Fair enough points. I totally agree that both the 3DS and Wii U share very similar launches in that the libraries weren't fantastic and it took a year for the 3DS to take off (coupled with a price cut). Not saying that the Wii U necessarily needs a price cut, but with some heavy hitting releases coming our way, it will be interesting to draw the parallels with the 3DS to see if the Wii U suddenly becomes successful now that the 1st party games are here.

I agree I got the 3ds on day one and it was a bit of a let down at the start as there were not really any must own games for it but later on that year it hit the ground running and I love my 3ds and with Pokemon x/y out soon sales will be high again with the console.
I was also excited about the psv but again I felt let down by it as games like mnr which I love on the ps3 was pointless with no online. Resistans was ok lbp was fun but way to short for me and it has just felt like it has been missing the killer games like each console has. Yes it has some good games but I sold mine a few months ago as I don't see anything down the line I really want.

As for the Wiiu I love the console got it day one again and I did it a little different to other people who picked one up as I decided to see what some of the 3rd party gamea played like on it so I got mariou and zombie on day one then decided to pickup games like sonic all star racing, fifa 13, cod bo2, Tekken tag 2, batman 2 and liked how they played on the Wiiu but it has been lacking that killer game. I got Lego city and though this was a great game and got pikmin 3 and for me its games like this that show Nintendo still care for the core. I've never played a pikmin game before but I can't get enough of this game it is very fun but a challenge to which games this gen have seemed to of lost with all the fps games that have been out.

I think the Wiiu sales will pickup come the end and beginning of this year as we have some must own games between now and march. For me I think the ps4 and Xbox one will have a slow start when they come out to as the big name gamea in cod, fifa, bf and gta are all on the current gen consoles and because of this a lot of people will look to upgrade next year instead of the end of this year. That said I see all 3 selling well and quite close come the end of the generation but the start of this new generation its all about the Wiiu and Xbox one for the next 12 months

Remote Play will not help the Vita. Sony needs to sell software. Buying a Vita for remote play will not move software, it moves hardware which is typically at a loss. How many will use remote play anyway? I didn't buy a 50" plasma so I could game on a 7" screen. The WiiU has a remote play like feature where you can move your games to the controllers screen. We tried it once just to see it work. It's a neat feature like Sony's remote play with the Vita, but not enough to move hardware.

Remote play will not increase Vita sales, I'm sorry it just won't. Anyone who wants a vita already has one. People who just spent $400 on a ps4, $60 on a game plus the $50 for online is not going to want to buy a $250 vita on top of that just for remote play.

The Vita is meant to survive on its own, not be supported by another console.

keep in mind the quality of remote play is limited to the bandwidth you have available. Obviously if you are in the same home location, the connection could be virtually direct without having to pass through a router.

if you are out and about, you need a connection to a wi-fi hotspot as the 3g option is painfully slow in most respects to properly remote play. so your choice of where to play is limited by the number of hotspots that are freely available.

tethering is an option but one that is still not as quick or reliable as a real wi-fi connection. Remote play over the internet is a neat idea but the hurdles of performance and how the ps4 or vita will compensate have yet to be fully disclosed.

the wii-u is a close proximity device with a dedicated link between the base unit and the gamepad. That is why its range is limited to 50ft+ without obstruction and much less where there are obstructions (walls, floors of a house for example).

Plus, wii-u games have to be developed to include offscreen play which is something nintendo can mandate or leave at the developers discretion. It is a nice feature especially with the games nintendo has been releasing on the wii-u VC. all of them are able to be played offscreen. I have been putting more time in to super metroid offscreen than on.

That doesn't even make any sense. All gaming came from a computer literally, all of it. Nintendo is no different than Sony or Microsoft from what you are saying. Somehow you are you trying to categorize them as an industry standard in gaming when it just doesn't add up, this is why.

Video games have been around way before Nintendo since the 1940's, I am not going to say the company has never done anything good but that is what I don't get about many Nintendo fans I talk to, I am fan also just not a delusional one..

I just get very sick and tired of people acting like gaming literally was birthed by Nintendo. I would say the same about Sony and Microsoft if you think I am biased.

There were successful consoles out before Nintendo's also which is pretty obvious even the first handheld gaming system was not by them or probably anyone you would expect, it was made in the 70's. Don't bother giving credit to the people who literally started console gaming, handheld gaming or video games in general.

Just say it was all Nintendo. They made the gaming industry what we see today.. What a bunch of rubbish. Far from it, did they have great games and systems for sure but they really didn't start much in reality. They just used ideas just like everyone else has that have been around long before consoles or handhelds were ever conceived and improved upon them.

Huge pet peeve of mine when people just can't give credit where it is due. It is just sad, so many you act like you care about the history of gaming and so on but you only care about the history of the console you support, not the history of video games altogether.

So you can put Nintendo at the bottom of your comment there right along with Sony and Microsoft because they haven't done anything PC's didn't do decades before either or any other company for that matter. They didn't make the first handheld, they didn't make the first console with a controller, they didn't make the first video games. None of that.

So how on earth could they solely be responsible for this industry. You know it isn't a bid deal that they aren't but to say they are, is.

It is almost highly disrespectful to the people who busted their asses to really make an entirely new industry who are just being forgotten. Which weren't Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft.

Prime, people are sheep, just had a Goomba tell me Tetris and Mario are the best games ever made cause of sales and their in his words "timeless". Any old game that is good is timeless, but no to them only old school Nintendo games are timeless.

I will stand by this statement. If you wanna know what is complete shit just look at what is the most popular, majority of people like to be apart of a bigger entity so they could feel more powerful when they give their opinions. Did you know Mc Donalds makes the best burgers cause they sell the most : ) yeah, that is perfect logic.

Did you know Two and Half Men is the best written show on T.V : ) yeah, it is. Did you know Lady Gaga sold the most concert tickets, hell yeah, she is awesome, that meat dress looked weird, but it doesn't matter cause her music is so deep and meaningful, rah rah rah I want your bad romance : )

/S

People are the ultimate sheep.

@ PrimeGrime Since you are out here with guns blazing lets actually put everything in it's correct place. Allow me to educate you on some facts. Your right Nintendo did not create the industry but they are the ones who single handedly saved it.

The video game crash of 1983, also known as Atari shock in Japan,[1] was a massive recession of the video game industry that occurred from 1983 to 1985. Revenues that had peaked at around $3.2 billion in 1983,[2] fell to around $100 million by 1985 (a drop of almost 97 percent). The crash was a serious event that brought an abrupt end to what is considered the second generation of console video gaming in North America.
The crash almost destroyed the then-fledgling industry and led to the bankruptcy of several companies producing home computers and video game consoles in the region, including the fastest-growing U.S. company in history at that point, Atari.[3] It lasted about two years, and many business analysts of the time expressed doubts about the long-term viability of video game consoles. The video-game industry was revitalized a few years later, mostly due to the widespread success of the Nintendo Entertainment System (NES), which was soft launched in New York City 1985 and had become extremely popular in North America by 1987.[4]
There were several reasons for the crash, but the main cause was supersaturation of the market with hundreds of mostly low-quality games which resulted in the loss of consumer confidence. The full effects of the industry crash would not be felt until 1985.

Your right look at the history Atari is part of the reason why the industry went down.

I love the Wii U too. It is a great console, but that does not mean it isn't far behind and suffering. I do not care about HD graphics and power in that regards.

But I care about features which Nintendo always seems to be a generation or two behind on.

I owned a GC when it was released and not a ps2 or xbox. But nobody can deny that the disk format they chose, the exclusion of a dvd player, or valid form of internet play did not hurt them.

Then the Wii followed suit. During this last generation we have seen consoles become the media hub. Not having any form of dvd or blueray player hurt them again. But who cares cause its just a gaming console anyways. But the wii's online functionality was a joke. The friend code system was pathetic at best. They had no mic support. They had an out of date resolution. The list goes on and on. I can go further back to the N64 where Nintendo really started to fall behind. The n64 and the Gamecube are 2 of my favorite consoles in terms of games, but it certainly highlights Nintendo's inability to make a console that is modern and on par with what else is on the market. With the exception of the Wii (which only sole cause everybody wanted to be in on the gimick), Nintendo has had terrible console sales in comparison to their competitors for many years now.

"diehards who defend them to the end" seems appropriate.

Why are you defensive? i didn't mention anything about console sales at all.I'm not even bashing Nintendo.Just telling it like it is.I'm talking about experience of what nintendo has delievered over the years.

Are you honestly satisfied with what they put out, software wise? Where's the UC2? The Journey? The LBP? The GoW's? The gran tourismos? just More mario in various situations.

Maybe i am in the majority.You said so yourself, Wii U is suffering.Their audience of moms and kids has moved on.Tablets and smartphones, or even PS3/360's.

Then again, i shouldn't expect rational critiquing of Nintendo from the "Editor @ Nintendo Enthusiast"

"Why are you defensive?"

Stopped reading there as you clearly don't know the difference between defending and genuinely not having an issue.

Whereas you think Nintendo is behind the times, many don't. Many just want games from Nintendo, many of which the Wii U doesn't have at the moment.

I'm not asking you to believe anything, I simply disagree with you. But keep calling people who enjoy Nintendo for what they've put out in the past and what they will and could put out in the future, "diehards", not like your vocabulary is that expansive in the first place. ;)

Oh and by the way, there's a legitimate difference between constructive criticism and picking at straws. I don't like to do the latter.

Meanwhile the PS3 has become the number one selling console worldwide. Durp.

I meant it mostly as a joke cause we all know the costs of these tariffs were passed onto the consumer. But it's seems no matter how vocal we are here in the states our "representatives" don't seem to care enough to represent us. And things are about to get worse.