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A deep dive in to Microsoft’s XBox One GPU and on-die memory

More than just a GPU with a cache

This story is the second portion of SemiAccurate’s look at the XBox One’s architecture as presented at the Hot Chips 25 conference

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GarrusVakarian4657d ago ShowReplies(3)
Kayant4657d ago

Don't worry like Frigid's BS came to be BS.... All evidence point to this also being the same.

GodGinrai4657d ago (Edited 4657d ago )

On the contrary..this is based on the info that MS divulged at hotchips. No BS.I did not submit this article to play N4G conjecture games. These are the cold hard facts. They are not saying one is better than the other..they are simply telling you how the X1 works.

I submitted this and the previous one to shut up all the BS that gets thrown around on here which is usually based on rumour and conjecture.wouldnt you agree its better to debate the X1s specs with all the facts?

EDIT:@kayant no worries! but yes, ignore that guy.

Kayant4657d ago

Sorry I was referring to the info Elite24Gamer posts :p.

creatchee4657d ago

@The realness

The problem is that on N4G, nobody wants to know and talk about the One's specs unless:

1. They're seemingly less impressive than the PS4's

2. They have some special technology or advancement that can be called a gimmick or "PR jargon".

falviousuk4657d ago

Sadly and unfortunately you will never stop all the BS rumours, and made up nonsense on here.

P0werVR4656d ago

Yeah, I've never come across on anything about a discreet GPU.

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strigoi8144657d ago

Trust a website that is named semiaccurate

sigh T-T

ThanatosDMC4657d ago

HAHAHAHAH! I just saw that too.

indysurfn4657d ago (Edited 4657d ago )

@strigoi814 Now that was the biggest douchbag statement I have heard in awhile.

YOU SAID: "Trust a website that is named semiaccurate sigh T-T"

Don't you know anything about hardware websites?

1, The name is a PLAY on words, Semi is from the word semicondoctor. Accurate is to show accuracy, the exact opposite of what your implying.

2, 99.9% of misleading marketing is based on insinuating/assumptions, and names.

3, Politicians fool the public by the name they call a policy or even a congressional bill. Ever hear of the patriot acts? Ever hear of the no child left behind bill that left millions behind by CUTTING school funding?

4 you=www.douchbag.com

5 Your comment tells me you are fooled 99.99999% of the time in life and never figure it out. Thats right this is just a conspiracy theory put your head back in the sand osterich!!

corvusmd4657d ago

I do find it funny that he won't trust an established website that it simply reporting facts that were put out there...but I bet any random Sony fanboy that bashes XB1 is to be trusted.

3-4-54657d ago

At least they admit they aren't always right via title and don't try to call themselves " The Truth" and then lie about everything.

Message not the messenger

Supermax4657d ago

Was reading on neogaf last night that the gpu might actually be a duel gpu.

iamnsuperman4657d ago

That would be people dreaming. My understanding is those things are really expensive (unless Microsoft has decided to make a gigantic loss that will never happen; in any console)

Golden_Mud4657d ago

What we know is that most of what comes out of neogaf is the truth so it could be real

P0werVR4656d ago

^ ^ ^

LMAO!

Yeah, sure buddy. There isn't any dGPU...

CRAIG6674657d ago

It's highly unlikely they have a dual GPU on the same die as the CPU.

FrigidDARKNESS4657d ago

Possible, if you go back to the xbox 720 roadmap that was taken down by Microsoft their is a 22nm SoI that has yet to be confirrmed. Could be another APU or GPU.

Metfanant4657d ago

STOP with this crap...PLEASE!

Metfanant4657d ago

please point me to a credible poster on NeoGaf that said anything about a dual gpu??

FrigidDARKNESS4657d ago

Mef you can go and research all this info. You know its out their from the leaked vgleaks diagram to the leaked MS roadmap so quit trying to down play it.

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windblowsagain4657d ago

PS3/360 - 4.4 GIGAPIXEL

WII U - 6 - GIGAPIXEL

XBOX ONE - 13.1 GIGAPIXEL

PS4 - 25.6 GIGAPIXEL

GodGinrai4657d ago (Edited 4657d ago )

lets be honest...do YOU even know what that means? can YOU explain the benefits and weakness of each console without parroting numbers you have seen thrown around on the internet.

All your post shows is that your smart enough to know a higher number means better. But you cannot elaborate in your own words.

EDIT@Kuse. This article is based on MS hotchips presentation, so yes this is coming from MS, mouth. Semi accurate are simply explaining what they saw at the presentation.

creatchee4657d ago

@The realness

"lets be honest...do YOU even know what that means? can YOU explain the benefits and weakness of each console without parroting numbers you have seen thrown around on the internet. "

This times a million.

Seriously, the sheer number of software and hardware engineers on this site is baffling (around 96% at last count). I don't know why Microsoft and Sony didn't just hire the members of N4G to create their new consoles.

And I guarantee they'd make the Sony console better than the Microsoft one.

falviousuk4657d ago

A high number does not always mean better, you need to look at the whole system and how it works together to see what it can do.

In other words both systems will have fantastic games on them.

And all these copy and past trolls should really be thrown out of here.

LordDhampire4657d ago

Not knowing what any of it means : priceless

wellard4656d ago

Okay Dr. Sheldon Cooper, please tell us all what this means? Enlighten us all with your google prowess

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Final Fantasy X 25th Anniversary Website Launches With New Nomura Artwork and Merchandise

Square Enix launches Final Fantasy X 25th anniversary site, revealing new Nomura art, books, music releases, and merchandise.

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-Foxtrot32d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle32d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7732d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay33d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn233d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn233d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown33d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay33d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay33d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac32d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger33d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300033d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde33d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde33d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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Star Wars: Bounty Hunter Let Jango Fett Loose

LucasArts gave Jango Fett his own game in 2002, and it pulled Star Wars into a much dirtier, rougher, and more interesting corner of the galaxy.

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Relientk7737d ago

I remember playing this back in the day on PS2. What a sick game!