. But only when games come to mind. Its like DDR clocked for gaming if that makes more sense?

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Malphite4557d ago

I won't be upgrading just yet. I'll wait about a year or so and then get a new Motherboard + new RAM and maybe a new graphics card with GDDR6.

hellvaguy4557d ago

Dont even bother doing that upgrade unless your also getting a 4k monitor. Wud be wasted.

pandehz4557d ago (Edited 4557d ago )

Peoplezz pls dont confuse the two.

DDR AND GDDR are different. Not completely different but GDDR offloads graphics work from DDR and also a few other differences. PC's need both basically. For now atleast.

Reason for two different is to have them function differently for different tasks. Graphics intensive tasks use GDDR(games etc) most other things uses DDR.PC's use this to split between os use, os apps, games etc. MS might be right about one thing, PS4 may run too hot or run into issues with having a whole set of GDDR(only memory constantly in use) instead of any ddr/gddr combo.

DD3(for cpu because of cache etc) and GDDR5(for GPU only) is today's standard.

PC will soon adapt the next DDR4 and GDDR6.

The_Truth_24_74557d ago

A new MB must be purchased also. FAIL!

SkullBlade1694557d ago

By your logic, it's a fail that you can't run PS4 games on a PS3...

ColinZeal4557d ago

How is this a fail? This is how a PC works... The only fail here is YOU.

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Do you Need this Ultra Fast DDR4-4600MHz RAM by Corsair and G.Skill?

Previously, the speed of DDR4-4600MHz was only achievable under extreme overclocking with liquid nitrogen cooling

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addy73147d ago

i don't think im gonna buy that lol

Eidolon3145d ago

$500 a kit... It's crazy what people will pay. I understand for professional work, but for gaming and other stuff, it's a total waste.

Neonridr3147d ago

well I am assuming that not all motherboards will support that high speed, so you might need a new one to take advantage. Personally I find the gains going above 3000Mhz to be minimal at best. Especially for the added cost.

tee_bag2423146d ago (Edited 3146d ago )

3600mhz seems to be the tapering off point from what I've seen. From 2666 to 3600 there's as much as 10-15%(game dependent) with a 7700k and a 1080ti.
Don't forget you can also over RAM by a fair bit. I have 3600 overclocked to 4000 - all I had to do was choose the XMP profile and up the DRAM voltage to 1.38.

Neonridr3146d ago

yeah, that's fair enough. I need to get some higher clocked ram as I believe mine is only like 2666 with the XMP profile on.

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