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Xbox One Backwards Compatibility Still Possible, Says Rep

All signs up until now have said the system won't be. Now one MS rep says backwards compatibility hasn't yet been completely ruled out.

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Lovable4662d ago

OK so you need both consoles to be on...

*facepalm*

It really is backwards.

Godmars2904662d ago

But the Xbox One is the all in one system...

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gaffyh4662d ago

@Xmarks - So requiring you to still have your old console, is backwards compatibility and is ingenious? There is no logic in this statement. It is NOT backwards compatibility if you need your old console, you're just passing the HDMI through an obsolete device! And on top of that it would mean you can't take advantage of the TV features that MS is so proud of because the HDMI in will be in use.

I can't see how that is ingenious in any way. It's FAR easier, and more efficient to get a HDMI splitter, and have both a 360 and Xbone connected to your TV at the same time.

AzureskyZ4662d ago

@xmarks calling this ingenious have left me speechless-- news flash if this is considered backward compatible then using one of my many available hdmi port on my receiver count as backward compatible -- whats the point of compatibility if u cant remove the other system entirely? As much as everyone wanting to have backwards compatibility on both the one and sony-- i just dont see it feasible -- hardware emulation is too costly and software emulation requires a hardware far more powerful than what we will get from next gen consoles< remember that architecture is much different from last gen which was both power pc a risc design and now amd which is a cisc design>

3-4-54662d ago

@xmarks - ok Tell that to the 2 million people who planned on trading their Xbox 360 in for store credit towards an XB1 to get it $100 cheaper.

Now they can't.

Some will then go with PS4, or may still get the XB1, but won't have the Xbox 360 for the BC to work.

If we had tech for BC in games Decades ago, how can't we suddenly have it now.

We would have BC if they would have spent the money on that instead of Kinect.

StanSmith4662d ago

@3-4-5

I'm not sure what your point is. If these "2 million" that you say were trading their 360s in towards the new console, then they surely don't care about BC as wouldn't they be keeping their console?

Same with PS4. If a person cares about BC, they will keep their PS3 until the cloud service is fully up and running at least.

Neither console is truly backwards compatible. Those who care about BC won't sell their old consoles, those who don't will.

Spending money on Kinect hasn't stopped MS from including BC. The X86 architecture of both PS4 and Xbox One did.

jmac534662d ago

It's all-in-one, you just have to connect a cable box, a kinect, and now a 360. One box surrounded by smaller boxes.

Freedomland4662d ago

This article is irony, sarcasm or reality, i didn't get it.
If not these three styles, surely somebody lost it's mind.

kupomogli4662d ago

@XmarksDaSPOT

So Xbox One is backwards compatible with the PS3? With the Wii U?

Having HDMI In and utilizing it to use the other console doesn't mean it's backwards compatible, it just means you have an additional HDMI connection.

Most televisions have three or four HDMI inputs and I doubt the average person uses more than three.

rainslacker4662d ago (Edited 4662d ago )

@Xmarks

That's not BC. It could act that way if you could control your 360 using the X1, including control scheme, but there is no indication of that. It's an add-on solution if that's the case, and not a bad one as it allows those that care about BC bear the cost. I've even said I'd love for Sony to do this with an expansion of sorts...but I digress.

This rumor is no different than the rumor that surfaced before the reveal about being able to plug a new digital version of the 360 into the X1 and use it to play 360 games, but for this the physical game would have to be in the 360.

By your reasoning, we could say the X1 could also play PS4 games. Obviously that isn't the case. The X1 just acts as a pass through.

Razputin4662d ago

Gayffh,

Your argument is nill buddy. I am not supporting either console, as I do plan to get both.

But, um, do we need to bring back Sony fully dropped backwards compatibility with their PS3.

People are always ranting about the dumbest things.

What Xmarks said is completely true. Hell you can even do it with your PS3 since that seems like it will stop getting supported and since your PS4 won't be able to play them in the beginning so why complain about an amazing featuring that has LIMITLESS possibilities.

Enough with all the conflict debates. Just enjoy what you want to get. What the hell do you need to come to Xbox related news if you don't even want to get it.

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AzureskyZ4662d ago (Edited 4662d ago )

@xmark -- Cerny wasnt stupid enough to say this is backwards compatible or this is ingenious--- i could careless about hdmi in-- i have a receiver that does everything i need-- you are missing the point entirely --something like this isnt newsworthy nor is it worth praise-- if mcdonalds introduced a bigmac with extra lettuce would that constitute as being " ingenious"-- if it does-- then my friend the world is about to blow your mind hole.

@stansmith Thank God someone with logic-- very true both systems dont have compatibility because of the shift to x86-- it would require either a 360/ps3 chipset built into the system or require a system that can emulate power pc/cell/rsx etc-- it would require a system far more robust to emulate this than the specs we are getting-- its why sony decided the solution was via cloud-- although if the service can be delivered will be seen in 2014

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AzureskyZ4661d ago (Edited 4661d ago )

unfortunately this sites also reaks of people like you xmarks-- fanboys on both sides -- i find it funny that xbox fanboys tells others that they are sony fanboys based solely on not groveling over everything xbox--- you remind me of greenpowerz, futhermore there isnt any point debating any further as you arent capable of holding a logical discussion as your mind is already made up.

badz1494661d ago

Xbone is backward compatible because you can connect the 360 to its HDMI-in?? so...my home theater system is actually backward compatible with the 360 too now? you know, since I can connect a 360 to its HDMI-in!

on a serious note, there's no facepalm huge enough for this!

ALLWRONG4661d ago

Question is will they do a Sony and charge us for BC?

badz1494661d ago

@ALLWRONG

Sony charge for BC? wow...how long will you stick to that argument? do you know how stupid THAT argument is when you look at it from a wider perspective?

based on your logic, if you have the disc then Sony should let you play the said game on Gaikai for FREE? yes? ok, first of all, you're mistaking Gaikai, a cloud gaming service with backwards compatibility.

with Gaikai, your hardware is purely for streaming the contents but never as the platform where the said games are executed on. think about it as Netflix but for games. so, just like Netflix, you pay for what you view/play. for example if you have bought the Bluray of The Dark Knight Rises, You can't expect to go to Netflix and be able to stream the same movie for free just because you have the physical copy, right? that's what Gaikai is all about.

the PS4 will never be natively backwards compatible to the PS3 but Gaikai will allow streaming PS3 game on it. it's a service, and you have to pay for what you use. if you still wanna bitch about it, bitch to Netflix and those other streaming services too!

The_Con-Sept4661d ago

@xmarksthespot : Oh look! My HDTV has an extra HDMI input! Screw trying to calibrate my Xbox 1 with a new device when I can just push my Input button on my remote to instantly switch to my other HD device!

(Stupid lazy fanboy.)

thisismyaccount4661d ago

Yup, it´s a HTPC for the cheapsakte~rs.

gazgriff2k124661d ago

lol xbox one is compatible with ps3, ps4, wii u and pc but you need both at the same time.

yes xmarksdaspot we get the full grasp and still not impressed .

ms and sony should sell sku's like the 60g ps3 for full bc they would be expensive but people would pay. bc on ps4 and xbox is a much more important than the previous gen because of digital downloads of games and no need to release HD editions of past games

gaffyh4661d ago (Edited 4661d ago )

@Xmarks - Simple. Using your Xbone to play your 360 games means you will have to have BOTH your Xbox 360 AND Xbone plugged in and switched on. Having each of them connected to a HDMI splitter, they will have a separate HDMI slot, so you can use your Xbox 360 without switching the Xbone on. So you are using half the electricity = More efficient.

On top of this, the HDMI IN on the XBone will still be free so you can plug your cable box in, and use the TV features. If you plug your Xbox 360 in, you can't use any of these features. See, logic.

Also, there is nothing new about HDMI IN, there is nothing to "think up", the technology has existed for years, MS just decided to use it. You make it sound like they invented something new...

H0RSE4661d ago (Edited 4661d ago )

@badz149
"Sony charge for BC? wow...how long will you stick to that argument? do you know how stupid THAT argument is when you look at it from a wider perspective?"

And in this sentence, you have just outlined the basis for virtually every argument in the X1 vs PS4 debate, specifically regarding MS's initial reveal and controversial polices of the X1 and the unfavorable response many had in return - It all comes down to perspective.

Both and neither MS or Sony, as well as their polices and features, are good, bad, innovative or lame - it's just how you view them. I wish more people would come to this realization, and stop treating their views/opinions like they are facts. Then maybe they could see that much of the debate is meaningless banter, with the underlying goal of generating "points" for either side.

ALLWRONG4661d ago

@badz149 "Gaikai will allow streaming PS3 game on it. it's a service, and you have to pay for what you use."

Thanks for confirming exactly what I said. BC on
PS4 = pay. Thank you! that was easy.

Godmars2904661d ago

@ALLWRONG:
There's really only three ways Sony could BC via Genkai:

1) Directly attach BC to PS+. Make whatever is offered part of the subscription service they already have, much in the same way MS attaches Netflix and Facebook access.

2) Make it it's own, separate, subscription service along the lines of Gamefly. You pay a certain amount per month and get access to X amount of games.

3) You "buy" specific games one time accessing it through their service.

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Wikkid6664662d ago

Read the article again... It's says if b/c never comes around that you could always still hook the 360 to the One.

Cmk01214662d ago

at that point why not just turn on the 360 ya know? only benefit is to be able to get rid of old console and have games work on new system if not its pointless just turn on the old console

Soldierone4662d ago

Reminds me of my VCR days lol

Hufandpuf4662d ago

@Cmk

Lets say you run out of HDMI ports. Oh look, there's one in the new xbox! etc. etc.

dennett3164661d ago

BC on PS4 and One will be best served via cloud streaming. The act of of plugging a console into the One's HDMI IN port does not make the One backwards compatible...unless you and others are willing to suggest that the One is BC with PS3, PS4, Wii U and 360...as well as Ouya and any other box you can plug in via HDMI.
Hell, you might as well say the One is compatible with Steam, since you can pass through a PC signal via HDMI.

Both consoles changed their architecture to make games easier to develop and port across platforms...it was a change that was sorely needed, and only a few will criticise them for it. Passing HDMI through is not backwards compatibility...no matter what some of the more desperate defenders of Microsoft may cling to (like Xmarks up there).

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Zeref4662d ago (Edited 4662d ago )

Man I really hope they do bring backwards compatibility like with Xbox original games on the 360 with the emulator. but I guess bluray drives can't read DVD's?

I have a 360 but I just want one system and I'd hate to keep switching controllers.

@SonyPS4

OW well then there is no excuse, They should make an emulator.

SonyPS44662d ago

BD drives can read DVDs. PS3 and any BluRay player is compatible with DVD.

mxrider21994662d ago

the architecture of the systems are different ot bc of the disc format

VENOMACR4662d ago (Edited 4662d ago )

I dont know why people think this is such a big deal.

NES -> SNES
SNES -> N64
N64 -> Gamecube
Gamecube -> Wii

Not to mention Genesis, Saturn, Dreamcast. Just cause its a new technology age doesnt mean it has to be included.

None of those were backwards compatible so why is it such a big deal for Microsoft? Sorry, but I've never had the desire to play Forza 1, or Madden 2009, or Battlefield 2. Most people hold on to their old systems. And the name "Xbox One" is meant to be your all in one entertainment unit (it's a stupid name dont get me wrong) not your all in one do everything imaginable system. I want to watch a movie, tv, surf the web, download apps, play games, Skype, I've got one system for it. I could care less about backwards compatibility and I bet most people don't use this feature much. It's whatever to me but everyone makes it out to be a big deal.

Blastoise4662d ago

The Wii could play Gamecube games :|

GameSpawn4662d ago (Edited 4662d ago )

The Original Wii (not the WiiMini or WiiU) could play GameCube games because it literally still had the GameCube hardware inside because the Wii hardware was literally upgraded GameCube hardware. The core architecture of the console never changed, just some components (CPU and GPU) were faster - just a few minor components need to be left in for full backwards compatibility though ALL of the Wii related hardware (controllers, SD card and sensor bar) shuts off when you go to the GameCube mode.

The whole backwards compatibility thing comes out of the PS2 era with PS1 backwards compatibility. Just because people got a taste of it then they want it in all their consoles. As far as the PlayStation is concerned the PS2-PS1 BC and PS3-PS2/PS1 BC did have "glitches" with some games. Sure you got cool things like up-scaling and texture smoothing, but the game would always run better on the platform it was intended to be used with. This is the only reason I STILL have my PS1, PS2, and GameCube.

Hardware BC is expensive (it's literally two consoles in one) and Software BC will never be 100% and may never be glitch free on the games that do work.

Also remember hardware can only be easily done if the architecture doesn't change otherwise software must be in place to emulate any missing portions of the architecture. This means in the PS4 and Xbox One cases BOTH X86-based systems must emulate HIGHLY customized PowerPC processors (Mac users of Rosetta, a PPC emulator for Intel to run PPC applications, would know this comes at a great performance cost) and also emulate very customized Graphics chips. My PC emulates for PS2 fairly well graphically, but the sound in most of the games I've tested is atrocious because the software emulation isn't 100% to the original hardware nor does it take into account "tricks" devs used to get special visual or sound effects.

buynit4662d ago (Edited 4662d ago )

While its not a deal breaker for me i think it should be added, regardless if 8 bit systems never did it..

I would rather the experince feel like an upgrade not a, ok... Lets start all over with everything! I mean damn its like all of the sudden the 360 is a complete stranger that is no longer wanted in the family, take your games, headphones, hdd's and gtfo! Lol

@gamespawn

I really dont think its as hard as you make it seem, these consoles are powerfull i find it hard to believe that they need to have 2 consoles in one to make it happen. Then again i know nothing about this stuff, i just look at it as ok... These consoles can do ALL that stuff but it struggles to play a 360 or ps3 game?!

rainslacker4662d ago

We've just become kind of spoiled in this regard. The fact that Sony offered it on the PS2 was unheard of in the home console market for the time, and was a huge plus. The PS3 having it initially all the way to the PS1 was a pretty big surprise since they had 3 different architectures to work with. Sony removed it to make the cost of the console go down. Current PS1 implementation is all software, but before that it was all done by having the actual prior systems hardware in the system.

It's a nice feature, and one I will miss, but I grew up since the 2600. I have a fully BC PS3, so I'm covered on the PS side of things. Better to have one system than 3 for my retro fix. I still wouldn't be surprised if they keep PS1 BC in the system, since that's easily obtainable through software on the cheapest of PC's for quite a while now. But there was a rumor(maybe since confirmed) that the PS4 couldn't read CD discs. Not sure if that just meant music discs, or the physical medium in general.

I never thought it would be something worth not buying a console over though.

ALLWRONG4661d ago

@VENOMACR Those game systems used different formats. Disc based formats are easily compatible.

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avengers19784662d ago

The only way they will have b/c is if they have 360 games stream through the cloud, like playstation will have later on.

dennett3164661d ago

Agreed. PS4 may have emulatable PS1 and PS2 like the PS3 currently has...One may even have emulatable Xbox Original games (though they basically stopped doing that with 360).
Cloud streaming is pretty much the only solution for both to play this gen's games.

slapedurmomsace4662d ago

@ Lovable...for now...they're still checking into how to make it happen otherwise.

Yehshuah4661d ago

the first effin comment on n4g post is always sony fanboy smfh

MazzingerZ4661d ago

It sounds like the console is still in development when one read statement like this one...BC has to be tested and to a certain point documented what titles might not work properly. It would be better to say that it is not there today but could be added down the road.

CRAIG6674661d ago

Why is the term backwards compatible even being used here, ridiculous!

troncoparati4661d ago

MS has gone backwards a lot these days doing 180s with the XBone...maybe thats what he meant.

miDnIghtEr20C_SfF4661d ago

Lovable didn't even read the article. You can tell by his first post of this. Just another Sony fanboy hoping this isn't true because it will be something the X1 does that the PS4 cannot.

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Godmars2904662d ago

Guessing if it happens it'll be how Sony's planning to do it, through streaming, and if MS announces it much of the media will treat it as if it was never mentioned before.

MWong4662d ago

I would assume all that would be needed would be the correct emulation software and possibly all old games would need to be patched. Only problem I see is that it would require extra RAM and possible another chip to be included.

HammadTheBeast4662d ago

High end PC's can barely emulate PS2 games and 360 games, I doubt it would be possible.

Zeref4662d ago

@HammadTheBeast

The 360 could run Xbox original games flawlessly with an emulator. (Xbox>PS2 graphics-wise)

Your argument is invalid.

SonyPS44662d ago

Homemade PC emulators are poorly optimized and do not serve as an example. First party emulation is much more stable.

threefootwang4662d ago

@ Zeref

Flawlessly? Lol yeah ok. Everytime I tried playing Halo CE or Halo 2 on my 360 it ran like complete crap. 15-20 FPS, and consistent lags. The emulator in the 360 was absolutely brutal.

qu1ckset4662d ago

@threefootwang

I call bull on that, halo2 ran perfect on both my phat 360 and slim 360!

trickman8884662d ago

@HammadTheBeast

" High end PC's can barely emulate PS2 games"

WTF are you even smoking kid? They CAN emulate the damn games, and well i must say . More than 77% of PS2 games are fully playable with PCSX2(the PS2 emulator) to be played fully. For fucks sake I have a fucking LAPTOP that can handle PS2 games without issues under the proper settings.

Seriously people need to stop spouting out this dumb bull ****. You don't have a "high end PC" , and you have no clue what the hell you are talking about. Jesus./rant

threefootwang4662d ago

@qu1ckset

halo CE, halo 2, star wars battlefront, mech assault 1 & 2 all ran like garbage both on my original 360 and the refurb I got down the road. As soon as I'd play them on my original Xbox they'd run fine, which I still have to this day. I repeat: consistent lag and low fps.

maybe both of my 360s we're defective which I find very hard to believe (they played all current Gen games perfectly fine)

rainslacker4662d ago

The leaps in power between prior generations were actually quite a bit more than what we have this time. While emulation of original Xbox is likely entirely possible on the X1, and PS1/2 emulation is likely entirely possible on PS4, I don't see the next gen being powerful enough to emulate this gens hardware. The wildly different architectures don't help either. Even still, for the PS3, early BC was done all by hardware built into the system. Software emulation is fine for PS1 games, but PS2 games require some optimization and special digital releases on later systems.

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Queasy4662d ago

Don't know if a sales rep is a reliable source...

Zeref4662d ago

Well he does sound like he knows what he is talking about.

KrisButtar4662d ago

Backwards Compatibility is always the best feature in upcoming Gens.

A lot of my friends ran out and bought their PS3s when they found out they were removing it, They all prefer their 360s and I could see them all switching from PS4 pre-orders to XB1 pre-orders if Backwards Compatibility was offered.

Lovable4662d ago

I might do that too actually. BC is one of, if not, the most important feature in a new console.

theWB274662d ago

That doesn't make any sense...why do people act like they have to get rid of their old console just because a new gen starts. It makes the new consoles more expensive..next gen is for next gen gaming. Keep your old consoles....it's legal to do so.

Lovable4662d ago

@theWB27
Space. If I want to play my PS2 games(which I have tons), I would need my PS2, PS3 and PS4 beside my TV. But wait, what if I have a Wii U and Xbone? I can only connect so much on my TV. Reconnecting which console you want to play is a huge pain in the ass.

SilentGuard4662d ago (Edited 4662d ago )

I suggest getting a life beyond video games or a hobby room with more than one tv if you need that many consoles hooked up to play old games

Lovable4662d ago (Edited 4662d ago )

@Silent

Not sure how you arrive at that conclusion, but ok. Also, not sure how you tied in playing old games with having no life.

Khajiit864661d ago

But you will keep the 360 next to the x1 which are both bigger than ps2 or ps3 or ps4?

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The_Troll_Whisperer4662d ago

Gaikai is also bringing some of of the best rated franchises from PS3 to PS4 (hopefully remastered with better textures and such), so tell your buddies that before they do that, because this is a sales representative, so it's not entirely reliable.

OT- Both the Xbox One and 360 have to be on? I thought the Xbox One was a all in one system, I mean that's how I understand it so I may be wrong :/

Corpser4662d ago

Gaikai was supposed to launch this year, it's delayed to 2014, and now they said only selected titles would work so not all ps3 games. I wouldn't count on it, not looking too good

Funantic14662d ago (Edited 4662d ago )

I want to play the games I already own now on a next gen system without having to rebuy them.

KrisButtar4662d ago (Edited 4662d ago )

Gaikai is a feature/service that none of my buddies even care about because none have internet.(reason they pre-ordered PS4's instead of XB1 in the 1st place) XB1 having BC(not running the 360 through the One) would play a major part in them switching up their pre-orders, seeing as they each have more than 100 games on the 360

Nivalis4662d ago (Edited 4662d ago )

@KrisButtar

"Gaikai is a feature/service that none of my buddies even care about because none have internet."

Theyre going to have fun downloading the day1 patch to remove the stupid drm and actually play their games then if they switched to xbone preorders, arent they lol.

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Ratty4662d ago

I don't think BC is that important personally but it would be a good move on Microsoft's part. I'm keeping my PS4 pre-order whatever happens though.

Dagobert4662d ago

Having a 360 game in an Xbox 360 while having that on you also connect it to an Xbox One is a good move on Microsoft's part in what way? You know that's not backwards compatibility right? That's actually stupid and a waste of electricity, you might as well have the 360 connected to the TV and play your game on that instead of connecting it to an Xbox One and having them both on.

Khajiit864661d ago

Once in a while I want to go back and play some games. Im ready to move to next gen after just a couple more games on my ps3

Ratty4661d ago

@Dagobert

I agree with you that's borderline retarded. I meant actual BC would be a good move on Microsoft's part.

RadioActiveTwinky4662d ago

http://gaikai.com/

This is how the ps4 is bringing backwards compatibility to the system. Not through disks.
The only draw back is that this is going to be obviously a psn+ feature.

Dagobert4662d ago

Ehh, still not real backwards compatibility. You still have to rebuy your old games again if you want to play them on the PS4. Also it's just select titles that Sony decides on or however it is they decide what games go up on Gaikai. So lets say there's some niche titles but because it's targeting a smaller audience Sony doesn't see it being profitable by putting it on Gaikai.

Digital only crap sucks for game collectors like me. I hope Sony decides to bring real backwards compatibility to the PS4 some day.

Belking4662d ago

And you have to be connected. Something fanboys turned their nose up at for xbox-one.

RadioActiveTwinky4662d ago

@Dago
No you dont need the copy of the previous game. Thats like saying you need a copy of a movie or tv show your going to watch on Netflix.
Yes you are correct about selected titles. But, they span from ps1 to ps3 so it sounds like it just might be quiet an extensive list.
These titles are not for you to keep like the movies on netflix.
Think of it as your ps4 like a gaming netflix but with only ps1 through ps3 titles.

@belk
This is why I stated you probably will need psn+ for that service. You dont need it. Its an option.
Also Guess what? You need to be connected to watch Netflix. This feature is the equivalent to netflix, but for games.

rainslacker4662d ago

@Radio

Dago isn't wrong though. It's not BC. BC is being able to put in a physical/or digitally purchased copy of a game into the system, and playing that game on said system.

Gaikai may offer a modified form of BC, but it is far from ideal. For one it requires an internet connection, so right off the bat you are at the whim of the service provider.

Secondly, you are restricted to whatever games they may happen to offer on their service.

Third, it may not allow you to play games that you already own unless you purchase a digital copy of that game, so it's not BC, it's a way to sell another copy of the game.

For someone like me that kind of sucks if it doesn't work for physical, since I own about 150 PS2 games, and about 200 PS1 games. Why would I want to spend another $5-10 just for the ability to play it on a new console?

Don't get me wrong though. I would love BC more than anything. But it's hardly something I would avoid the console over. We are neither entitled to or guaranteed BC in any new system.

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McScroggz4662d ago

Shouldn't games, or the promise of games by respected studios, be the number one feature in a new console?

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Fireseed4662d ago

I'm ok with the idea of plugging my cable box into my Xbox for TV, but I think it's because of repressed nightmares that I feel uncomfortable about playing another gaming device... into my gaming device :(

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Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle16d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7716d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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I remember playing this back in the day on PS2. What a sick game!

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Outside_ofthe_Box22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster300022d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv7221d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit21d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania22d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit21d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot0721d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr22d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box21d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr21d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire9521d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv7221d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

--Onilink--21d ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv7221d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket21d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm21d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde21d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster9221d ago (Edited 21d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_22d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted22d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit21d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster9221d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT22d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers22d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz14921d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot0721d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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