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Xbox Live Compute: The Difference Engine

Not too long ago, Sony and Microsoft laid bare the engines of their eighth generation consoles. CPU clock speeds and DDR3 Ram numbers were bandied about, GHz were brought to bear, teraflops flaunted salaciously.

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Stsonic4642d ago (Edited 4642d ago )

The Power Of The Cloud will rain down on all the competition, frying circuit boards As they try to keep up with the Power.

You may try to fight, you may try to hide. But you will never stop The P.O.T.C

Deadpoolio4642d ago

I hope your not serious..Since da cloud is limited by da powa of da internet that people have so it's not going to play a huge part on either system considering the large number of people with trash internet.....

Or the fact that da cloud has NO power over da graffix since Azure is not designed to work with the GPU...It will help with matchmaking and MAYBE game A.I, that's about it other than storage for gold members

buynit4642d ago

You are like a broken record deadpoolio...

I don't have trash internet, no cap and its cable... So what do you have to say to ppl like me and a lot others with great internet?

Can you come up with anything else other then the world isn't Ready?

ImG2theB4642d ago

I feel like I've heard this somewhere

Godmars2904642d ago

The Power of "Da Cloud" just brings back always online argument, in spades.

DragonKnight4642d ago

Indeed. Xbox One fanboys won't see that though, or they'll dismiss it. Adam Orth syndrome is strong in them.

Redgehammer4642d ago

I am always online. Always. My Xbox runs for days at a time, depending on if I sleep or not; so. I don't see a problem with any game using the cloud if my Internet goes down that is not MSs fault. Are all you complainers on dialup? The cloud is not the penicillin of video games, it's not a paradigm shift. However it's not magic, nor make believe. It is a nebulous service, that will have tangible effects on the games we play. I fail to understand not being able to see past the limits of ones imagination. Dedicated servers for free is pretty impressive, and should not be discounted. 2cents complete.

Godmars2904642d ago (Edited 4642d ago )

@Redgehammer:
And that's the blindspot for Xbox fans: they want and expect the console to only dominate, to become a #1 product among general consumers, but only only think of themselves.

If Cloud dependency becomes a thing, that brings back questions with people who have poor or no internet access. Like the military.

"Dedicated servers for free is pretty impressive, and should not be discounted."

What are you smoking?!

You pay for XBL to get those dedicated servers. You pay for PS+ to get them on PS4!

You owe us two cents.

Edit@DragonKinght:
Wait. So the Xbox 360 never had games which had dedicated servers but the PS3 has some which did?

Though all I really know is that where something like ChromeHounds is no longer playable - I'm guessing - I can still play Warhawk, which still seem well populated but is deadly to anyone rusty like myself.

DragonKnight4642d ago

Oh I see, so because you're always online that equals everyone is as well right? It also completely negates the lack of proper infrastructure and ignores the problem of latency. But no, no, you're online all the time so it's perfectly ok right? Yeah, I'm sure everyone is going to see it your way.

Also, why are Xbox One fanboys acting like dedicated servers is a new thing? Where was this excitement for dedicated servers with the Xbox 360? Oh wait... there were none... PS3 had them. Well don't I look foolish.

DragonKnight4642d ago

@Godmars290: Unless 3rd party publishers supplied dedicated servers themselves, Live on 360 is a P2P network, so no dedicated servers for first party games unless someone has an example of a game that does.

PSN however had several games with dedicated servers. Warhawk was one such game, Demon's Souls as well (though that was a 3rd party game, it was published by Sony and I believe Sony provided the dedicated servers for the game in Japan and Europe while Atlus did so for NA).

So I find it funny that people think the PS4 is suddenly going to be P2P and they gush over Live finally having dedicated servers like it's some kind of new tech and innovative.

Redgehammer4642d ago

Godmars, They're free to the developers. I know I pay for XBL., but when I used to play TF2 on the PC the best servers were ones that wanted you to pay to join. PSN will be charging to play online, and has Sony announced free dedicated servers to all developers there? I live in the US, and everyone I know has broadband, always on. I didn't see cloud dependency mentioned, augmentation seems more apropos. If a Game is great sans the cloud, but offers even more with the cloud, how is the disconnected person being screwed, because great is great. As long as all customers are being catered to, then what's the problem.

I am speaking from the point of view of all of my 40 year old+ gamer friends, that are also always connected., and my own view of course. Gears of War 3 has dedicated servers. You dismiss the cost Microsoft is swallowing by allowing every developer access to free dedicated servers. Every game could potentially be dedicated, and is that a bad thing.?

""We are giving this resource away to them for free, so there is a huge incentive to utilise it on Xbox One as much as possible."

"But I do think that will be advantages to the smaller game shops that had previously been spooked about getting into the server development because of the financial obstacle or the development obstacle there. That was one of the big intents, to take this barrier to entry of server development away and let these developers really explore what they could do with the cloud without having to worry about allocating financial resources or server developers to the problem."

Again how is that a bad thing?

Godmars2904642d ago

@Ragehammer:
The "big thing" is that the servers aren't free. That's why Sony's charging for online multiplayer: to support the dedicated server network for PS4.

Really, that's been the big complaint about XBL on the 360: that people were paying to access XBL network for things like multiplayer and Netflix, when in reality the multiplayer was P2P and Netflix was it's own separate service. That XBL was primarily superficial surface which MS only made money from.

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ThatCanadianGuy5144642d ago

And for today's forecast -

Cloudy, with a high chance of bullshit.
Back to you, phil.

DragonKnight4642d ago

*sigh* This again? That's it, every time I see a "cloud power" article the only appropriate response I'll be able to have is this...

http://www.epicgifs.net/ima...

Blaze9294642d ago (Edited 4642d ago )

then why do you keep clicking on them, taking the time out to think of a comment, type the comment, then take the time out to hit add comment?

DragonKnight4642d ago

That's a good point. Now that I've posted the appropriate response for all future articles of this subject, I have no need to any further. Too bad people will actually believe this PR nonsense though. Ah well.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai63d ago (Edited 63d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio62d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing62d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9262d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit62d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing62d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9262d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay64d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn265d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers65d ago (Edited 65d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn264d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown65d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos65d ago (Edited 65d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay64d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay64d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac64d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger65d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300065d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde65d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood65d ago (Edited 65d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde64d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7566d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_64d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.