If you read the interview he says it's because of community feedback. Does this douche seriously think nobody remembers all the smack-talk from MS to gamers? All the "you can't just flick a switch", "Buy a 360", "it can't be turned off" crap the spewed? Preorder numbers is what frightened them. Gamers spoke with their wallets and gamers know this is the only reason MS did anything.

This is why MS can't gain any traction with the gaming community. They treat gamers as retards and MS zealots just reinforce the view that MS aren't to be trusted. Every stupid thing they do has (many recently joined members and ancient (2006-7) accounts) message spamming following it about how it "doesn't matter" or some other such feeble damage control.

Till MS give gamers the respect they deserve I can't see it getting much better for them.

they've nothing to say it's the simple truth.

"We built a platform for gamers."

No you tried to finish your goal of building a multimedia device for everyone, but gamers (your bread and butter that got the Xbox brand where it is) backlashed and now you're trying to get the gamers back on your side.

That being said the changes M$ made are commendable (most, because they took some things that shouldn't have been affected at all). But on the flip-side everything Sony said is true, you blundered you're reveal and everything but games regarding the XB1. Sony has stuck with their message of being for developers and for gamers, while M$ has backtracked on unfair policies, restrictions for gamers, developers, and forced Kinect on core gamers (the least likely to care) bring the XB1 a $500 price point compared to a $400 PS4.

Again the XB1 has had a turned around, but it should have never happened to begin with.

YES, you can criticise Microsoft for their u turns. Clearly they were out of touch with their customer's needs. So were Sony back when the PS3 launched. But the fact that people criticise Microsoft for listening, and that is what they did, regardless of whether or not poor pre order numbers were a motivating factor, is just silly and childish.

You hated DRM. Fine. You were vocal in how much you despised it.
Microsoft hold their hands up and say, fine, no DRM. You then complain about their u turn?

You complained about the indie policies. Microsoft then worked hard to rectify their publishing policies, made the X1 a dev kit and gave out free devkits. Still complaining?

You wanted a chat headset. You got it. You scoff at this move and say "oh another 180?".

You get a free game of Fifa. People here, in what I have to say is such a desperate and fanboyish manner, play this down. "Oh Microsoft are buying their fan base or its for pre orders only". I mean....this is an unprecedented move on their part. Read the comments by people who mocked this when it was a mere rumour. Should I link the article so you guys can read the comments which got loads of agrees? They said it was just wishful thinking and it wouldn't happen. But it DID happen but instead of having the humility to admit that you were wrong you carry on with your silly tirade.

At this point I just think there's nothing Microsoft could do to silence some of these haters, who, let it be known, have been haters of the Xbox brand for quite some time now.

If you're going to adopt such a conflict approach and be so critical, apply the same standards to Sony too. I hardly hear about the requirement to pay to play online now but prior to the announcement, all I read was how people would never pay to play online.

The difference between Sony's E3 snub and Gamescom is that, inthe former instance, it wasjustified as it was a new announcement tackling a very divisive issue that needed to be clarified and addressed.Yesterday, Sony were just being petty. By all means mention your unflinching focus as a strength. But dont do it in such a childish way. The fact that many users on here defend the statement says more about them than it does about Microsoft and their obvious shortcomings. Phil is absolutely correct here.

@Septic - I think it's more to do with the fact that these policies weren't there in the first place. We had to scream and shout, and finally not buy the system before they even listened. THAT is Microsoft's biggest problem, they waited too long, they should have reversed everything BEFORE E3, but they waited because they thought that they could gloss over it and that people would forget because they showed some games.

It breeds mistrust, you can't blame people from being wary of every move they make.

Sure Microsoft, the lopsided Pre-order numbers on Amazon and other retailers absolutely has nothing to do with it. *Rolls eyes*

Mindless sbillyblindb0ts have in denial since forever. =/

@gaffy

The console isn't even out yet. They fixed the policies before the launch. They didn't wait too long.

What makes me laugh is that you say we as if you're actually someone who would have bought the console. We both know you never planned on it. You may be a consumer, but you're so far into your hatred of a company and love for another that your wallet was never a factor.

I guess their "program" is to react in panic when their stated plans don't go over well.

They can't deny that their message has shifted.

insisting the company's ability to react to feedback was “a strength”.
Yeah, a big strength for Sony.

I find it very interesting that, in terms of PR, the roles have been reversed from the previous paradigm to the current one. It used to be MS that ragged on Sony and Sony replied with a standard response, now it's the other way around. There are of course monumental differences, but it's still interesting.

"It used to be MS that ragged on Sony and Sony replied with a standard response, now it's the other way around."

lol

“We want to pack everything in today and future-proof this as much as possible,” said Kazuo Hirai, the head of Sony’s U.S. game unit, in an interview. “It’s a box made of future technology as opposed to Xbox 1.5, which seems to be a combination of things available today,” added Hirai, president and CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment America."

is that a standard response? it was this arrogance that got sony into trouble early on with the ps3. that was from 2005. but i guess when some members view things that must make m$ look worse 24/7 what do you expect?

Can't find reply on the otehr guy so here:
@Septic You are right only to those who probably aren't even buying one or just hate. Anyways here are some thing you need to keep in mind. M$ is one of those companies that clearly are just about money. The reason why it might seems Xbox 360 was good to its gamers is because of the money coming in. Yes all companies are in it for the money but nothing like M$ and (Apple). I'm not stupid Sony fanboy so don't comeback with bullshit like that. Reason why Xbox One changed even putting complaints aside is also due to the fact of Sony. Sony as the competition made it clear what it had over the Xbox One and listened to complaints from the PS3 days and integrated more than what Xbox One did with their complaints. So far that pre-orders went through the roof and seems PS4 will take over #1 but maybe X1 will be not far behind, we'll see because poor # of launch countries and PS being # in EU and Asia. Yeah people continue to talk trash and sometimes for no real reason but some are true man. Like how they don't respect their consumers that are the ones to thank for becoming who they are now (Xbox team I mean and by that I mean how big the brand is). One half is thanks to the company with their moves and the other half is thanks to the consumers. If you do opposite of what people want from the start and insult them then you lose a lot of trust and have to gain it back. 180 on things that were suppose to be there from Day 1 shows they made mistakes which is ok but not ok when you realise it's only because Sony did want people wanted. If Sony wasn't here or did something bad and didn't have support from people worldwide like they did for PS4 then I'm sorry to say but M$ would have continued to ignore fans and consumers and maybe even continue to say thing like "Well don't like it? Buy our old console. Oh not in your country? Too bad!" Not that they said it like that or at all but it would have gone down that road so when they show their true colors, they have to gain trust back. Also need to stop being so greedy! Company is in top of the world yet they need to get every penny from their consumers still! WTF? Give shit for free! Make stuff less expensive overall (not about console price). You know? Still might get a X1 in a couple years if it goes well and..if I have money :)

"Microsoft Studios boss Phil Spencer accused “certain people” of trying to turn these policy changes into “a bad thing”, insisting the company's ability to react to feedback was “a strength”

My head is dizzy from all that spinning

Great response. Let the X1 exclusive games do the talking....and apparently X1 games are what everybody is talking about.

@septic BRAVO MAN! BRAAAVO!!!

@golding

Don't forget this gem

"The two-way conversation that we have with gamers is critical"

So critical they shut down their facebook and youtube comments.

Sometimes....actions speak louder than words.

@Jokes

I agree. The games should do the talking. MS Execs apparently aren't very good at talking. Even when they do it's condescending. Even when they do, it goes against what they actually do. For the people that love to throw around the term "hypocrisy" on a daily basis, I'm surprised you don't do so for the execs of your beloved console.

Phil Spencer, Boss at Microsoft Studios is on record as saying 'the concept of a digital ecosystem “remains a core philosophy” for the console as it evolves over time.'

That's code for "Our DRM policies will slowly but surely return in hopes that customers won't take notice/won't want to trade up for a different console when they've already invested tons of money in games and accessories for their X-bone"

You will never escape those policies, Microsoft even said the infrastructure of their DRM policies were hard wired, they can easily adjust and go back to some version of those policies anytime they want to. That's capitalism for you, so don't be fooled!

@septic

"You hated DRM. Fine. You were vocal in how much you despised it.
Microsoft hold their hands up and say, fine, no DRM. You then complain about their u turn? "

No. We complained and they still said FU.

"You complained about the indie policies. Microsoft then worked hard to rectify their publishing policies, made the X1 a dev kit and gave out free devkits. Still complaining?

You wanted a chat headset. You got it. You scoff at this move and say "oh another 180?"."

Everything they've done has been in the name of profits and trying to take Sony's thunder away. Not out of good and fair policies or kindness of their heart.

"I hardly hear about the requirement to pay to play online now but prior to the announcement, all I read was how people would never pay to play online."

With Sony it's a choise wether to pay since you ONLY pay for the multiplayer. Everything else is free. Had MS done something similar like EVER I don't think XBLG would've gotten so much hate. Everyone on gold pay only for multiplayer mostly but there are many gamers out there who would quit paying for it if the situation was the same as it is with Sony's end with PS4 and PS+. Netflix is very popular on PS3 and there is a reason why.

It doesn't hurt that Sony offers free games with PS+. I myself have subbed on PS+ for a while now solely cause of the perks it gives me. But hey that's just me.

" By all means mention your unflinching focus as a strength. But dont do it in such a childish way. The fact that many users on here defend the statement says more about them than it does about Microsoft and their obvious shortcomings. Phil is absolutely correct here."

Have you ever heard about Aaron Greenburg? He gets off the hook with x360 fans but House should get ripped a new one? Everything else was perfectly fine by me except the smirk he let out after the reaction of the crowd. He should've restrained himself in not smirking to it. That was the only negative imo. The message itself said with a completely professional face would've been ok.

@xRedline - I would have bought the system if the price was right. I'm not buying it at £429 because the only game I am looking forward to is TitanFall, which I can just play on my 360. Although Ryse does look good, its not going to make me buy the console for it.

What makes me laugh is that you think people who are a little negative on N4G won't buy Xbones. I will buy one, but at the right price and time now. I would NOT have bought one EVER if they had not reversed their policies.

This is the difference, many people here applauded when MS announced game industry-breaking DRM for the Xbone, whereas a few vocal users complained and improved the console FOR EVERYONE. Now people will actually buy the console at some point, some at launch, before it would have failed so badly, that nobody would support the system.

@ Septic

Bubble up for one of the most sensible and reasoned comments I've read on here in ages.

Completely agree with every point you make. MS can do no right in many peoples eyes here on N4Sony.

I'm happy for all the changes they have made and its made me now seriously consider Xbox One. They screwed up but they have made massive strides to try and put that right.

That's just not good enough for some people.

PlayStation and Sony have kept their message consistent. Patents may have come out showing some grim images for games but now that the release date of 11.15.2013 has been revealed I am excited! Nothing but rock solid confidence coming from everyone in the PS4 camp.

It is just sad that there is so much scrutiny happening to the competition over every aspect of their product. But in this crowd it is anyone's game. And this time Sony kept a secret a true secret until the reveal.

In other words corporate espionage was either mislead, or never executed. 11.15.2013.

"xbox one will sell like hotcakes"

thanks, but I'd rather not burn my fingers.

@insomnium2

"Everything they've done has been in the name of profits and trying to take Sony's thunder away. Not out of good and fair policies or kindness of their heart."

If you think anything Sony has done hasn't been in the name of maximizing profits and taking Microsoft's thunder away, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. Neither company is doing anything out of the fairness of their hearts, Sony has just done a better job of getting consumers to understand their approach.

Yes I also smell fear. Fear that comes from all the pathetic xbots who still are claiming that xbox is a true next gen.

Well that's just a silly little thing to say, lil buddy! Any person on this planet who has the resources to invest in any piece of gaming hardware, this generation or next, has nothing to fear... only good times to be had!

Your perspective is laudable.

I think Sony's comment is exactly what is the problem with Sony.

They consistently stick with their plan, and don't react to feedback. Instead, they are proud of it.

However, if you look at their product line. It took them over a year to react to the slow sales of the PS Vita or the overcharging of their memory card.

Remember the PS3? They rode the entire generation with little changes.

The only time Sony got a hit is when they decided to give or lend if you may free games with PS+. Of course everybody loves free access to games.

So what you should take from all this is, MS attempted to make radical changes, didn't forsee the backlash and ended up reacting very nimbly. Whereas Sony is this slow thudding company that hasn't changed much and it's claim to fame is it stuck by it's guns.

Big companies need to stay nimble, and not be afraid of making radical changes. If you don't, others will and you will loose eventually!

I smell fear from Microsoft...

Hence the 180s on almost every policy to match PS4 (CBA with a list) because their preorders were 8:1.

Hence the copying of Sony's marketing slogans ("Made by gamers for gamers" and "The best place to play")

Hence the copying of the style Sony made the conversations with creators vids, only Microsoft put THEIR OWN EMPLOYEES in and got them to take a dig at Sony about their indie policy which made absolutely no sense whatsoever and made the two who said it look like a pair of imbeciles.

Hence the desperate attempt to do the usual and throw money at the problems until they go away with the last minute inclusion of a headset and trying to create the illusion of value by packing in a free FIFA 14 with every preordered console.

Xbox, go home.

The company in fear is the one that changes their stated plans considerably over a span of a few months based on consumer reaction.

That's not what Sony has done.

@nukeitall

"They consistently stick with their plan, and don't react to feedback. Instead, they are proud of it."

It's amazing how consistently full of it you are.

Don't react to feedback? The PS4 was designed entirely with developer feedback in mind, based on criticism of the PS3 and what developers wanted to see in a next-gen console. Sony sought out feedback, and developers praised them for it.

Sony listened, and responded to every criticism they could with the PS3. They dropped the price dramatically. They beefed up first-party support in response to "PS3 haz no games". They improved the interface and online features in every way they could, and even addressed criticism like cross-game chat as being impossible.

You act like Microsoft is more receptive, but the reality is, as much as you want to pretend it's Sony sticking to their guns, to a fault, what Sony has done have made them the leader in this race, and left MS playing catch-up since day one.

Sony didn't have to be reactive in the face of extreme consumer backlash. They listened first. Built the PS4 second. They got it right the first time, by paying attention the first time.

MS built a turd that was met with widespread disappointment, and had game journalists cheering when Sony made the announcements everybody wanted to hear at E3.

Sony listened the first time, and debuted their console to widespread praise. MS did what they wanted, fell flat on their face, and are now changing policy to save the sinking ship that Captain Oblivious plowed right into an iceberg.

Pretend all you want that MS's response puts them above Sony, but being receptive enough to criticism and consumer wants and needs to nail it on day one is better than spending months reacting to a PR trainwreck no matter how you want to spin it.

MK and NFF are mad.

@malokevi

"While others have shifted their message and changed their story, we were consistent in maintaining [our] message"

After looking at XBOne at April, May and present can you honestly say that above statement is not correct?

@4me2

Absolutely not! I don't think anybody can deny that MS has been making a lot of changes, many of them reactionary. But the real question is... does it matter? Mistakes were made, and then rectified.

None of this has any impact on my ability to play and enjoy the games I love on the console that I choose, and therein lies the difference.

To some people, it matters on principal. To me, it's Christmas eve. Nothing can shake my anticipation, because its been building since I could hold a controller, and principals and opinions don't even factor in. That obviously doesn't go for everyone, but there it is.

@malokevi: "Riding on the high-horse, spitting at the competition."

Do you want me to show you examples from this gen of Microsoft doing exactly that?

"I have great respect for Microsoft after this whole debacle. Not so much for Sony. They will need to prove themselves to me."

This is a laughable response. You have respect for a company that only changed policies because they saw a humongous hole in their money bag thanks to said policies? After the way Microsoft have treated gamers, and acted this entire generation, there is no way anyone can make the claim that Microsoft are on any moral highground and deserving of respect for anything other than finally making the common sense moves they should have been making from the very start.

@nukeitall: "I think Sony's comment is exactly what is the problem with Sony. They consistently stick with their plan, and don't react to feedback. Instead, they are proud of it."

Are you serious? The PS4 is the result of listening to the feedback of 8 years of PS3 life. Of having to deal with the trolls complaining about B.S. like PSN maintenance and download speeds. About having to deal with people who aren't developers, and people who are, saying that the PS3 was too difficult to develop for. The PS4 has everything a gamer could possibly want, and everything a developer needs, to be great. Exactly what feedback have Sony not listened to in development of the PS4?

"However, if you look at their product line. It took them over a year to react to the slow sales of the PS Vita or the overcharging of their memory card."

The thing that dismantles your argument here is that people were whining about the Vita's price from day two. On day one, that is the day of the price's reveal, everyone was cheering about the price and then, because Nintendo reduced the price of the 3DS, the hate began. People were comparing the Vita to the 3DS and complaining within those parameters. What feedback did Sony ignore that was legitimately about the Vita and was something they could directly control and NOT in relation to the 3DS?

"Remember the PS3? They rode the entire generation with little changes."

You've been blind for years if you actually think this. The quality of games, and the changes to their online offerings, changed dramatically from when the PS3 launched. You have to be trolling with this one.

"The only time Sony got a hit is when they decided to give or lend if you may free games with PS+. Of course everybody loves free access to games."

Refer to my above response.

"So what you should take from all this is, MS attempted to make radical changes, didn't forsee the backlash and ended up reacting very nimbly. Whereas Sony is this slow thudding company that hasn't changed much and it's claim to fame is it stuck by it's guns."

That's what an Xbox fanboy takes from it. Reality is different. Reality is that MS attempted to act in a purely corporate interest mindset and were beaten back by the consumers. They reacted out of necessity, not because of flexibility. Sony offered what everyone asked for and hasn't had to change anything because the only people with a problem with the PS4 are Xbox One fanboys who never liked it to begin with. This is backed up by reality as you see that Sony has been receiving nothing but praise since February and Microsoft.. well...

"Big companies need to stay nimble, and not be afraid of making radical changes. If you don't, others will and you will loose eventually!"

You mean like the Cell processor? Yeah.

**EDIT** @Mr. Beatdown: +Bubbles for Well Said.

dragonknight,
"The PS4 is the result of listening to the feedback of 8 years of PS3 life. Of having to deal with the trolls complaining about B.S. like PSN maintenance and download speeds. About having to deal with people who aren't developers, and people who are, saying that the PS3 was too difficult to develop for. The PS4 has everything a gamer could possibly want, and everything a developer needs, to be great. Exactly what feedback have Sony not listened to in development of the PS4?"

why do you think sony finally listened? money. it is about money and marketshare. the ps2 was also very difficult for developers but sony didn't care, they dominated. then they took this arrogant attitude designing the ps3 and trying to get loyal gamers to shell out $600 for a game system and using that large userbase they acquired over the years to fight hddvd. again, it's about money.

its funny how you think m$ only cares about filling there own pockets yet you think sony only cares about you. as a ps3 gamer we got shafted early on with multiplat games because sony didnt give out great developer tools and made a system that benefited them. the ps4 would also follow the same philosophy if it wasn't from losing faith from 3rd party developers and losing a lot of their previous marketshare. again it is also about money.

when the ps2 was the lead platform why would sony care how difficult the system was to make games on? did sony care the ps3 was difficult and cost more money for game developers? no, not until gamers started to complain why a more expensive system got an inferior product (not talking about exclusives) and saw 3rd party publishers favor the x360. what a coincidence, the ps4 is the first console of theres where they talk to game developers of how to build a game system. it just so happened to be in a generation where competition was way more fierce. if the ps3 dominated the ps4 would not have a pc type of architecture.

why is sony being so indie friendly? its because they want exclusive deals. again its about money. the same tricks m$ pulls with dlc and times exclusive deals your so eager to blast them for.

http://www.forbes.com/sites...

sony is paying for exclusivity rights.

they are all in it for the money.

"Of having to deal with the trolls complaining about B.S. like PSN maintenance and download speeds"

so anyone who questions why downloads take longer on the ps3 compared to there x360 are trolls? anyone who asks why psn has so many maintenance downtimes compared to xbox live are trolls? any developer who struggles on the ps3 are trolls too? wow, you really do live in a glass house.

what i find most interesting of all is after all of these changes m$ has done, after all of the games being shown they thought m$ never cared about, that sony fanboys still have nothing good to say about it. if sony fanboys care so much about games being the main focus of what a game system should have why do we rarely if ever see any comments from sony fanboys actually talk about xbone games? this goal posts shifting all over the place is getting old.

you would think that now that we are getting down to crunch time, the systems are coming that all of this nonsense would cease. that the games being shown would be what the talks would be now. but no, fanboys still have wounds that apparently never heal.

No one is saying they aren't allowed to adjust their policies. People are just saying they shouldn't have had the polices in the first place.

In this article, Spencer goes on about how the course of discussion between the customer and themselves is paramount. However, if that were the case, MS would have known what the consumer expectations were. What we got though was MS making their own expectations, with the consumer having very little part in it.

People, and Spencer himself, are infering that MS is an agile company. One that is able to quickly respond to consumer demands. However, the month between their reveal and E3 saw not a single shred of evidence that they were even considering it. Even their post conference interviews insisted it would be impossible. Then it took another month or so for them to realize they were going to fail with them in place.

I don't blame MS for trying to do the whole PR positive image thing now. Saying they're for the gamer and have our best interest in mind is pretty much par for the course. However, past actions go against this mindset in a very glaring way. The fact that Xbox fans themselves don't even notice it and only blame Sony fans for all of MS misfortunes is just enabling MS to act this way. Companies need to be held accountable for their actions, and it takes more than a couple positive press releases or contradictory interviews, which are easily scrutinized, to wash away the negatives.

Wow, extremely well said MrBeatdown and lmao @ nukeitall!

@nightfallfilms, malokevi

All corporations are cold, uncaring entities that care only about the bottom line. Sony is no better than any other successful company but, their climb was and is still in an environment of healthy competition with other companies vying for a chunk of market share in all their divisions, they learned that to get the most profit (eg= sales) they needed to understand their customers and "cater" to their needs. Microsoft, on the other hand was nurtured and hand held to a position of prominence by the worlds first high-tech monopoly IBM. until they bit the hand that fed them and became a monopoly themselves. most of their history is rife with either buying out competitors or crushing them with back door deals. they never had to compete on a level playing field with anybody and they never had to cater to customers because they were the only game in town (in the software industry) when they stated branching out into different industries they discovered that it is much more difficult to compete without a monopoly handicap. catering to customers needs is an alien concept to them. For MS, all this flip-floping is just growing pains while they learn how to function in a competitive environment with a strong willed consumer base (gamers) that will not tolerate corporate shenanigans.
They will stumble and fall, like they are doing now, but eventually, in time, they will become a company that will cater to the consumer.

and besides, all this is moot, Sony, MS, Nintendo, steam box, oyua and whatever other companies enter the gaming market are a good thing, they need each other for all the benefits that healthy competition brings to the table, keeps everybody on their toes and gives the gamers (us) the best value and variety.

Competition is good for everyone, I hope both systems do well because it will be good for gamers all around. The gaming industry would really be crap if any one console/company had a monopoly. Then they could dictate to us any changes they wanted to make.

@mad puppy

I like your explanation of how the PC market IBM created is what allowed MS to grow well beyond it's ability to compete in the industry. I disagree in them eventually becoming a consumer friendly company. I don't think they will survive all their blunders in the long run. THINK ABOUT IT, the only mild success they have had with any product in the last 10 years is the 360 and that's only AFTER throwing piles of cash at the division to first keep it afloat during the RROD fiasco and ultimately to compete with Sony by making the development community drunk with the wine of their timed exclusivity strategy. Windows 8 is an utter failure. If I were an investor my money would be headed a 1000 miles in the opposite direction from MS.

That's not 100% true. Some people don't like the policies and methods Microsoft have used. It's not always about loving one brand or another.

When I look at the Sony brand I'm not totally in love or complacent to everything they've done either.

Does this mean other people are investing as in the same values I follow? No, I didn't like several changes and policy practices Sony made either. I liked plus when it was optional now that it's being changed I'm not to found of that.

So whats the difference? After all, I'm still swayed to the PS4. The difference is despite all the negatives there are ONLY 3 big name gaming consoles to choose from.

Microsoft
I think of Microsoft as the rich bully who looks for ways to constantly take my money. The one who changes tactics then when caught. This guy likes to cause trouble and uses every advantage possible to take out his rivals.

Nintendo
I see Nintendo as the guardian. They have their little house that I live in. They provide me with entertainment on a level that offers some protection from the harsh online environment. It's truly a unique as it limits the online experience. I love them as a whole, they do seem most fair in professional policy of the three. Unfortunately, I would like a more robust experience then their limited environment offers.

Last gen Nintendo simply didn't have much to offer me. It felt their agenda lacked enthusiasm for their products. Overall a I respect Nintendo this company. They try to be more like a family entertainment company then anyone else. Sometimes a little to much.

Sony
I see Sony as a charmer that's a nerd. He likes to make money but his methods aren't giving me a bloody nose. In fact I kind of like the guys style most of the time. When he wants to make money he chooses to weigh the factors of cost to quality. He always seems to add something of value for increasing the cost. Sometimes his ego gets inflated but hes a geek and all geeks like fancy or overpriced toys. He does like money but seems less aggressive. I see him as a valuable because he seems to have what I want.

Overall all companies are in it to make money. What is really upsetting is if the greedy anti-consumer monopoly duopoly or whatever succeeds. When we're given no choice but to follow that standard it'll be a sad day. I myself don't want standardized greedy policies that disrupt my hobby in a negative way.

I'm looking for a balance in value and content. I don't want useless gimmicks. I want to choose a product that produces content I enjoy. I don't want to deal companies that lie to get ahead through deceptive aggressive business practices, Want to milk every penny I have because they can, or one that tells me, "This is how we're doing and it's the future it DEAL WITH IT!"

Hopefully after reading this you have more insight. It's not always because of blind brand love and hate. There are legitimate factors that cause people to react. Some people don't want a bad influence taking a dominating foothold in the gaming market.

Ye,s there are gamers with insecurities (fanboys) but think about it. They love gaming and because they care about its future they feel the need to defend it.

This is just my two cents of an opinion. Don't take it personally because these feelings aren't after any single individual.

@ Biggest
What are you talking about?
You're saying you can come to my house and access and play all of you disk based games? Or even the ones on your hard drive simple from signing in as yourself? I have never seen this happen, I think that's a BS lie.

Indeed, if gamers, media (and also thanks to Sony) hadden't reacted like they did on their old policies (DRM, Always Online etc) then things wouldn't have changed like it did, and the XBONE would still be what MS first intention was...

That's what keeps bothering me, that they even tried to do these things.