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Video Shows Xbox One Startup Setup Screen, a Glimpse on the UI, Endless Connection Loop

A new video has surfaced showing an Xbox Unit stuck in an endless connection loop and rebooting a couple times.

What's more relevant is that thanks to the reboots it shows the startup setup screen (where you select language and location) and a glimpse on the ui.

The connection loop should not be taken as a hint of a widespread problem, as it could be caused by a wide variety of external elements independent from the unit itself. On the other hand, if you don't wanna wait for all the loading, the post also includes screenshots of the most relevant UI elements.

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Gazondaily4604d ago

This is kind of similar to what I experienced at Gamescom.

Whilst we were doing an interview with Yannick Boucher from Crytek, the X1 failed and it took them a while to sort the problem out. It appeared that they were trying to synch two X1's together for co-op play.

They did say it was all work in progress yadda yadda but yeah.

Abriael4604d ago

Yeah it seems that's what it is. The nearby console also pauses waiting for the other player.

Nothing I'd consider a widespread problem though. The UI glimpses are more interesting, for what I'm concerned.

pixelsword4604d ago

It is interesting, but I also wanna know why MS are not addressing theoe issues publicly.

It seems that the xbone has a few skeletons in it's closet.

badboy7764604d ago (Edited 4604d ago )

I got 99 Problems and a Xbox One!

nnotdead4604d ago

@pixelsword

i would guess that the X1 is still a work in progress, and will be for the next few years. Just like the PS3 and 360 had many changes to their OS, so will the PS4 and X1. MS believes that the issues they may be having now can be worked out before launch or shortly after.

NewMonday4604d ago

@Abriael

according to multiple sources that keep increasing it IS a widespread problem, and according to them it could take months to fix

pixelsword4604d ago

nnotdead:

True.

Nowadays patching is the natural way of things, and since electronics are becoming more complex, patching will become more and more common. I have no problem with that as a matter of cause.

I don't have to tell you how Warhawk or Socom: Confrontation was a buggy mess before it was patched (or maybe I do if you've never played them.)

I just want to know how much patching will have to be done on either console, and how much space will it take on the drive.

The way I see it, the patch is usually bigger when it has to fix more mistakes, and in the age of 30+ gig installs, I don't want to have to replace or supplement a drive unless I have to, especially after I drop 400-500 dollars on a console.

By at least addressing a patch that may or may not be implemeted, MS will be calming down a lot of people who may be concerned about getting a console that will be full of bugs that may or may not get patched "if enough people complain about it" like the whole "always on/DRM" fiasco.

That would be cool of MS if they just confirm what is actually going on. Having a guy say that their turn would be over if used the guide button at a demonstration pretty much adds a lot of fuel to the fire about having a incomplete OS.

Nobody's perfect, but instead of hiding or pointing a finger at someone else, just saying "hey, it's not perfect, and we know it, and we'll fix it... we got your back Xbone fans" will restore a lot of consumer confidence. Sony didn't lose any consumer confidence when they talked about a patch, and I don't think MS will lose any either.

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nukeitall4604d ago (Edited 4604d ago )

Well, what do you expect?

MS and Sony are all running pre-final software and most likely months old code, because nobody has time to update these demo machines. The OS loaded onto it is likely just a small portion of it to run mainly the game and probably lacks all sorts of things independent.

What is more interresting is, if supposed "journalists" keep focusing on the wrongs, console manufacturers and video game developers will start clamping down on what they say, and will most likely only give you PR lines.

Stop focusing on these things and do get some real news. Like those guys at Eurogamer has been posting quality articles for a while now. Dualshockers on the other hand is very much a hit seeking site.

malokevi4604d ago

I expect nothing short of perfection, otherwise I'll make a big stink all over the internet, cancel my console preorders, jump into a bottomless chasm.

Seriously, though, really no need to get all hot and bothered over this. Plenty of videos have surfaced of both consoles encountering issues at some point. These things happen. Launch units will be hunky-dory.

VENOMACR12274604d ago

It's not a surprise. I'm sure Sony has had some system issues. Just that everyone is looking to bury the X1 so any dirt that surfaces instantly makes news. As long as it all works on Day 1, that's all that matters.

jgrigs094604d ago

@venomacr yes Sony had their own issues. But both systems are going to have issues, they aren't using final builds

Kemistri4604d ago

You know what, I'm not entirely surprised of the OS issues.

Sony's system experienced a few hiccups and I was completely expecting the XB1 to have some issues.

The reason why is that the XB1 is a much more ambitious setup. Only really in the sense that it runs 3 OS's in parallel does it not? Which I personally think is overkill...

I remember thinking to myself the first time I heard that there would be 3 layers of different OS's... "good god, there's too much room for errors I bet it'll be unstable at first" - App layer, Game Layer and Hypervisor Layer.

Contrast this to a much more streamliner OS on Sony's offering which is essentially a custom FreeBSD system (at its core). Mind you, it has amazing memory management and will still have ALL of the features a gamer could want. A much better route in my opinion.

I'm sure Microsoft will iron out all the issues, at least the major show stopping ones before launch and I'm sure the majority of these have already been address with their massive Day One patch.

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showtimefolks4604d ago

here is hoping both consoles, have a smooth launch and gamers can enjoy their systems/games peacefully without any worries about system crashes

hello124604d ago (Edited 4604d ago )

I'm genuinely sick of all the negative press on the web. I wish Microsoft and Sony would just be up front and tell us what the real story is with the consoles.

There is a rumor on the web from a gaming Journalist. That gaming journalists were forced to sign NDA’s and not talk about the PS4 oveheating problems.

What rumours are true and which ones are fake?

Abriael4604d ago (Edited 4604d ago )

Food for thought: from 0 to 10, how much credibility do you give to someone that allegedly signs an NDA and then babbles?

Personally, I sign NDAs all the time (not about this), and when I do, I don't utter a word. I don't drop "hints" or "teases".

Someone that allegedly signs NDAs and then breaks them, whether explocitly or by dropping "hints" (which is even worse, as it just increases the chance for misinterpretation) isn't what I'd consider a reliable source for anything.

All those CBOATs, Famousmortimers and the like really need to learn a few lessons on ethics.

JokesOnYou4604d ago

lol but thats just it you are believing rumors. I mean its 100% assured both will h a ve launch day problems and beyond but **most likely* nothing broken to the point where you wont get to enjoy the games. Any rumor suggesting otherwise is just inuendo and fabrication to take advantage of this as if its unheard of in this day and age with ANY electronics.

jgrigs094604d ago

Wait wouldn't their be jail time in that?

stuna14604d ago

So you're saying that if something is being kept a secret from you that could be potentially damaging to you physically, mentally, or financially that those who sign a NDA shouldn't have a moral responsibility to inform you!? Because if you think they don't then you have no Idea what "Ethics" are all about.

Now Abriael I ask your apology if I come off sounding arguementive or condescending that truly is not my intent! But I say this, because business law is at the moment one of my majors.

cyguration4604d ago

Signing NDAs to protect those Dorito and Mountain Dew benefits... Yeah I feel you.

Abriael4604d ago

@stuna1: The concept is simple. If you aren't able/willing to keep something confidential, you don't sign an NDA, and you give up the benefits that signing that NDA gives you.

Otherwise, you go by what you signed.

People sign NDAs to receive benefits from the information they're given. They don't do it for sport.

If they go and break those NDAs, then they already marred their credibility. if their signature is worth nothing for them, why should their word be worth anything?

PoSTedUP4604d ago

abriel, you answered your question. you said you dont drop "hints" or "teases", as in You dont, but as someone who signs an NDA like yourself, you Know more, hence you are already put more credible than others. im not sayin ppl wont make stuff up, bc everyone is different, but some are for the people, some just want to cause commotion; some tell the truth for many different reasons as well as abuse their power. just want you to understand that there is a very good reason why people take these guys word over others, they are credible but it varies. on a scale from one to 10 "they" (depending on the person) fall anywhere from 1 and 10. while We are pretty much a 0/10. this is actually not simple, but very complex. it has to do with the psycology of the individual, his motive, ethics, business, the source, all the other evidence that backs up his claim etc. just because he signs an NDA and spills the beans doesnt make one not credible, who and how one looks at it makes all the difference. one can argue that he is already being dishonest so 0 credibility, but just for the simple fact that he already knows more proves that he does have some credibility (keep in mind it depends on the person). or one can argue what Stuna is saying that some people who sign an NDA are "for the people". there are many circumstances and different situations.

to elaborate on this video, this does back up what a lot of people are saying about the OS not functioning properly. well have to wait and see bc i doubt MS will speak on it which they already dodged the question (slightly more evidence to back up these rumors, if that). thats all im gonna say.

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grassyknoll4604d ago

It's hilarious that you hate rumours, then contribute to the forum by creating a false one.

falviousuk4604d ago

All the negative xbox rumours are TRUE, and all the negative PS4 rumours are FALSE.

That should cover you for N4G

Xsilver4604d ago

http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-co... awww you poor thing i got ya shhshh there there sliva's got ya now

christocolus4604d ago

@falviousk

dude.......lmao.

boeso4604d ago

D-E-N-I-A-L

Denial, in ordinary English usage, is asserting that a statement or allegation is not true.[1] The same word, and also abnegation, is used for a psychological defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence. (Wiki)

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Death4604d ago

Here's the thing. If Microsoft or Sony come forward to address one rumor, the internet explodes and the statement is twisted to the point it needs addressed again. It creates nothing but headaches that never go away. As for some of the features people want to see to prove they work, many of these things are under NDA and will be revealed closer to launch. One of the reasons for this is some media outlets do get exclusives for this information.

Abrial is absolutely correct. If this information is protected with an NDA, how much can you trust fron these "inside" sources that do not actually have access to the information? If they are indeed breaking NDA, they are not credible sources in the first place. It's unlikely anyone that ignores their NDA are around long enough to actually have inside information.

falviousuk4604d ago

The problem is that there is a new rumour popping up everyday, i think these companies have more to contend with that debunking every crackpot rumour that these kiddies make up.

The best bet is to just get on with their respective launches, only a few weeks away, and then people will be playing the games that they want to play while the fanboys will still be here going on about the stupidest issues. They arent gamers, they just want to piss about.

Ju4604d ago

"closer to launch"...how much is closer to launch? We are 3 and 4 weeks from release...how much closer are we getting?

Bigpappy4604d ago (Edited 4604d ago )

What smart business person would pay someone to search the internet to try and answer every rumor, knowing that that there would be now way possible to keep up. There are just way more M$ haters than there are employees. Plus when they do give a response to any of them, you have the Sony crowd jumping in to call them liars and taking what they say and spinning it to another rumor.

The best way to deal with rumors is to do what they are doing with the hands on events, setup Kiosk, and release good working consoles on the scheduled date.

Oh, didn't realize falviousuk covered this so well already. What he said is spot on.

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Xsilver4604d ago (Edited 4604d ago )

That dude looks so depressed :( he just got up like screw this sh@t.

MasterCornholio4604d ago

Looks like an issue with the OS.

Hmm maybe CBOATs comments does have some truth to them.

I hope it isn't a widespread issue because it would suck if thousands of Xbox fans get stuck with a dead console.

Nexus 7 2013

falviousuk4604d ago (Edited 4604d ago )

yet strangely enough the other gaming sessions are working nicely on that very same event.

You or I dont know what is wrong with that particular game, it could be setup wrong, cabling issue or a number of other issues, but yes you go with the faulty OS one as it suits your agenda

Abriael4604d ago

You, sir, get a "well said" bubble.

MasterCornholio4604d ago

Well it isn't running the latest system software so maybe some bad code caused it to go into a loop. Anyways if you weren't blind you would see that both systems had issues because they were running on unfinalized software. Seriously I only mentioned CBOAT because his rumors are about issues with the operating system and I thought that what happened to the system were bugs in the OS.

Anyways once the two consoles are out we can put the hardware and software under a microscope and see what's wrong with this.

Jeez everyone is so paranoid in N4G lately.

Nexus 7 2013

jackanderson19854604d ago

Shit happens. The PS4 had an overheating issue and a response issue at TGS. They're demo consoles they're going to break

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Final Fantasy X 25th Anniversary Website Launches With New Nomura Artwork and Merchandise

Square Enix launches Final Fantasy X 25th anniversary site, revealing new Nomura art, books, music releases, and merchandise.

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-Foxtrot39d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle38d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7738d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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Star Wars: Bounty Hunter Let Jango Fett Loose

LucasArts gave Jango Fett his own game in 2002, and it pulled Star Wars into a much dirtier, rougher, and more interesting corner of the galaxy.

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Relientk7743d ago

I remember playing this back in the day on PS2. What a sick game!

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We started with a simple idea. Games should bring people together through shared experiences. That led to the first Xbox in 2001, Xbox Live in 2002, and new ways to connect, from friends lists and achievements to parties and play across devices. Today, Xbox reaches over 500 million players around the world, with some of the most important franchises in entertainment.

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Outside_ofthe_Box44d ago (Edited 44d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster300044d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv7244d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit43d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania44d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit43d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot0743d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr44d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box44d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr43d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit43d ago (Edited 43d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire9544d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv7244d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit43d ago (Edited 43d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

--Onilink--44d ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box43d ago (Edited 43d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv7243d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket43d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm43d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde43d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster9243d ago (Edited 43d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_44d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted44d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania44d ago (Edited 44d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit43d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster9243d ago (Edited 43d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT44d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers44d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz14944d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot0743d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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