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Microsoft discloses details on Xbox One and Kinect chips

Microsoft disclosed details for the main processor and the Kinect image processor in the Xbox One video game console today at a chip design conference.

Those details are critical for the kind of experience that consumers will have with the Xbox One when it launches this fall. The guts inside the box will determine what kind of quality games the consumers will see and whether the machine will be prone to failure, as the Xbox 360 was when it debuted in 2005.

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greenpowerz4658d ago (Edited 4658d ago )

Makes you wonder who's spec NDA was being enforced. MSFT's? or AMD's? Or both?

One of the better articles about this. I'm just glad I now know what I pre ordered LOL

Games is all that matters but I lean audiophile videophile and like to know what I'm getting.

Disagree? LOL

LOL @Neogaf guy says: "Huma(n) After All" http://i.imgur.com/vdsVDpc....

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LordMaim4658d ago (Edited 4658d ago )

@Starbucks_Fan: It means that the Xbox One is at 1.31 TFlops vs 1.84 TFlops for PS4. That overclock really didn't do much for the Xbox.

Edit: Not sure why the disagrees. It's not like it's an opinion, they're facts. Look at the picture for the proof. Prior to the overclock it was running 1.23 TFlops, now they're at 1.31. That's not a massive increase. Microsoft needs to give people the complete picture.

https://semiaccurate.com/as...

iamnsuperman4658d ago (Edited 4658d ago )

It is N4G. You will get a disagree for saying we live on the Earth. Honestly, I have no idea what a TFlops. Is that a big difference. Would anyone realistically notice that difference. Again TFLops are alien to me (and I think to everyone on this site judging by some of the ridiculous things being said in the other article)

FlameBaitGod4658d ago

What is this earth u speak of ?

bromtown4658d ago (Edited 4658d ago )

For anyone that's wondering what a difference of 0.53TFlops means, its a difference of just over 2 PS3's worth of power. Not inconsiderable.

KRUSSIDULL4658d ago

@iamnsuperman

FLOPS FLoating-point Operations Per Second and the T = Tera (Billion)
It is a measurement how powerful a system is (But in reality it's not that accurate)

Below specs does not include CPU FLOPS data.

Xbox 360 Xenos GPU = 0,240 TFLOPS
Playstation 3 RSX GPU = 0,176 TFLOPS

Xbox One = 1,31 TFLOPS
Playstation 4 = 1,84TFLOPS

For further comparison
Nvidia GTX580 (2010 HIGH-END GPU) = 1,58TFLOPS
Nvidia GTX680 (2012 HIGH-END GPU) = 3,09TFLOPS

The GTX680 is almost twice of powerful but doesn't render twice as many FPS (Frames Per Second) but closer to 35% faster than the GTX580.
So the difference between the Xbox and PS4 is not gonna be very significant when we're talking about graphics as it looks right now.

Hope that explains some for you, cheers!

marchinggamer4658d ago

Honestly this whole teraflops comparison is a load of bullshit. Teraflops measures compute performance not graphical power. For example a radeon 7979 has about 1000 more gigaflops than a gtx 680 yet a gtx 680 beats it in most benchmarks

Swiggins4658d ago

Thank you Krussidull, that was very helpful in explaining that to me.

Bubbles for being helpful.

EVILDEAD3604657d ago

Nice post & +bubz @ Krussidull

The FLOP talk is cool pre-launch but post launch it's going to be great to finally have the games in our hands.

Evil

sorane4657d ago

@iamnsuperman

"It is N4G. You will get a disagree for saying we live on the Earth."

So true and so funny :P I'll give ya +bubble for that one :)

iamgoatman4657d ago

@marchinggamer

"For example a radeon 7979 has about 1000 more gigaflops than a gtx 680 yet a gtx 680 beats it in most benchmarks."

No it doesn't. When compared to a 7970Ghz (pretty much all can manage that) it's the other way around.

mistertwoturbo4657d ago

"For example a radeon 7979 has about 1000 more gigaflops than a gtx 680 yet a gtx 680 beats it in most benchmarks"

That's correct if you compare a Radeon to a Geforce, you can't directly compare them to each other because the architectures are different.

But since we're talking about Radeon vs Radeon, 530GFLOPS more is an apples to apples comparison.

ThanatosDMC4657d ago

I disagree with iamnsuperman because you live in Krypton.

DonFreezer4657d ago

Shut your freaking mouth.Name me one graphics card retailer who mentiones teraflops of a grpahics card.Just one. PS fanboys you should realise that if something so big on a gpu isn't even mentioned in shops why the hell does Sony advertise it so much?I haven't seen Nintendo nitpicking specs that the Gamecube had over the first Xbox so they could feel more powerfull.

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SITH4657d ago

BOOM!

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaahaha hah all win!

kewlkat0074657d ago

" For example a radeon 7979 has about 1000 more gigaflops than a gtx 680 yet a gtx 680 beats it in most benchmarks"

Wtf..I got the 7979..sh!t I was lied to.

Bigpappy4657d ago (Edited 4657d ago )

Seems to me a lot of people are misunderstanding band width affect on speed as opposed to clock speed. If clock speeds are similar, RAM with a narrower bandwidth can actually have the bus addressed in parallel. So it all come down to the design. in particular, how the processor accesses the RAM. If they both access the RAM directly form the processor PS4 wins speed. If MS is using the internal 47MB of RAM link a front end bus, it would increase the data and address bandwidth of the DDR3 RAM in a flexible manner, depending on how much is used for address and how much for data cache.

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JunioRS1014658d ago

THUMBS UP IF YOU'RE AS DUMB AS ME! :D

PraxxtorCruel4658d ago

...but how dumb are you? We gotta know your power level!

JunioRS1014658d ago

I tried to go Super Saiyan once and pooped my drawers.

XboxFun4658d ago

Now there's a God level Super Saiyan, so we have to know if this can be achieved by you.

Kayant4658d ago (Edited 4658d ago )

Frigid where are you..... Xbox one uses Jaguar like PS4.
It looks like the leak specs from earlier where true.
More info ---> http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

pyramidshead4658d ago

Let's not tease him too much........maybe. :P

MasterCornholio4658d ago

I remember some people were saying that Microsoft would change the specs by a huge amount in the last few months before release.

I guess they were wrong because the specs barely changed anything.

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M-M4658d ago

I don't know where the disagrees are coming from, Frigid would always go around saying that the Xbox One will have a Kaveri chip. Like EVERYONE said, it doesn't have one. Even Greenpowerz said yesterday "people will be in for a surprise tomorrow", where's that surprise at?

ziggurcat4658d ago

he'll probably start spouting off nonsense along the lines of, "since it's the same, then PS4 definitely doesn't have hUMA or HSA blah blah blah" even though that wouldn't be true.

badz1494657d ago (Edited 4657d ago )

no...it's just that they are now all saying "it's all about the games"

MRMagoo1234657d ago

the surprise is that the xboners after seeing 100% fact that the ps4 is more powerful still deny it, i was surprised i thought they would just go hide back in their caves but it seems the denial is strong and they dont even believe MS' own spec sheet lol.

All we know after this is the ps4 has the same gap on the xbone as we thought it was weeks ago.

n4rc4657d ago

I love this.. I almost can't believe it!

Nobody has EVER said the specs you throw out aren't true.. Yes when you measure one aspect of a component.. the ps4 is ahead in a bunch of them..

Why people argue with you is the other bullshit you include.. Usually something along the lines of xbox sucks and it cant compete blah blah blah...

That is why people ignore you.. You refuse to accept arguments based on effiency or anything else.. Just "look at my .5 tflop! Screw xbox"

Games are what matters... Not a number...

Funny tho... Thats exactly what ps3 owners always said when the roles were reversed.. And i wasnt here bashing ps3 so i dont give a crap what someone else said to you years ago..

MarkusMcNugen4657d ago

@n4rc

Its okay man. Most of the hate these guys come up with they dont even understand themselves. I can guarantee you that 98% of all the people who post GPU specs (i.e. ROPs) or Teraflops have absolutely no idea what they are or how they correlate to the system architecture as a whole. These are just fanboys picking a few small pieces of information and spouting it as the end-all be-all of Xbox One without understanding how it all works.

And yes, in the end, as much as people think PS4 specs are the most important thing. They are not. It will be features and games that sell the systems to the masses.

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vigilante_man4658d ago (Edited 4658d ago )

Read the article but it made little sense. Your link was way more useful so thanks.

Not sure what the true picture is yet for both. We will find out nearer the time. Guess it also matters how the hardware is utilised.

Seems PS4 could of gone the ESRAM route for super fast speeds at certain times but thought the best option with less bottle neck was the unified fast GDDR5.

Microsoft have gone with the small cache system. Both are vastly superior to what we already have. How much cheaper would the XB1 be to make/produce? We know the Kinnect 2 costs almost as much as the XB1. Does this make the XB1 cheaper without the Kinnect 2?

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SkippyPaccino4658d ago

I wonder if lays is making their chips?

Swiggins4658d ago

We all know that Sony uses superior Pringles technology in the PS4.

SkippyPaccino4657d ago

I thought Nintendo used the power of Pringle? The Pringle mascot is a picture of Marios dad? I believe Sony also uses lays but they add onion dip

kneon4657d ago

Yes the pringle technology is far superior. There is much better consistency and few broken chips :)

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio28d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing28d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9228d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit28d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing28d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9228d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay30d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn230d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn230d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown30d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay30d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay30d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac29d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger30d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300030d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde30d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde30d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7531d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_29d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.