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Xbox One: Why the Hate?

Karam Elahi from SpawnFirst writes: "Yup. It’s getting a bit out of hand. The Xbox One and Microsoft bashing is hitting an all-time high. Gifs like the one below (definitely influenced by the recent news of the MS exclusive Titanfall rumored to also be running at 720p) are becoming the norm, paralleling the news these days."

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black0o4630d ago

it's all on M$
1st they abandon the x360 like 3 years agO
2nd a very disappointing revel ''Tv..etc''
3rd they invested more into a camera a F#%$ camera which lead to xbone to get low spec

and the PR team at M$ is kinda a joke and they tend to get things worst most of the time

zeal0us4630d ago (Edited 4630d ago )

MS is a multi-billion dollar corporation I highly doubt the Kinect lead to the Xbox One getting lower specs. Not to mention it only takes 10% of system resources. If MS wanted to build a stronger system they definitely had the funds to do it. Why they didn't is a good of a question as any.
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Why the hate?
- $499(higher in other countries)
- Kinect being force on users who more than like will leave it unplug/not use it.
- System is weaker than its main competitor
- To get the "full experience" XBLG is required
- Certain features that are free competing consoles are not free on XB1
- Lower resolution on popular titles
- Bad PR since May conference
- MS-NSA privacy scare

black0o4630d ago

u get it wrong, u see the kinect cost more 40% of the manufacturing cost which leads to price tag .. if u take kincet out of the PIC, x1 'd sell around 299-350$ which 'd given M$ more room to throw better GPU or CPU OR better/bigger RAM

but M$ went with weaker GPU/ram to keep the cost at minimum so they can add the kincet

bobsmith4630d ago

-doesnt come with rechargable controller or battery pack you have to buy it seperatley $25
-bigger than ps4 cant stand it vertically
-old headsets don't work on it ps4 does
-old racing wheels wont work ps4 does
-no free games with gold thats old 360 games theyre not gona give xbone games
-non removeable hard drive

Eonjay4630d ago (Edited 4630d ago )

The decision to enforce Kinect really puzzles me. The technology is interesting but it hasn't proven itself as a innovation despite being out for years. Was the failure of the original KInect a result of the camera not being powerful enough? Really? I don't think so.

When you look at the games that employ it its "fullest" potential, you wind up with horrible garbage like Fighter Within (we all shudder at the thought of anyone paying cash for this Frankenstein of a monstrosity). Therefore it is a gimmick.

There is 0% chance that it will defining gaming. Gamer's don't want to be transported into a game, they want the game to come to them. After all, life isn't an impression of a game, its the other way around. Now Microsoft has to ride this bad decision and somehow convince people that its WORTH paying more for a weaker product.

aceitman4630d ago

we should ask ms the same question y all the hate towards gamers , but then it backlashed and they weren't selling systems and then they did the 180's.
gamers made xbox grow and then ms left them in the dirt the last 3years .

PoSTedUP4630d ago

people arent just hating the X1, they are also hating MS. everyone should have to learn the hard way and it looks like MS are in the process of doing just that. for such huge mistakes they need to do a lot more to make up for it than what they seem to be doing. also get rid of their highly douchy and unlikable PR team that seems to just throw gasoline onto a burning xbox one. all they do is lie or spin, they really just need to stfu. as if MS havent been acting like a joke enough, they litterally just make it worse. MS went from a wolf in sheeps clothing to a wolf in a wolfs clothing and they have no one to blame but themselves.

this is just my speculation on other people, my hate doesnt count bc i always hated them and would never buy an xbox. there is a lot of hate comming from xbox gamers themselves, all it takes is one wrong turn to get completely lost.

Pintheshadows4630d ago

I'd give them more leeway if it weren't for the Windows 8 picture viewer.

Honestly though, I think the reasons are quite obvious at this point but when all is said and done, X1 owners will love their console and PS4 owners will love theirs.

And on both sides fanboys will still ruin perfectly legitimate discussions about both of them.

PoSTedUP4630d ago (Edited 4630d ago )

yeah i did state the obvious... its gonna be hard to find legitimate discussions involving MS when all of the hate from the community is so widespread. very few people want to have legitimate discussions, they just want to hate, but also MS is constantly giving people reasons to. there was one small time where good things started to happen for them but was followed by a wave of more negitive things... now its just a norm to hate on them. ps fanboys always have, but this is bigger than just the fanboys, this is a good percentage of the industry.

rainslacker4630d ago (Edited 4630d ago )

I don't hate the X1. There are games on it I would like to play, and it seems like a decent enough machine overall with some good features.

But, MS had dredged up a lot of the old reasons why I've always disliked them. I have never really hated them before, and now I am angry at them for what they tried to do to the gamers in their own interest. I'm old enough to remember when MS was a hated company among most people, way before the internet was really even a thing. 180's or not, they made their ambitions clear as day to me and many others, and it isn't something that I care to support. MS is persistent, and they will try to achieve their goals in some way or another.

I have no problem with companies wanting to make the most money possible, but not when you have to screw over the consumer to do it.

MizTv4630d ago (Edited 4630d ago )

They lost me with the whole rrod fiasco
I just can't trust them

Deltaohio4630d ago

The kinect has absolutely nothing to do with why the X1 is as "weak" as it is. The only reason why Sony has a substantial leg up is because of the GDDR5 RAM. Which no one should forget that although Sony was going for a "primarily gaming" platform they were also going to only have 4 GB of RAM. they could only get 8 GB at the eleventh hour. MS chose DDR 3 cuz they wanted 8 GB. Since the beginning (before 8 GB of GDDR 5 was available) they put DDR 3 into their plans. They couldn't just change from DDR 3 to GDDR 5 without a major over haul.

Biggest4630d ago

What you just said makes absolutely NO sense. None.

Deltaohio4629d ago

@biggest

Then I'll make it simple. When MS drew up the X1 they wanted 8 GB of ram. Well the only chunks of 8 GB of ram available was DDR3. So they chose DDR 3 early on. They had no choice of GDDR 5 at that time.

Sony wanted 4 GB of GDDR 5 when they planed the PS4. It wasn't until late last year that they were able to get 8 GB. why? Cuz no one made it yet. Sony got lucky.

solar4630d ago

because Sony does no wrong. ever.

rainslacker4630d ago

Of course they do things wrong. I'm a Sony fan and can admit that. However, the good things they do far outweigh the bad.

Pogmathoin4630d ago

When you use $ constantly people glance over your comment as nothing more than a fanboy rant.... But its allowed here...

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Majin-vegeta4630d ago

Too expensive for weak hardware.

DigitalRaptor4630d ago (Edited 4630d ago )

It's more like "Microsoft: Why the hate?". But that would be a stupid and naive question to ask, since it's nothing short of staring us in the face, and has been for years.

- 95% of the free features are hidden behind the Gold paywall regardless of if you were going to already pay for online or not.
- The Kinect is not optional to your console purchase, and it ensured that the console is noticeably underpowered and more expensive, by $100.
- The years upon years of planning anti-consumer measures to control your the way you purchased and owned your games.
- The lack of concern for global acumen.
- The dashboard was designed with advertisements in mind, and Microsoft execs plan to use the Kinect as a goldmine for advertising, despite the fact that you will be a paying subscriber to their service. They make money off you buying their games, they make money off you paying for XBL, but it's not enough without shoving NUads at you (even though you're a premium subscriber), to make money at your expense.
- No real showing of the cloud they keep going on about. Dedicated servers look to be the extent of it all.
- DRM is still in the console when it ships, and they've admitted to wanting to bring it back to fulfil their original vision.
- The MS execs are purposely lying and obfuscating the truth as a PR/marketing tactic and hoping its consumers are gullible enough to latch on to it. They're even trying to get discerning, hardcore gamers to believe their condescending bulls**t.
- Microsoft are more concerned about "broad entertainment play" than gaming, so much so, that they designed their console around that rather than gaming.

It's all Microsoft - but people will point the finger at anyone but the company they are loyal to support.

MRMagoo1234630d ago (Edited 4630d ago )

http://www.memecenter.com/f... thats all i have to say on the matter of "journos" changing their tune about the power differences, when at the same time even on this day there is probably an article telling ppl to get a 360 version of something because it has an extra rock in it and 4p more lol

Pintheshadows4630d ago

We have put up with a whole generation of comparisons for multiplatform games which were always decided by the tiniest inconsequential difference. Be it sub HD on one hand or slightly better textures on the other these tiny differences made...a difference.

Now these things are far more significant (I expected 1080p last gen what with my 1080p TV and all) and the gap in quality is far wider, it no longer matters.

I don't know whaat to think at the moment. It makes me a bit depressed but at least people are beginning to say 'wait a minute, why doesn't this matter anymore? It did for the last 7 or 8 years.'

rapidturtle4630d ago

Forcing Kinect on the consumer is a big reason. I still see it as nothing more than a gimic. Then charge $100 more than Sony, and have a less powerful system? That's shooting yourself right in the foot. Goodbye Xbox, hello PS4 !!!!!!

solar4630d ago

i thought you console gamers only care about gameplay? what does a less powerful system have to do with gameplay?

Minecraft has sold almost 10 million copies and it looks worse then DOOM.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai72d ago (Edited 72d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio71d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing71d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9271d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit71d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing71d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9271d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay73d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn274d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers74d ago (Edited 74d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn273d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown73d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos74d ago (Edited 74d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay73d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay73d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac73d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger74d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300074d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde74d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood73d ago (Edited 73d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde73d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7575d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_72d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.