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Kinect Xbox One U-Turn – Why It’s Terrible

It’s been revealed today that Microsoft has deftly executed yet another u-turn in their next-gen console policies: Kinect will no longer be a mandatory component of the new Xbox One architecture.

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golding894698d ago (Edited 4698d ago )

Before the U-turn it was bad.. after it..it's terrible

lol

Oh Boy.

@Neonridr This has nothing to do with MS addressing concerns..bottom line is.. those that they never wanted to buy xbox one would never buy it even if xbox one would give them eternal life.

All I am saying is you cannot make everyone happy..At some point they just have to deal with it. just like sony fans will have to deal with that 50 bucks a month for online play from now on..

Neonridr4698d ago

so you would prefer that Kinect would have to be a mandatory component? You would rather MS not address concerns the public had and fix them?

cleft54698d ago (Edited 4698d ago )

Thing is now that the Kinect isn't mandatory for the console the incentive for developers to develop for the device is lowered.

Yes every console will come with one, but every 3DS comes with 3D functionality and that doesn't get used all that often. By making the Kinect mandatory developers knew that it was a feature that Xbox One users had to use. Sort of like how the controller is mandatory.

Honestly, Microsoft was in a tight spot on this one because they where damned if they do and damned if they don't. To make this move and not introduce a Kinect-less skew right off is just going to create hold outs. Because people are now going to assume that they will make an Xbox One without a Kinect. It's a tough spot they put themselves in.

die_fiend4698d ago

M$ are spineless. They tried to screw consumers in 3 key areas and got put in their place.

1) No renting or reselling games
2) No microphone (which is why XBL is so popular)
3) Mandatory Kinect

The only thing saving the console now is the 2 x AA batteries that it comes with

IcicleTrepan4698d ago

You shouldn't smoke crack and surf the internet at the same time. It leads to posts like yours.

die_fiend4698d ago

Are you having difficulty understanding? Is it the sarcastic part that you didn't quite pick up on?

IcicleTrepan4698d ago

No it was the ignorance I was having trouble understanding.

kayoss4698d ago (Edited 4698d ago )

How is it "ignorance" when everything he listed was a fact? The only person who is ignorance is you Icicle. Everyone Sony fans and Microsoft fans present you with the facts to why Xbox One policies are not consumer friendly and yet you choose to ignore it and assume that everyone was against xbox one. You're the type of person that If a million people tell you that you're wrong you will still believe that you're right and continue to ignore the facts.
Why do you think Xbox One pre-order are higher now when compared to it's intial Preorder number before the reversal on DRM and use games? because Xbox One became more attractive due to the policy reversal. I can guarantee you that by not having Kinect mandatory, Xbox One Pre-orders will increase by a lot.

n4rc4698d ago

No.. Its ignorance when you take to the internet to bitch about things you don't know anything about..

1) nobody was ever stopping you from Reselling or renting games..

2) has kinect and a mic..

3) kinect is its biggest innovation. Its part of the core console. Actual customers want it.. People that don't want a xbox hate it.. So who really cares?

Sony fans need to realize their opinion isn't shared by everyone else.. Your entitled to believe what you want.. But nobody else has to follow you

dcj05244698d ago

Those batteries are tempting me to cancle my PS4 pre-order.

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GadgetGooch4698d ago

$50 a month for online play on PS4? Are you smoking crack?

golding894698d ago (Edited 4698d ago )

Obviously it was a typo. $50/yearly.

50 bucks a month just wouldn't make sense.

It should not take a genius to figure out dude lol

Retroman4698d ago

nothing x1 can do to change gamers mind at this point no matter how they cover the poo with FREBREZE .

GadgetGooch4698d ago

Well with the state of the community on here i never know how retarded people can be.

joe904698d ago

My PC has a Camera plugged in 24/7, you don't see me with a tin foil hat worrying about being spied on.

I Do however turn it around while i masturbate, Would be a bit awkward forgetting to hang up a skype call with a family member while unzipping your trousers and grabbing your odd sock :)

TwinDad4698d ago

@golding89

I think you mean $50 a year, not 50 bucks a month.

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NYC_Gamer4698d ago

"The solution: With Xbox One, Kinect was always to be plugged in. This would mean that finally, the high-potential sensor would be fully integrated into the console’s infrastructure. This would have meant that any app, any game, even television viewed via the console could leverage the capabilities of Kinect. No more, though, thanks to paranoid complainers and a useless PR message"

Those Kinect features are still there just now gamers have the option of having the device plugged/unplugged

GodGinrai4698d ago

I agree..

but I want a bazzillion agrees. So Im going to say no. How do we know it does not have some fancy NSA tech that allows it to watch you even when its disconnected and put in a closet? how do we no it does not have x ray vision too? and what about that thing about my rights?

in fact why has it always got to be about my rights? whats wrong with my lefts?

SynestheticRoar4698d ago

OK. You sound hurt by this 180. Don't let it get you down. On a side note I was wondering is that president Harry S Truman as your avatar. You do know are 33 president was a cross dressing gay racist. You could have gone with Lincoln, Roosevelt, Kennedy, even johnson. I think would be better avatars.

IcicleTrepan4698d ago

Actually it seems like they were just stating fact. And so what if someone wants to be a gay cross dresser. Does that bother you, homophobe?

nugnugs4698d ago (Edited 4698d ago )

Yeah, I thought that @Icicle. Racist sure gtfo, but I don't see a prob with the other two.
Just say racist.

FlunkinMonkey4698d ago

With the Kinect being such an integral part of the system, you think we would have seen some integration into a flagship game by now.. Not voice commands in Ryse - a game previously intended for the 360, but was hailed as the great Kinect experience for the One.

Gimmicks, just like Kinect last gen.

dead_eye4698d ago

Anything that isn't just a controller/keyboard is a gimmick. No real gamer wants to be moving about to play a game. I ain't shouting at my tv to do stuff.

I love how people don't seem to care about MS lying about everything. It's not like their track record is great to begin with.

GodGinrai4698d ago

"I love how people don't seem to care about MS lying about everything"

yeah! they are like..always lying and stuff..using deception..they are like..Decepticons.

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dead_eye4698d ago

You don't really munch....it's to hard to explain

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techuser4698d ago (Edited 4698d ago )

How will that make the developers forget about the Kinect completely? I don't buy that just because a player can choose to disconnect it then that means developers wont make games with use of it all of a sudden. I'd like to see the source of the information oh wait it's an opinion based article. Gotta love those.

mmj4698d ago

Most gamers won't buy the Kinect orientated games so developers won't invest the money into developing for it, it will be used for a few gimmicks at most.

NewWhiteFeather4698d ago

There will come a time in the future where it will seem impossible for gamers to have ever gotten by without a gesture or voice command.

It's a gimmick as much as triggers and bumpers on earlier console controllers are gimmicks. Now they are integral and we (console gamers) couldn't imagine playing high end games without them.

mmj4698d ago

There was a need for analogue sticks and triggers as it improved controller accuracy, there is no need for dancing around in front of your console and shouting at it other than for optional gimmicks.

NewWhiteFeather4697d ago (Edited 4697d ago )

You're being disingenuous.

"Dancing around" as you put it, is not the only way to utilize motion control. A simple tilt of the head in a certain manner for a command, for example, could be fantastic.

Shouting isn't necessary, either. A whisper on a stealth mission could greatly improve immersion.

Hell, with the kinect bundled in, we could see stealth missions in co-op or with the AI where the only form of communication available at points is realistic hand motions, because the enemy will hear you via connect if you try to talk to you accomplice.

Eventually, those improvements will be considered crucial to the history and development of gaming.

Edit: There are many practical uses we can see come out of this for every day hardcore gamers like us. The idea that the Kinect can only be useful for Kinect only games, which are in turn useless to hardcore gamers is ridiculous.

techuser4695d ago

How do you know that to be the case? Why do people say this kind of crap without anything to back it up?

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headblackman4698d ago

its not bad at all. Microsoft has to give the kinect a fighting chance and the only way to do that is to take the advice of the developers and make sure that every Xbox one adopter has a kinect so it could make sense to create game functionalities that will take full advantage of the sensor. kinect 2 will be light years better than there first. mainly because of the specs of it and the lessons learned from the first kinect and as well as kinect 2. the first kinect ran on software and the processing power of the system. it was originally supposed to have a dual core processor in it, but Microsoft elected to not do the dual core chip in order to save cost and time. this time around the kinect 2 will still run on software, but it will also have a quad core processor of its own incorporated inside of the kinect device and will also have access to the system power and that also means cloud processing because of the system. so there are no real worries for the new kinect 2. only expectations.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai55d ago (Edited 55d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio55d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing55d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9255d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit55d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing55d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9255d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay57d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn258d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers57d ago (Edited 57d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn257d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown57d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos57d ago (Edited 57d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay57d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay57d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac57d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger57d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300057d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde57d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood57d ago (Edited 57d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde57d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7559d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_56d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.