Man, you knew what he meant Chess-Nazi :)

MS definitely needed to change things, but not into PS4 version 2.

They have no vision now that their original vision has been cancelled (or put on the backburner - dons tinfoil hat), and are just copying at this point.

But why wouldn't you just go with the original PS4?

MS needs something to really separate it from the competition, especially with that price difference and now Sony looking to implement tv differently (maybe the subscription content without the required cable box that we thought X1 was originally going to do).

@joy...yeah, lol i am a fan of chess to the point where when you see the phrasing being used improperly...you feel its your civic duty to correct.

My bad.

Don't apologize for lesser minds, Darth. Ever :).

M$ had a brand new experience, they had a new vision (not consumer friendly, but it was theirs). This vision wasn't just created over night, it was created over years. What do they have now? NOTHING, almost everything they spent millions on in R&D was thrown to the waste side. So the entire "what has Sony done for the sake of BETTER GAMEPLAY - NOTHING." What has M$ done? Nothing because everything they were thinking about was scrapped. Now the XBone is starting to look more like a PS4, except it's $100 more and not as sleek.

Sony has played a masterful game of chess and have done that since their reveal in March. M$ hasn't done anything but fumble around the board and try to play catch-up. I hope they get their sh** together because a company needs competition to continue greatness and to push forward.

@eman3d

Whether there is a lot of time to make changes or not there shouldn't be the need to so close to release if MS had done it properly the first time. The reason nobody cares about the PS4's features is because with Sony's track record there isn't anything to worry about, don't you really think if Sony had made the same mistakes as MS that it wouldn't be blasted over the internet and on forums?.....of course it would.

''Infamous, KillZone, God of War... been there done that....'' Same can be said for Gears, Halo and Forza

If MS were trying to be so innovative why have they scrapped so many of these new features they first came out with? Sure cloud computing is something positive but it won't mean anything if they don't themselves use it to it's full potential, i mean MS could buy all the servers in the world but if the games library is anything like the 360 at the moment what's the point?

I just can't help but ask the question, where do they find you people!? As much as some would like to believe Microsoft is just killing the competition, no that's not the case! Microsoft has done so well in business by trampling on the backs of consumers like you who'll believe anything their fed! Now Microsoft wants to get into producing their own processors! And guess what? Pass off the cost to the consumers! At least Sony had the integrity and decency to eat the cost of their tech experiments.

Before either console was even announced I had said that Microsoft had gotten complacent and comfortable! When Sony started referencing the Feb event, most knew it would intail a eventual reveal for Sonys next gen offering, but obviously Microsoft must have missed that show or, were unconcerned! At that point I knew they were going to be unprepared, even though the ones from the Xbox camp were saying it was delusional thinking! To make matters worse Microsoft wouldn't respond to anything, good or bad! I said it was because they couldn't compete with Sonys showing! In hindsight I realize it was much more than that! Microsoft has spread themselves to thinly and it's showing.

It is nothing wrong with sticking with what you know best! When software comes to mind I think of Microsoft, when I think of hardware I think of Sony.

@corvusmd

''how DARE they listen to consumers and give the people what they wan''

What MS wanted was to force you to be connected by implementing a 24hr check-in policy and limit your ability to buy and trade used games....when MS didn't get what they wanted and saw they would lose money they were forced to change these policies.

MS didn't choose to do these things because they listened to gamers, they were forced to do these because of the poor numbers they were facing come the Xbox One launch.

@david.... that's the same thing Sony did: http://www.tomshardware.com...

Although I think MS's stance on DRM and such wasn't nearly as evil as some want to make it seem. MS wasn't making money on used games, if publishers wanted to, that would be up to them. MS just wanted used games sold through a licensed dealer so that they could take the copy off the console of the original owner (because once installed you didn't need the disc anymore...this makes sense, or people would buy games...install then turn them straight back in. It's actually kinda logical...but yes, today's gamer isn't ready for an all online game experience yet...so yes, being a business, just like Sony...they need to make money, and just like Sony...reversed their decision so that they could be profitable...can't blame them there. So why is only MS taking the heat for this?

@corvusmd

I have previously seen that article and it doesn't make either of them any better or worse than each other so the link is irrelevant. What i think you disagreed with on my comment is my using of MS.

My point, which you clearly missed, was that they weren't giving consumers what they ''wanted'' because what they wanted to give people wasn't what the people wanted. This meaning BOTH were then forced to change to make money. I wasn't attacking MS but merely pointing out your ''MS is giving consumers what they are asking for'' comment is utterly flawed.

My reasoning for disliking the way MS handled the DRM/24hr check-in situation was the bare faced lies in which they told people they couldn't change it....but when they saw a loss in revenue it magically disappeared and ''switches were flipped''. I personally am not comfortable giving my money to a company that has repeatedly deceived and lied to me, and even recently with the Kinect revelation.

Basically i think we'd all agree that whether MS or Sony both companies are looking to make money, sure companies change things here and there but Sony do it without the BS and false information. If MS and Sony are in some way evil, i know for sure i'm going for the lesser of two evils....Sony.

Well they don't want to abandon everything all at once..

The complaints came in waves.. DRM was the problem, they fixed it.. Then it moves on to the next thing to bitch about..

I preordered mine right after e3.. And had to hit 3 stores to find one.. Not everyone thought the original policies were bad..

They are adapting as demand dictates imo

"Not everyone thought the original policies were bad"

I'll tell you something. I was one that thought MS were crazy with their original X1 plans. I bitched for changes. Damn near celebrated when the changes were made.

But I'll definitely acknowledge that X1 was a more exciting product before, because at least it was doing something different than the competition. I know it seems hypocritical, and I still think the changes were needed to protect gamers' rights to ownership and privacy. But I kind of regret that the consoles are so similar now.

I really hope MS has something exciting up their sleeve that makes the gaming world Oh $#1! :O

Lol, better not post that. People on dont like hearing the negatives, even when its the truth. Well said. Bubbles up