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The Third Console Curse Continues With Xbox One

It's no secret that Microsoft faced many hiccups and serious backlash from gamers when the Xbox One was revealed with its strict DRM policies and mandatory Kinect, that still ships with the console itself. After E3 and Sony's presentation which focused on the basic things that have already been present in the previous consoles, forced Microsoft's hand and they redacted their vision of an online-only world and reversed their strict DRM policies which included once a day online check which after authenticating online will let players play games on the Xbox One. Without the authentication, the console could only be used as an entertainment hub to watch movies, TV shows etc.

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chrissx4649d ago

I'll get xboxone when they release a kinectless bundle

gedden74649d ago

Unfortunately that will never happen...

GalacticEmpire4649d ago

I don't think they'll have a choice if PS4 dominates as much as it looks like it will.

MightyNoX4649d ago

Won't you have an egg on your face when it DOES happen.

-sigh smh-

pyramidshead4649d ago

If is doesn't sell as expected or is seen to be trailing such&such number behind its competitors then it could be quite the possibility.

buynit4649d ago

I don't think its unfortunate

mewhy324649d ago

PS4 is already dominating the pre order scene. Sony looks to take the lion's share of the gaming market this gen and it appears they're on track to do so.

Magicite4648d ago

But You can always do another 180, always...

nukeitall4648d ago (Edited 4648d ago )

I hope MS never releases a Kinectless bundle as to at least give Kinect a fair shot at getting it's potential explored.

Don't want Kinect, go PS4!

@pyrmaidshead & mewhy32:

The fact of the matter is, only hardcore and niche gamers pre-order. You really have to wait until people get it in their home and word of mouth spreads, and marketing to inform the mainstream consumer.

If MS is hugely successful at widening their market, they will outsell everybody just like the original Wii did.

The Wii had such a successful word of mouth marketing that Nintendo completely cut all marketing for the console for a long long time.

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Gekko364649d ago

@All - I hope you never get one then. I hate the idea of a half arsed Xbox / Kinect approach.

If you don't like Kinect then don't buy one. I love Xbox One & Kinect the way it is. 100% uptake will make a big difference for developers and should make games more fun.

ZHZ904649d ago (Edited 4649d ago )

"@All - I hope you never get one then. I hate the idea of a half arsed Xbox / Kinect approach.

If you don't like Kinect then don't buy one. I love Xbox One & Kinect the way it is."

So that means you like the idea of Anti-Consumer and at the same time you do like the idea of X1 not to sell as high as possible.

OrangePowerz4649d ago

Why? What makes Kinect fun for games? That you can shout at it to do stuff when pressing a button would be a lot faster and more reliable? MS spent huge amounts of money on Kinect and they are just looking for a away to get that money back and force people to buy Kinect. Right now including Kinect is half arsed because MS admited that not even all the features work at launch.

I would like to play Xbone games, but paying extra for something that I will not use is not an option for me.

Insomnia_844649d ago (Edited 4649d ago )

Poor Gekko..... smh.

How can you just believe every single word that corporation says to you without analyzing first their doings and past history?

I'm sure you also think the whole DRM and restrictions was very innovative........smh.

DragonKnight4649d ago

I love this idea Xbox One fans have that just because Kinect is being forced on anyone it automatically means that all or even most will incorporate Kinect features into the game.

Of course, when Microsoft forces them to, that'll be a different story. But don't kid yourselves, Kinect 2 is just as much a gimmick as Kinect 1.

I_am_Batman4648d ago (Edited 4648d ago )

I partly agree with what you said. If MS believe that Kinect is a key factor of the Xbox One experience then it wouldn't be smart to make it optional. However that makes people like me that couldn't care less about motion controlled gaming, skyping while playing or voice control repel from the decision to buy an Xbox one despite being interessted in some of its games.

Microsoft just have to decide if they want to go into direct competition with the PS4 or if they want to go for a new target group.

Most people I know that had a Xbox 360 didn't care about Kinect and therefore are buying a PS4 instead of an Xbox one. MS might need to compensate that by advertising their console to a new target group if they want to stay successful.

Gekko364648d ago

@Insomnia_84 "How can you just believe every single word that corporation says to you without analyzing first their doings and past history?"

Hmmm, let me see... I'm a Microsoft Certified Engineer, Developer and Trainer, as well as the same for IBM and Linux (RedHat/SLES)

I have worked with Microsoft software both end user, development and sys admin since Windows NT4 (Mid Nineties). I know the good, the bad and the downright bastardly from Microsoft (probably more than you!).

I Like Kinect and Xbox, however I don't like Sony, I never have. Here's Why!

PS2 was out but I decided on an Original Xbox. I bought it the day it came out, only to see Sony do a price drop within the first 6 months of Xbox Launch. Those from Sony who bought at the higher price got nothing. Microsoft offered all customers who bought at the higher price free stuff and lots of it.

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Eonjay4649d ago

Is this like the alleged Madden curse?

Saigon4648d ago

No nothing like that. I looked at the third console curse as something completely different. This curse seems to knock the manufacturer of its high horse. More than likely it is there to help the manufacturer to come into perspective to the reality of what is actually going on in the industry. The Madden curse, seem to get whoever was on the cover hurt and cause them to take a while to get back to original form or they never reach that marker again. Only Ray Lewis was the one who recovered completely and for console, it looks like the Sony PS3 was able to recover. After seeing Atari, Sega, Nintendo and Sony go through it; I truly do not wish it on anyone. I wish MS luck this next gen; I will get the system in the future, but not right now.

ghostrider324649d ago

Send the T-1000 back in time to shoot Don Mattrick and whoever discovered Kinect. Problem solved.

CGI-Quality4649d ago (Edited 4649d ago )

"Xbox One is the third console going to be released by Microsoft, who hit a gold mine with their second console, the Xbox 360, which outperformed the third console by Sony, the PlayStation 3, at every turn".

Seems this author is quite misinformed with a statement like that. The PS3 has outsold the 360 AND is a more powerful system. Never mind that, for this curse, you had to have been a leading console a gen or two. The Xbox has always been either a 2nd place or 3rd place console by the time the next generation rolled in.

Goku7814649d ago (Edited 4649d ago )

CGI-Quality is right, numbers don't lie, check the scoreboard if you disagree.

http://www.vgchartz.com/wee...

Fireseed4649d ago (Edited 4649d ago )

Ummm ok so I'm going to put this in as plain speak as humanly possible to you. Whatever you may beleieve, and even with the PS3 selling more globally last generation... ok here it comes... the 360 still sold A LOT of units. Imma give you a moment to reflect and allow your brain to grasp this concept.

Ok, you good? Alright so even if it didn't sell AS MANY it still sold A LOT. See what I'm trying to get at? Alright I'll give you another example and maybe you can starting turning the gears based on the similar elements. The Wii COMPLETELY outsold the PS3... BUUUUUUUT it still sold A LOT. Ya see now? Simple concepts :)

buynit4649d ago

They don't get It!

How about this... Did the ps3 out sell the 360 like ps2 did xBox?!

Sony lost a lot of market share no matter how you spin it..

CGI-Quality4648d ago (Edited 4648d ago )

It really didn't require that much thought, but obviously, something struck a nerve. Here's a fact: Sony lost market-share, and in the same gen, beat the Xbox while doing so (in both units sold and hardware specifications). So, it completely contradicts the statement: "the Xbox 360 outperformed the third console by Sony, the PlayStation 3, at every turn." Besides, nobody argued if the 360 "sold a lot of units" or gained market-share and never mind that those are a fraction of the full picture (which the author got at in the words: "at every turn".

So yes, the 360 DID sell a lot of units and put Microsoft on the map, but the PS3 sold more, is the more powerful system, and thus, couldn't have been outperformed by the 360 at every turn.

Fireseed4648d ago

@CGI-Quality

Well no the point of my comment was that it was a VERY simple concept and didn't require much thought. But yeah the PS3 did sell more units worldwide and on paper was more powerful can't deny those 2 facts. But at the end of the day Microsoft is here to stay because they sure as hell sold enough to make another Xbox a wise decision.

Magicite4648d ago

Xbox has always been behind PlayStation and so it will remain in all ways(quality,games,sales).
Now I understand why MS are positioning X1 as an all-in-1 hub, that's because they cant compete on console front anymore and maybe they were inspired by Wii success.

christocolus4649d ago

i guess i will find out more about this so called curse after getting mine on launch day...but for all we know the xbx one could be the exception and the one to break this curse just as was foretold years ago...lol...xbx one all the way.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai68d ago (Edited 68d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio68d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing68d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9268d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit68d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing68d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9268d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay69d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn270d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers70d ago (Edited 70d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn269d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown70d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos70d ago (Edited 70d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay69d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay69d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac69d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger70d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300070d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde70d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood70d ago (Edited 70d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde69d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7571d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_69d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.