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Microsoft's Penello on why Xbox One's Kinect will overcome its "perception problem"

Panello on the cons of accessories, "The con is, when developers can't rely on it, when they don't know it's there, they're never going to take full advantage of it. So, you get these inconsistent gaming experiences, you get inconsistent implementation, game developers had to choose to take CPU power away from the console to support the skeletons. And what we said was, for those of us that use it - like I don't play Pixar Rush, it's not my kind of game, but I use Kinect all the time for Xbox pause, Xbox play."

allformats4623d ago (Edited 4623d ago )

It's not a perception problem. It's a gimmick problem.

And gimmicks never last.

theWB274623d ago

Gimmick? Is it only a gimmick because Microsoft is the first to finally make this a mandatory thing?

Last I checked....Sony has made improvements to their motion gaming. They've also had it for how many generations now?

Wii sold how many systems with its primary controls being motion?

Original Kinect sold 26 million in a few years.

Seriously I can't understand why it's a gimmick if the big three all invest in the tech. It has to be the Micro hate and the fact they include it with every X1.

GarrusVakarian4623d ago (Edited 4623d ago )

"Seriously I can't understand why it's a gimmick if the big three all invest in the tech."

You have your answer right there, gimmicks sell. Hence why all 3 invest so heavily.

Gazondaily4623d ago

It's not a gimmick.

Many might abhor Microsoft's decision to make the Kinect mandatory but it really is the boldest move they've made.

They've made the difficult decision and are going against the tide of core gamer sentiment for now, but if the Kinect is an integral part of the console experience like MS say it is, and if Kinect really proves its worth (beyond mere motion control gaming) then we are in for a real treat.

It can be a game changer but ONLY if it works. The Kinect Sports Rivals hands-on of mine might reinforce those old perceptions but that shouldn't take away from the potential of Kinect to do the other things well.

I'm cautiously optimistic and that's the most positive you can reasonably be with the Kinect considering its past pedigree.

DARK WITNESS4623d ago

Maybe if MS invested more money into making sure their first party studios actually created hardcore games using it to it's full potential, instead of wasting money on timed DLC, maybe gamers would have a better view of it and 3rd party devs would see more value in trying to make use of it.

If more 3rd party dev's then started to use it in more creative ways gamers would have even less of a reason to view it as a gimmick.

Just because it comes in the box does not guarantee that it's going to be used in some compelling way.

Anyone remember that ps3 had motion control built into the controllers... EVERY CONTROLLER, yet how many devs actually did anything really compelling and useful with it?

this idea that just cos it's in the box it will be used better is bullcrap. it's still not been shown doing anything other then gimmicky voice commands.

MWong4623d ago (Edited 4623d ago )

I think my issue with the "perception" of the Kinect is that it's forced on the consumer. Previously, M$ announced it as being mandatory to use the XBone, fine, I need it. Now it's not, as a consumer I currently have no wants for a motion capture device. Consumers shouldn't be forced to purchase hardware that is not necessary. Then why am I being required to pay extra money for a console with one? The XBone probably only costs $350-$375 and the Kinect $125-$150.

It's not my/the consumers fault that M$ probably spent well over $100M in R&D to improve a device that only 25% of it's installment base wanted in this gen. The cost of the Kinect R&D needs to be recouped so we will probably not see a Kinect-less console anytime soon.

Cueil4623d ago

it's closer to 50/50 on cost of the system...

MWong4623d ago

50/50 no that's way too uneven. You're saying the XBone is $250 & the Kinect is $250.

SuperLupe4623d ago (Edited 4623d ago )

There is no doubt whatsoever that it will ovecome its "perception problem".

Just the fact that everybody that owns a Xbox One will also have Kinect makes it already a mass product to become.

On top of that Kinect 2.0 is hand down more promising and advanced than the first Kinect so people will enjoy the functions it adds.

A gimmick is omething like the PS Move ---> dropped like a dead horse as soon as Sony could. Nobody wanted it, not even Sony but they did it anyway because Ninty and MS were doing it too. There was never a long term plan for it, it was just there for the sake of it.

paul-p19884623d ago

I agree with the PS Move, i kept seeing games use it really well and thought i needed it, so i went and bought it... then only a few decent games came out and now mine just gathers dust...

Boody-Bandit4623d ago (Edited 4623d ago )

"Just the fact that everybody that owns a Xbox One will also have Kinect makes it already a mass product to become."

Just the fact that MS is including it into the box, which raises the price of ownership $100 more than it's competitor, when most of your core audience has next to no interest in it, is going to cost you sales out of the gate. It is one of the reasons I am holding off on getting an X1. Seriously, no fanboy speak here. MS needs to either get behind this peripheral 110% or offer a Kinect-less SKU.

As of now I have not seen ONE game that proves this perp will appeal to anyone but casuals. Most of it's implementation into core games will be something that would be better served with traditional controls and a microphone.

MS either needs to get off the duff and go all in with Kinect or offer multiple skus like they did with the 360 and leave it up to the consumer. If anything I think we have seen what happens when you try to push an unpopular vision off on consumers. That is why MS has rescinded some of those less than popular restrictions / features. They have also made Kinect "non" mandatory now. So how can that be viewed as a positive and where are the games that make the core gamer say, "wow, now that is really cool and original. I am more of a traditional controller gamer BUT I would like to give that game a try." So far I have yet to see one.

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Belking4623d ago

A gimmick that sony is desperate to copy..lol

paul-p19884623d ago

Actually the Eyetoy came out first, so if anyone is copying it would Microsoft...

stuna14623d ago

Just on the assumption of one company copying from another, I've always had the understanding it's not who does it first, it's who does it better! Nintendo has a solid stable of core as well as casual game that uses motion controls, especially after adding motion plus.

Sony has a much smaller stable of games utilizing motion gaming, but it's also a mixed bag of core as well as casual games! Mind you Killzone 3 is a shining example of motion controls being utilized effectively in a core FPS.

Microsoft also has a stable of games using hands free motion controls, the difference is the majority are casual titles, with a few core sprinkled in for good measure, but how many core motion control titles performed as good or better than the competition core titles? None.

ExDexteraDomini4623d ago

If it were a gimmick, it wouldn't work, it wouldn't be useful, and it wouldn't be used by third party developers.

It works, it will be useful and enjoyable in a large number of games, and it is being used by third party devs.

XB1_PS44623d ago

It is a perception problem, it's perceived as a gimmick.. lol

Kuse4623d ago

Just like that Cell technology that PS3 had right? lol

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MrSwankSinatra4623d ago

Why should gamers have to pay premium for this kinect crap if they know they aren't gonna use it.

B-radical4623d ago

im getting x1 at launch and i agree aha since i have to pay for it though i will hook it up

MrSwankSinatra4623d ago (Edited 4623d ago )

If Microsoft quit being stubborn an just made kinectless Xbox one SKU. Guarantee it would make xbox one more enticing to consumers.

SuperLupe4623d ago

Well MS think that they see the potential that you dont. Give them a year and if it doesnt add anything to the Xbox One experience then yes you can call it useless.

I for one dont mind it at all, on the contrary looks pretty slick to me.

RytGear4623d ago

Yeah, that "Fighter Within" demo looked SO slick. /s

biRdy4623d ago

Microsoft is taking a huge gamble here with making the kinect mandatory, this will hurt them for the first few years but will insure every xbone owner has a kinect. This means developers no longer have to worry about making a game for kinect when only about 40% of owners will be able to use it.

Cueil4623d ago

those stupid gimmicky analog sticks turned out to be pretty useful when Sony made them mandatory on every system

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come_bom4623d ago

In all honesty, i think forcing Kinect on every console might cost Microsoft the next gen console war.

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famoussasjohn4623d ago

Forced? It's included without the requirement of it being plugged in. If you want to use Kinect features, obviously it has to be plugged in.

paul-p19884623d ago (Edited 4623d ago )

I agree, there are a large amount of hardcore fans who want nothing to do with Kinect, and historically it is the hardcore who will get the console at launch. If they don't want the Kinect they may just jump ship to Sony/Nintendo to avoid it.

Also, if the hardcore don't buy the console, then their non-hardcore friends may not buy the console as they cannot play with them.

It may not sound like much, and we all know MS are pushing Kinect like crazy, but with a few lost sales at the start because of the inclusion of Kinect could potentially spiral into a large loss of sales in the future.

Obviously this could be applied to every console (Wii U is a current example, not many people own them, so no-one wants to get one as their friends don't have them) and history certainly has a habit of repeating itself...

come_bom4623d ago

I agree. Microsoft losing those hardcore gamers at the beginning of the consoles "life cycle" is not good for present and future sales. It's the hardcore gamers that buy the most games.

One other thing is that a lot of people buy a console to play multi-platform titles like Battlefield or Call of Duty, and they will buy the cheapest console to play those games. Microsoft fails to understand that they sold a lot of consoles last gen simply because they had the cheapest HD console.

gaelic_laoch4623d ago

Kinect needs to overcome its depth perception problem first and actually deliver on what it says it does!

paul-p19884623d ago

Yup, my wife's cousin has one and we played it on his birthday (i'm the only other gamer in the family lol). He has a large, by UK standards, living room but we had to move everything out of the way and had roughly 3-4m square of free space and it still said we needed to move away from the camera....

We played Kinect sports football and i had to jump for it to realise where my legs were....

gaelic_laoch4623d ago

Yeap UK and Ireland are not known for large houses and living rooms. I had to pack up my Kinect as someone was going to get injured!

MWong4623d ago

Yea, you need a new vid. That's 10 minutes long lol.

KonsoruMasuta4623d ago

It's just the same thing looped over and over again. You don't have to watch the whole thing to get the message.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai1d 20h ago (Edited 1d 20h ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio1d 13h ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing1d 11h ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster921d 12h ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit1d 12h ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing1d 12h ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster921d 10h ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

Tanktopmaster921d 10h ago

Let me be clear. This is sarcasm

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay3d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn24d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn23d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown3d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay3d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay3d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac3d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger3d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster30003d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde3d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde3d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent755d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_2d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.