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Xbox One Can Work without Kinect? Awww, Man

Microsoft has had its reality check. Do you need one as well?

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Gazondaily4659d ago

I don't see an issue if the X1 can work without the Kinect but with it being mandatory with the X1. It really is important that MS stick to their guns and not release a Kinect-less SKU.

Whilst many will disagree with me, I truly believe that there is potential in the hardware and with it being an integral part of the X1, we should hopefully see some really intuitive uses.

Motion control tech is the precursor to true immersive gaming. Whilst it leaves a lot to be desired in respect of how effectively it functions now, it will lay the foundation for virtual reality and a more involved and superior control method.

-Alpha4659d ago (Edited 4659d ago )

You are right-- they need to stick to their guns, and they will. Despite the backtracking with DRM, Kinect is what they are most invested in.

There are a lot of options to tweak privacy settings according to MS, but unplugging it is simply the surest way to convince people.

And it seems evident that they are sticking to the $499 model. MS may not sell as well out of the gate, but they don't have to. Whether or not Kinect's integration will sell more One's in the longterm will remain to be seen, but it's what MS is thinking about. Kinect is what differentiates XBox from PS4 most, and if they are wish-washy about the support, then people wont buy into the product.

darthv724659d ago (Edited 4659d ago )

a kinect in every box is the way to go. It has a greater chance of support than being an afterthought accessory sold separately.

plus, it looks as if the camera can see the controller and will know who is holding it so yeah...I want that.

If the DS4 was made with the ps4eye in mind, i wonder if it too will be able to know who is holding it?

@bitby... as someone who has the wii-u I think the tablet is great. I really dig the offscreen play. there are times i take it with me into the other room and continue playing.

nintendo just needs more games and they have already addressed that issue. I really look forward to the new batch of games coming soon.

thanks for asking though.

shoddy4659d ago

Most people are fine with kinect mandatory
but they should make it so kinect is not require to turn on the xbone

because just in case kinect broke down somehow and you don't need to buy a new kinect to be able to play your xbone.

BitbyDeath4659d ago

@darth, how's that working out for the wii tablet? Forcing unwanted hardware on people is not the way to go. Nintendo are learning that the hard way. MS are changing it due to demand in order to try get more pre-orders.

LaChance4659d ago

"Although we will be losing entertainment value due to Microsoft’s new(?) decision about the Kinect 2.0, we might get a closer look at the elephant in the room. OK really, there is never an elephant in the room anymore because people analyze the shit out of everything online. I mean, when it’s hot news on n4g.com that two AA batteries will be included with the Xbox One, you know that gaming culture meticulously combs over every last detail"

N4G Sony fanboys are the laughing stock of the internet.

nukeitall4659d ago

If I wanted my Xbox One to be a PS4, I would buy a PS4 (which technically I did, by pre-ordering).

Keep your PS4, and let me have my Xbox One with Kinect One please! Stop trying to turn the Xbox One into a Ps4!

It is a serious step backwards!!!

HammadTheBeast4659d ago

^

Actually those are second to MS apologists.

ZeroX98764659d ago

@LaChance

making MS removes the DRM limitations? forcing them to bring self publishing to X1? not restricting X1 users to plug in kinect all the time? Headset is back in the bundle?

As a sony supporter and also a original xbox and a 360 owner, it's been a pleasure pushing MS to change their restrictions. you're welcome.

BlindGuardian4659d ago (Edited 4659d ago )

funny thing is that now I'm not going to buy one at launch

since I don't want Kinect anywhere near my house and with this news it seems very possible they will release a Kinect-free SKU probably shortly after launch, I'll just wait for it

I didn't think they were going to do that so I was going to buy it anyway, not anymore (obviously to be a backup to my future main console the PS4)

thehitman4659d ago (Edited 4659d ago )

MS would probably be able to sell the XB1 at 349.99 without Kinect 2.0. The original Kinect retailed at 149.99 when it released and its now just at 99.99. That means everyone who is buying a xb1 is really paying 100-150 for a device they will most likly either A. Not like or B. Wont find any real use for it anyway. I think that will become a huge ploy for MS and I bet after the first year they will release a xb1 Kinectless SKU. MS is taking a huge gamble over this device and I think like most of the hardware they make it wont be worth it.

Man2bFree4659d ago

too little too late!! I would respect MS more if they stuck to their original policies, instead of doing 180s all over the place. Now its same as ps4! No reason for me to pick one up in few years or so! sad! I ll just stick to ps4 for next gen and 360 for this gen!

BitbyDeath4659d ago

@darth, but you are in the minority. The controller is not being embraced by devs and it is jacking up the price of the console at the same time, just like Kinect.

Kevin ButIer4659d ago

Great news IMO but hell MS where is your strat plan your long term vision... I'm starting to believe that you are ruled by a bunch of monkeys that react to every signal...lol

Stevino1234659d ago

Even though I'm a sony fanboy, I agree. Xbox is doing great, but have you heard anything from Sony recently? They are going to deliver some great stuff!

NukaCola4659d ago (Edited 4659d ago )

What is disgusting is that MS hasn't once admitted they messed up. They spin PR with every 180 they do. Sony came out and apologized for their mistakes this gen and have humbly put all the focus on gamers and Devs. MS is 100% untrustworthy. At least when they were greedy scumbags they kept some what honest. It's going to be a long time or never before I even think of putting any money towards an X1.

gaffyh4659d ago

@Septic & Alpha - Problem is, people will vote with their wallets, and if the console sells badly compared to PS4, they will have a choice to make. Either cut price, and swallow a loss of $100+ per console and Kinect sold, or remove Kinect from the box. The only reason they're making it non-mandatory in the first place is because it is a half-measure to try and entice sales. It proves more and more that the rumours of the preorders are true.

Given the choice, they WILL remove Kinect from the box

Also LMAO @LaChance.

The_Con-Sept4658d ago

I'm still against motion gaming. I didn't like it with the Wii, PS2, PS3, or kinect. Thank god none of the games I enjoy playing require motion control.

If I still have to pause my movements for it to register my action I'd much rather stick to buttons.

Soldierone4658d ago

@Darth

You have it backwards. The Eye is the one that tracks the controller, aka the light at the top of the DS4.

Kinect tracks faces or voices (recognizes people) I believe, not the controllers.

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Tony-A4659d ago (Edited 4659d ago )

I'm sort of on the fence about the reasons why they should stick with providing Kinect with every XBO, but I think I do agree with you on some aspects.

The only reason I would agree for them to stick their guns in keeping Kinect tethered to every XBO is for the simple fact that - at this point - they look and sound COMPLETELY lost.

Literally everything they had intended to fight for and everything that they said was the vision of the future is demolished. This was the last thing they were sticking to and the only thing that separated it from the PS4. Now that Kinect is pretty much optional, we have no clue what they're going for. They had their own path, and where are they now? Did they stray onto a path of following whatever lead Sony sets?

On the other hand, I think they would be better off without Kinect in every box. Hell, they flipped on everything else, why not that? And as for the future of Kinect as a leading motion peripheral, I can honestly see it falling second to Oculus Rift. It has a promising future (as Kinect could) that could be really interesting if developers use it well.

At the end of the day, as much as I would like to see a Kinect-less XBO some day, I'm torn as to whether or not that would be a bright idea.

SilentGuard4659d ago

They are still including it in every box, just no longer requiring it to be hooked up. Don't worry though, the vast majority of people will still hook it up out of curiosity and becuase it comes in the box. This is a smart business and PR decision from MS to placate any privacy concerns and satisfy those that aren't in on MS's Kinect fetish. Those that have a dislike for Kinect can now buy and use an Xbox One without having the device they resent staring them in the face.

Kingthrash3604659d ago

thats just it though. if the xbox can work without it then why force it on the masses? if I want it ill but it if not I shouldnt HAVE TO buy it. it should be optional like a extra controller smh so sad to see such a successful company fumble so badly in its third year in console gameing....GREED can make or break your product...in this case its breaking the x1.

ZeroX98764659d ago

@SilentGuard

exactly! there's nothing bad about what's been announced. you still get kinect with the X1 and you can use it or not. MS made sure every Dev can use Kinect to their advantages by bundling it with the X1 by default, without forcing it to consumers who's not going to use it.

The Xbox one is looking better than ever. it'll take a short time before the word spreads out, but it will eventually. competition is always good.

fermcr4659d ago (Edited 4659d ago )

If Microsoft doesn't release a X1 without Kinect (the sooner the better), then they most likely lost next gen. Most gamers simply don't want Kinect, just like most gamers simply don't want the PS4 eye camera with their PS4.

EDIT: Yes, a lot of gamers want Kinect, but most gamers DON'T want Kinect, including me. Microsoft should offer a X1 with Kinect and a X1 without Kinect, and let the consumer choose witch to purchase... if not, Microsoft will loose a lot of sales because most people won't pay extra 100$ for something they don't want.

No_Limit4659d ago (Edited 4659d ago )

@fermcr,

No offense, but a lot of gamers do want a Kinect included, like myself. I want something different than a supped-up X360 or X360 3.5 for that matter. The inclusion of Kinect will allow for developers to attempt new ideas with gameplay than what is possible during current generation. Yea, Kinect gets tons of bashing but from many reports, this sensor is leap and bounds ahead of the first one. Don't forget, IllumiRoom and the Augmented Reality Glasses that are coming soon requires the Kinect to work. I think the Kinect 2.0 will be a huge factor on the success on the XB1; maybe not now, but surly in the near future.

I_am_Batman4659d ago

I don't want to use Kinect either. If they'll release a kinect-less version with a lower price point it might get them more potential to compete with the ps4 directly. However it might also lessen the interesst of developers in Kinect. I really wouldn't care cause I'm not interessted in motion controlls or voice recognition but for people that do care about these things this might be bad news.

pompombrum4659d ago (Edited 4659d ago )

@No Limit - sorry but I just don't think a lot of gamers want it. By gamers I mean the people who go and buy the latest Halo/COD each year.

I think everyone wants something new and not just an upgraded 360. Kinect though I don't think was the answer. Your argument for why kinect will be great is the same with pretty much everything I hear out of the Microsoft camp.. the future, illumiroom/augmented reality glasses are a little way off from our home consoles. Sadly, Microsoft have done nothing really to sell us kinect other than a bunch of claims and a few tech demos. Let us not forget the project natal reveal and the kinect reveal.. so many empty promises. For me it's the case of fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

Still, I can live with it being a mandatory purchase and can see the logic (however don't agree with said logic) but the thought of having it always connected, always listening really rubbed me the wrong way. For Microsoft to come out and say that the Xbox One will work without kinect being connected is a huge deal for me and possibly what will convince me to get one next year some time.

MWong4659d ago

Honestly, while this is good for consumers, it doesn't look good for M$. Their vision of the XBone is complete shell of itself.

M$ probably shouldn't have said the Kinect wasn't mandatory. If it's not mandatory to use with the console, then why do people need it? I know it will enhance your gaming experience, but if I don't need or want it I shouldn't be forced to have it. Consumers should be able to have a different SKU 1 with the Kinect the other without.

M$ will most likely release a $399 console also without a Kinect.

ma1asiah4659d ago

"Most gamers simply don't want Kinect"

Who are these gamers you speak off??????

What the Pro Sony crowd who make up the bulk of the commenters in X1 threads.

You know the ones that keep saying they wont buy the X1 and all the reasons under the sun and then low and behold you see they only have a PS gamertag listed in their profile, so it is like DUHHH!!!! Its not the PS4, its not SONY

Are you talking about all the noobs who keep comparing Kinect 2.0 to Kinect 1.0 and think Kinect 2.0 is just more flappy, flappy hand and body gestures.

Are you talking about the once upon a time way yonder back when I was an Xbox gamer before RROD (cough cough) yip sorry to say it but I'm suspecting these types are just SONY fans who only got the X360 because it came out first and then jumped back to PS once the PS3 was released.

You also do realise that all us posters here in N4G only make up a small proportion of the gaming public.

For every true Xbox gamer that says they will only get the X1 if MS release a Kinectless SKU I know a shit load more that are either ok or pysched for Kinect 2.0 being bundled with the X1.

Its an assumption and nothing more that "MOST" gamers don't want Kinect 2.0

I_am_Batman4659d ago (Edited 4659d ago )

@ma1asiah: Maybe he's just talking about people that aren't interessted in motion controls in general and would appreciate to have the option of a kinect-less version for a smaller price (I fall into this category).

Another example might be parents that buy a next gen console for their kid. The price point will be an important factor for this.

Or maybe people that don't put as much faith in the future of Kinect as you do after owning an Xbox 360. They might get a Kinect later if MS can prove that it's worth owning.

You can't deny that there are a lot of people that would like to have the option to choose whether or not they want to get Kinect.

ma1asiah4659d ago

@ I_am_batman

I get your point but the issue is this.

People find it laughable that MS have backtracked (done a 180) on so many issues concerning the X1, now some of these maybe deemed valid and justifible. Yet some possible consumers have stood their ground and continue to say NO I am still not getting an X1!!!!

With all the RnD that has gone into the tech powering Kinect 2.0 (which by the way is a direct response to what didn't work with Kinect 1.0) MS at some point have to start to believe and stand firm with at least some part of that original vision they had for the X1.

They are never going to acheive that by making Kinect 2.0 an optional extra. They will never acheive getting cool Kinect features included in core games if it is deemed nothing but a gimmick.

They would also end up breaking promises to developers who are keen to utilise Kinect 2.0 in their games if all of a sudden these features are only going to be used by a fragmented section of the X1 gaming community that might also impact some developers ability to make a profit on their game.

MS have already advised and confirmed that it cost as much to make Kinect 2.0 as it did to make the X1, so given that fact then it is amazing that it is actually only going for $100.00 when you think about it.

Many have already stated the obvious which is that it is the KEY difference between it and the PS4.

Now think of this, say they did remove it and released a Kinectless SKU for $100.00 less would you seriously pay the same price as the PS4 for a clone with weaker specs. Answer no you wouldn't plain and simple.

I'm sorry some of you feel this is being forced upon you BUT!!!! as others have stated many times you don't want Kinect 2.0 simple buy the PS4 which gives you everything you want.

I have four kids, my two daughters absolutely love Kinect 1.0 so to me it gives them something that my boys might not be so keen on. THOUGH give my boys a fighting game with better cursory accuracy like a Kinect 2.0 Fight Night and they will be all over it.

Just think where we would be if the Wright Brothers hadn't invented and persisted with the airplane.

Where we would be if someone had not invented and persisted with computers, gaming consoles, automobiles, cellphones even the internet via telecommunications.

If gaming is to evolve and change then we shouldn't stand in the way but embrass it, even if it takes a few itterations before the tech truly finds its place.

green4659d ago (Edited 4659d ago )

I am sure if you asked gamers at the beginning of this gen to choose between a $400 PS3 with a DVD drive and a $600 PS3 with a Blu Ray drive, I can bet you that the majority would have chosen the cheaper console. Sony releasing a DVD only Ps3 would have guaranteed them sales of over 100 million units by now and far more profit. But look at we're we are now? Every next gen console is using Blu ray because its increased storage space allowed for bigger an better worlds.

So the same holds true for me this gen. I do want Kinect not just a 360 with prettier graphics because I believe that the increased power of the console and the far more powerful and responsive Kinect 2 will drive innovation .

For those that do not want it, then there is an alternative that will give them a lot of fun. That alternative is called a PS4.

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TheHybrid4659d ago

YES! Exactly. People have become so jaded because of crappy VR, 3-D and motion control features because of their thus far crappy implementation. That doesn't mean that we should just give up. The fact is, it's coming and if we start focusing on making it happen instead of actively fighting to hold ourselves in the past, we can have a full blown Star Trek holo deck before I die!

Insomnia_844659d ago

Let me say this again, it's a trap!!!

So "it's not mandatory" but they still refuse to sell one without it? Huh! So IT IS mandatory!! See? This is the kind of BS a hate about Microsoft! Even if the system doesn't require it to work, they still MAKE YOU BUY ONE, they want to make sure you have one right there and MAKE YOU USE IT and how are they going to make you connect that thing? Very simple, by having devs implement certain things in games that can only be done with the camara, they know you have it and you will have no other choice but to keep the dem thing plugged all the time!! The camara is what they use to look at your surroundings and put the ads in your face according to what the camara sees and listens to. They need that camara plugged to make money, it's not about the "innovation" of kinect, it's about MONEY and let's not rule out the NSA just yet.

I'm not convinced yet Microsoft! Give me an sku without it and you have my money! Don't MAKE ME BUY something I don't want to then MAKE ME USE IT!!

Some of us already know your ways Microsoft, you are now very predictable.

golding894659d ago

lol dude shut up.. you just need another excuse to complain about the xbox one.

SilentGuard4659d ago

You may be correct. Kinect is a data mining tool that will allow MS to gather demographic data to sell and charge higher premiums for advertising. Kinect is a gold mine for revenue and even if they sell fewer Xbox Ones by including it in every box at a higher price they will more than make up for it. Of course MS isn't going to come out and say it, so they have to try and sell the consumer on it by touting the hollow features it "might" bring as an integral part of the experience. MS isn't including Kinect for what it can do for you; it's including it for what it can do for them.

Insomnia_844659d ago (Edited 4659d ago )

@golding89

No, I complain because I WANT TO GET IT!

Are you going to tell me now that all those 180s they've been doing were because they were doing things right? All I've seen is those same fanboys that had been defending their practiced since day one, get excited for every single 180 they have done! Some actually care and that's why MS backed pedaled! Because of those who spoke with their wallet! It's a good thing that the loyalist fanboys are just the minority.

@SilentGuard

Exactly! People need to look beyond Microsoft's spinning and sugar coating words for everything. If after all MS wrong doings people still can't see this things then nothing will. Microsoft has set them to think the way they want to. Making you pay for things that are free everywhere else and then making you think they are giving you an even better deal like the all new "Home Gold" where you still need to pay to "unlock" features like fb, webrowsing, netflix, etc in your console that you already paid them for.

Seriously, some people need to WAKE UP!!! OPEN YOUR EYES!!

ziggurcat4659d ago

they're not making you use it even if they still include it in the box... at least now you have the option to unpack it or keep it in the box.

they would be smart, though, to release a SKU without the kinect at a lower price.

Nocando4659d ago

Away with you, buffoon, go infect some other site with your crazyness.

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I_am_Batman4659d ago

That's really great news. It was the last thing that had to be changed. Now give me a kinect-less launch version and I'll start to save up money.

colonel1794659d ago

LMAO, Another reversal! What's next? Changing the name too? In mu opinion, I am really thinking that they have done this on purpose. They saw the reaction on the PS4 in February and then the horrible reaction to the Xbox One in may, and so they (and I am somehow 99.9% condifent about this) said: Let's go the same route as the PS4. Everybody likes it, so let's do it the same. The reason: So that PS4 doesn't have any advantage whatsoever (other than specs). They definitely must have done that so that at least they are at most level as possible to Sony.

GraveLord4659d ago

Virtual Reality? Really? Come On....

Nothing good can come from forcing things on people.

If you didn't like or weren't interested in Kinect for Xbox 360, there's no reason why you would want Kinect for Xbox One.

Kinect isn't the future of technology, its the past. Motion Controls are old news. They are a huge gimmick. Just because the new Kinect is accurate, it doesn't mean it'll be any better. Ever heard of Playstation Move? It's a superior version of the Wiimote. Nobody cared.

sobotz4659d ago

This news destroy the NSA-rumor stuff since we can play the console without Kinect now.

Haters run out of stuff to hate right now lol

MRMagoo1234659d ago

well actually they have at least 2 more reasons, its weaker hardware for a more expensive price and you are paying for a camera you may not even want.

Mr1Y4659d ago

We need to set up a poll to see what the majority thinks about this situation. Kinectless vs kinect included

SegaSaturn6694659d ago

Relax, I'm sure the next M$ announcement will be that the Xbone Requires the playstation eye to power on.

FanboyCrusher4659d ago

Think of it this way, try launching a peripheral with the launch of a console. Say goodbye to all the money you spent on R&D. Complain all you want, including the Kinect was vital for it's survival in the gaming market. The exact reason I don't expect the PS Eye to be around much, first adopters of the consoles don't generally want peripherals.

Ashby_JC4658d ago

What you said 100%

I cross my fingers that they NEVER release a kinect less SKU.

It would not make any sense to do it. All the money Im assuming thats tied up in this device...they almost have to drop it in every box.

If they announce a Kinect LESS sku I can honestly say my interest level would drop off drastically.

I was interested in the kinect for the 360 but never got it. But if the XBO is built around the Kinect 2.0 I am very interested in using the voice commands.

I see it as something that can be the start of something we use ALL the time in the future.

Shadonic4659d ago

Indeed this with the addition of there Modding support ( depended on the developer though) We could see great mods for the kinect on games we like to play considering how supportive most of the populous was toward the mods online fr PC.

Rhinoceros4659d ago

@BitbyDarth Vita is closer to Wii U than Kinect

The X1 needs to keep the bundle. 350 bucks for a console this powerful is stupid this quickly out the gate. Yall just need to wait for the regular 2 year period before they release a slim and drop the price.

Kurt Russell4659d ago

Kinect and Occulus Rift so you can see your hands feet etc would be cool.

nunley334659d ago

aww man this is a big blow for the NSA and MS advertising using kinect to see who is in the room and tailor ads to them. if producing a kinect-less sku causes devs to become disillusioned with kinect leads to an xb1 death spiral,then i'm all for it

bigfish4658d ago

its not fair! the Xbox might turn out to be a bit good now, and some people may buy it.... i swear and hope they go back on their decisions and implement strict DRM and Kintect and always on..... it will be the final nail in their coffin, it would have been funny, but i think they've woken up,,,, damn.....

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Orionsangel4658d ago

I just wanna do things with my good 'ol gamepad controller and play good games. That's it.

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TripC504659d ago

I would pick up a Xbox 1 if they offered a Kinectless discounted version!!

ABeastNamedTariq4659d ago

I think it's great that it can work without Kinect. When I get the XB1 next year I'll probably leave it plugged in (save for certain situations), but when I want to take my console elsewhere, I'm glad I'll have less to lug around.

Side note: Didn't they say that the Kinect was built into the console and all that? Just like the DRM? I'm not denying that this is good news for people like me, I'm just saying.

Kingthrash3604659d ago

yep and the lied AGAIN!
I guess its good news but ot shows how uncertain ms is about a "finished product" .
its funny how the have xbox fanboys funning around confused and being forced to contradict themselves...lol...

Finch4659d ago (Edited 4659d ago )

Yes they did, but without Kinect plugged in it sounds like you lose a lot of control over the guide and other options. Without it plugged in you pretty much just get to play games. Which is maybe fine for some, but you are going to lose a lot of the bells and whistles without it plugged in. The snap guide, changing games on the fly and more will be gone. Plus not to mention any and all games that even use any part of Kinect, voice or motion are going to be useless. So without it plugged in you are not going to be able to do much at all and only be able to play very little games. Might be fine at the start of the gen but you know by the middle and end of the gen you will be lucky to find a game that don't use it in any shape or form.

If anything this is just to make the tin hats feel more comfortable knowing they aint spied on. even known they using a mic in MP.

Ashby_JC4658d ago

Lied?

I see it as them going back and making a needed change. They made a mistake....BEFORE release and fixed it.

But folks STILL want to complain.

I bet if they were to release a Kinect less SKU people WOULD still complain. I for one hope they DONT release a Kinect less SKU.

no_more_heroes4659d ago

If they can really sell the Windows 8 marketplace integration, that would go a long way to justifying the price for me.

I'm definitely getting an XB1, but its how soon which is the real issue for me (and not before I reward Sony for their change in approach first, since I got a 360 first last gen).

Agent_hitman4659d ago

MS has turned 180 again by allowing kinect to be turned off completely while using X1. But that doesn't mean that Kinect will not be included in every X1 sold..

no_more_heroes4659d ago

Said this before, but it could always be "Turned Off" from the beginning. The issue was that, even turned off, the thing still needed to be connected to the console for the console to work.

That is what is no longer the case.

Shadonic4659d ago

wouldn't say its a 180. more like a 90 degree turn i still don't see why its such a great thing to patronize them because there not keeping to there initial plans because there consumers don't like them. Its a billion dollar company these decisions will have a huge impact on them in the future no matter if the consumers or MS were right or wrong.

I'm picking up an xbox one after my PS4 im really looking forward to what people will do Mod wise with the games and kinect if its possible.

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Jin_Sakai16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio16d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing16d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9216d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit16d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing16d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9216d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay17d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn218d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn217d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown18d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay17d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay17d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac17d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger18d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300018d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde18d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde17d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7519d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_17d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.