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Microsoft hardware changes, price and power consumption

Microsoft have answered some further questions about the Xbox One console hardware and price-point.

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Wizziokid4660d ago ShowReplies(5)
iamnsuperman4660d ago

I wouldn't say this information is new but it does clarify some of the "rumours" people have said to be false (like hardware changes and price). What I want to know is it dangerous having the system stand vertically (not a deal breaker just out of curiosity)

nick3094660d ago

Yes, as it will block the air flow.

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p0tat0stix4659d ago

Thank you @nick309 for being the only one on this entire feed to actually reply to what was being asked.

See irrelevant tangents below.

user55757084659d ago

hopefully the advertise that to everyone because overheating consoles don't need to happen again...if it did that would be the final nail in the coffin IMO

pyramidshead4660d ago (Edited 4660d ago )

A certain user on here that loves talking about the Xbox One CPU/GPU isn't going to be pleased with this news lol

British_Knight4660d ago

Software is just as important as CPU/GPU. PS4's hardware is more powerful. But Microsoft has a definitive advantage in software.

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The Meerkat4660d ago

Good_news To be fair to British_Knight I don't think he's talking about quantity.

MS do have a lot of good software. Internet, compression, streaming, networking are all things that MS do well.

Tatsuya 4660d ago

@British_Knight

You mean for now, come gamescom PS4 will trashes and smashes the Xbone when it comes to software as well. Just you wait and see :)

Saigon4660d ago

@British_Knight

I think that statement you made is one of my biggest problems with the Xbone from my perspective it is a great system that lacks certain flair. My turn offs is mainly with the mandatory Kinect, the TV integration, and of course the games.

Grant it the Kinect can be disabled but it is more for social entertainment; so for MS to include it as a main function throws the system off just little.

The TV implementation is a nice feature, but I would get sick of it after a while; but at least it is an option to use.

As far as the games, people need to really get over themselves with that. If MS history of games on the Xbox was strong I wouldn't complain but it isn't. The games they showed at E3 were good at most but some fans think they all will be available within the launch window which is highly incorrect. The Xbox is a 3rd party hustler. It pushes 3rd party games on to its fan base like the game didn't release on another console. That's a good mantra but it doesn't sustain the product. I do admit MS is trying with the games but it is still not enough. Instead of wasting money on another companies product they need to invest their money into their own studios or buy more studios. Its not that hard, with that billion invested in the games they could have purchased several quality studios that would have sustained the MS legacy. Throwing money around doesn't always solve everything.

I know I will get disagrees for this but it is my opinion, it won't stop me from getting the Xbone, which I will most likely, in a year or two.

NewWhiteFeather4660d ago

@ Saigon

Out of curiosity, why should MS buy more studios and have more first party games?

slimpickens4660d ago

I see were "Saigon" is coming from and really hope MS brings exclusives all generation long this time. Seriously who wants only 3rd party games along with Halo, Gears, and Fable repeats only? When you buy a console you buy it for its exclusive games and content. Who in the right mind can justify what MS did last generation. It was kinect and 3rd party focused only which I hope has changed.

Honestly I thank Sony for getting the games message across to MS. They were obviously to arrogant to pay attention to what fans wanted and expected. For years they crapped in my face along with many other day one supporters until finally the world all jumped in. It was like a fight to release slaves and the world all came together in the name of freedom.

I simply prefer Xbox over PS but that doesn't mean I don't like PS brand. When I read these arguments I laugh because I seriously can't believe people fight over this stuff.

RememberThe3574660d ago

@NewWhite: No sh!t.

@Bright_Night: Aside from Quontom Break, there were no games on the Xbone that I wanted. What are you guys seeing on Xbone that has to so apparently excited? It's like all the Knack "fans." I can't help but smell bullsh!t.

Saigon4660d ago (Edited 4660d ago )

@NewWhiteFeather

For one you build a great fanbase by doing so. Lets look at the studio (Ensemble Studios) that created Age of Empire Series. The company made a name for themselves and MS backed them completely. They redefined how Real Time strategies should be played. MS used their worth and when they dismissed the studio they created another studio based off the original. Though under the same company MS still funds and back the company completely. What is so difficult for MS to do the same with console games. They had bungie and just let them go. I understand their worth grew and grew but they could have kept them and refocused their efforts. Sony has done the same with several of its studios by creating a second studio for ND and SM.

Its about building a legacy. How do you think Nintendo became Nintendo. Like I said earlier its not always about how much money you can throw in someones face.

NewWhiteFeather4660d ago

@Saigon, I understand what you're saying but I don't understand WHY you're saying it. As a gamer, I will purchase both systems because there are exclusives on each I would like to play. Also as a gamer, I would like to one day be able to choose a single system and play all the games with all the people all the days. I would like to one day choose my preference (like Mac vs PC) and play with those who chose the other. There's headway being made in that department for console gaming, but if the console developers keep buying up studios we'll never get there.

Death4659d ago

Microsoft could absolutely back more studios then they have with the 360. How many more is the question. Sony has aquired many studios, but they haven't all been worth it. Some of their better known franchises are no longer around and their development studios are gone. The handful of studios that consistantly put out great games that sell well are what people see. For every Last of Us, there are several games that lose money.

Sony and Microsoft are very different in their approach to first parties. Sony offers a great variety with few getting the recognition and sales they deserve. Microsoft focuses on a small portion of games that are "safe" and sell very well. I believe the best solution is somewhere in between which is where both companies seem to be headed.

Rhinoceros4659d ago

They still haven't posted official specs. Dev kits were only sent out a little while ago, they could easily have tweaked things up until that point. Think critically.

Saigon4659d ago

@NewWhiteFeather,

I understand what you mean in that last post but it doesn't mean I am not a gamer. I do want the Xbone eventually its just not my first choice at the moment. I will gauge the reactions for the next few months after release and determine if it would be worth purchasing ASAP or wait a while. We are close with your argument with these next installment of systems, since they are fairly similar. I will be honest, I do not think this will ever happen. It would be nice, but remember some do not like a monopoly and with the ever changing world, options will be needed.

@Death,

You made a perfect statement about each of the console makers. I never truly looked at that their individual strategy that way. I do admit that some games Sony have offered in the past are no longer continued or even developed anymore. Some game fans hope that will change and they release newer versions of some classics. Its to each its own.

NewWhiteFeather4659d ago

@Saigon, I didn't meant to imply you weren't a gamer. Simply that the goal I hope we one day achieve is as I stated above and that's my opinion as A gamer. Just one gamer.

A monopoly isn't necessary to achieve that goal, however. They can keep churning out individual systems and supporting them, just allow them to connect to eachother. Then people could play what they want on what system they want.

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blackstrr4114660d ago

I was never a fan of placing my xbox vertical from the beginning. But from indications that's how it ws supposed to be placed. I hope its not the case with this one

iamnsuperman4660d ago

Nor was I with my PS3 fat. That big thing needed a lie down

iSneak4660d ago

I read yesterday that the one is made to be horizontal due to it's cooling system design/airflow.

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malokevi4660d ago

"You'll find no consumers here boy!!! Only rabid fanboys such as yourself the only consumer your convincing are other Sony fanboy looking for bubbles and high fives "

lol... had to quote that. So awesome, so true. Its like a big popularity contest.

Personally, I FEED off of N4G disagrees. They are like fuel to my fire. Validating my beliefs, confirming my suspicions, making me smile with a certain giddy delight that comes with the knowledge that my rational is justified.

Smoking PCP at 7am on a Tuesday.

blackmanone4660d ago (Edited 4660d ago )

"Personally, I FEED off of N4G disagrees. They are like fuel to my fire. Validating my beliefs, confirming my suspicions, making me smile with a certain giddy delight that comes with the knowledge that my rational is justified."

That's called a troll, buddy, and it's not a new concept to the internet. Sad people do sad things. You're no different.

malokevi4660d ago

Everybody is different! :)

TwistedMetal4659d ago

you messed up in the head bro.

Kryptix4659d ago

If disagrees makes you feel better and validates your beliefs then you just like being in denial. lol

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thetruthx14659d ago

I don't understand the paranoia involved with Kinect whatsoever. If you don't want it on all the time unplug the console or better yet keep a black shirt or towel over the censor it's not a big deal

buynit4659d ago

I don't get it either... If the government wanted to spy on you they either already have and or don't need kinect to o so..

You know why? Cause eventually you will make a phone call off your cell phone that has a camera. Eventually you will get on a high way and guess what's on the high way?! He'll it's even on damn near ever intersection now. Then they have drones..

I like what kinect brings to the table, while my mind has been made on getting the ps4 first I can not knock on kinect I think it was a smart move by ms to include it with the console and I hope they don't take it out, I don't see how they would since its o integrated with the console it's not just an add on anymore..

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BigBoss19644660d ago

And what of us who don't want the Kinect shoved down our throats

pacostacos4660d ago (Edited 4660d ago )

buy a ps4 or wii u or build a gaming pc or a ps3 or an xbox 360 or a 3ds or a vita or an ouya or a nvidia shield...etc or nothing at all If you dont want kinect then dont get an xbox one simple as that other people dont mind it or like it those people will probably buy an xbox one. Nobody is forcing you to buy anything much less "shoving down your throat" if you dont want something dont get it simple as that

Gster4660d ago

I know what your sayin, but this guy could have been a loyal 360 player for years and built up a great friendship with a lot of players. He prob doesn't want to switch been his console of choice. But because he's not too keen on kinect or maybe hasn't got the bread for it or whatever, he's left with no choice.

Bigpappy4660d ago

the answer will obviously be the same, as the X1 comes with Kinect.

So his choice are PS4, wii-u or PC as a core gamer.

asmith23064660d ago

What a stupid response. What about the loyal Xbox gamers who love Halo, Forza, etc. and don't want to use Kinect or have no use for it? OP is right, Microsoft are shoving Kinect down peoples throat.

Death4659d ago

I'm not a Kinect fan, but I would like to know how it will affect the overall experience. If it is anything like the current version, it will be a waste. If it is as good as they say AND gets the proper support it will definately be a step forward in gaming.

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gnothe14660d ago

THEN BUY A PS4 its that simple...WHO WOULD BE SO STUPID AN BUY SOMETHING THEY DONT WONT...

Underworld4660d ago

But a lot of people want the X1 but don't want Kinect. Requiring it is stupid, IMO.

UnHoly_One4660d ago

Well, see that's the thing, Underworld.

The XB1 and Kinect are one and the same and can't be taken apart.

You either want the whole package or you don't.

When I bought a new Wrangler a few months ago, in order to get the features I wanted, I also had to get Sirius satellite radio. I didn't want Sirius, I'll never use Sirius, but it was part of the package.

I didn't bitch about Sirius being "shoved down my throat", I didn't complain that Jeep was being unfair for not catering to the people that wanted the fancy stereo system but didn't want Sirius.

I just picked what I wanted, and bought the damn thing. It came with stuff I didn't want, but that was part of the deal and that's just how it is.

I don't really want a Kinect either, but I want an XB1, so I'm going to buy the whole package and not bitch about it.

Bubblesman4660d ago

Unholy- Did Jeep make you pay an extra 25% on top of your purchase for this stuff you didn't want?

They might have charged you $500 bucks on a 20k purchase. It's not the same as paying an extra $100 on a $400 purchase.

UnHoly_One4660d ago

@Bubblesman

Honestly I have no idea what the extra cost was, but you are obviously correct, it wasn't like 8,000 dollars, so the percentage is obviously not the same. lol

I was just using it as an example.

I could also go with something like a Cable company's channel packages and channels that I don't want, but have to get in order to get the ones I do want. That would probably turn out to be a more accurate thing in terms of percentages.

H0RSE4660d ago (Edited 4660d ago )

UnHoly's post (3.2.2) is an example of "being a grownup."

If you want something, you either buy it or you don't - it's really that simple. When options are presented to you, and you *have* to have one of them, you choose the one that best suits your needs, and if none of them are up to your standards, then you don't buy anything. You don't throw a tantrum because it isn't exactly how you want it.

If you desperatly wanted to get an X1, but the mandatory Kinect is keeping you from purchasing it, then the way I see it is that you really don't want an X1 that badly. Like in UnHoly's example - he didn't forgo purchasing his Jeep because it came with features he didn't like. We wanted the Jeep, that was the only way to get, so he manned up and bought it.

This isn't about simply settling for whats available, it's about comparing the options and making a decision based on them. If you simply "must" have an X1 without a Kinect, then either buy an X1 and never use the Kinect, or wait until they release a "without Kinect" version. Of course, if the Kinect is an integral or mandatory as people are saying, then releasing a version without a Kinect, would be like releasing a version without a PSU.

I think many of you are seeing the Kinect as a peripheral, and therefore instantly think "optional" or "not needed," but this may not be the case, and if the Kinect truly is an integral part of the X1 experience why would ever want a Kinect-free version?

UnHoly_One4660d ago

Thanks H0RSE, I appreciate the backup.

And you have it exactly right. People see Kinect as this separate thing that you don't need, because in the past, that is how it has always been with a device like that.

The problem is, that is the wrong way to look at it. It is a part of the system. As much as the controller that you will hold in your hand.

Whether every game or app takes advantage of it is not the point, it is a part of the system, and it needs to be there, in order for the XB1 to be the product that MS wants it to be.

MS's vision of how the XB1 will integrate into your living room and into your life involves Kinect, like it or not. They want to change the way people interact with their TV, and they can't do that if it is an optional component.

They are surely taking a little risk in doing this, as it may get them off to a slow start. But I think their game plan for this is that it is something that will slowly catch on and build momentum when people see it in action, and in the end they just might be an integral part in millions of living rooms around the world.

AceBlazer134660d ago

@Unholy you have a choice to watch the channels in the package though their not all gonna get cut off if you choose to avoid the ones you dont want

Death4659d ago

Let's be honest, PS3 didn't need Blu-ray and it did nothing for gaming. Did PS3 fans bitch or did they hope games would be in "TrueHD" and longer? Neither happened, but the possibility was there. XboxOne gamers hope Kinect is actually used and not a gimmick like the original or PSEye which got almost no support. Being included with every console increases the chance it is used immensely.

ravinash4659d ago

"Blu-ray and it did nothing for gaming"... ar you kidding?

Both new consoles are now going to have Blu-ray, so it must have done something. not only did I not have to change CDs whe playing, but I could watch all my HD film on there as well.
It was a fantastic investment from Day 1 when I got it right up till now.

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Salooh4660d ago

You people are selfish . Just because you like the lame kinect doesn't mean all people must accept it. Option like the ps4 is the solution . Even if X1 released amazing games like gears1 and alan wake i would never go and buy X1 because of kinect . I play games and i'm not paying more then 100$ for kinect that i won't use and spy on me..

JeffGUNZ4660d ago

Give it a rest, I hate to break it to you but MS does not give a sh*t what you're doing with your life. To think they actually have people spying on you through kinect is just pathetic.

4Sh0w4660d ago (Edited 4660d ago )

@14Feb-R
"You people are Selfish" ??? No you got it backwards, its you who are selfish, you know as well as I do that cutting kinect will mean it wont have nearly as much support from 3rd party devs as it is already getting right now in launch games, essentially if you got your way those of us who still bought Kinect separately would suffer because we'd be paying for something that would get limited use like ps4 ps eye and move. You get to experience non kinect gaming on so many other great platforms. X1 is the ONLY place we get to experience kinect standard but no you want it to be just like ps4 too. HOLDING US BACK FROM ENJOYING A WIDE VARIETY OF GAMES WITH NEW OPTIONS JUST BECAUSE YOU DONT WANT TO IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF SELFISH.

I'm glad "you people" arent getting a X1, please be a man of your word and never ever, ever, ever buy an X1 with Kinect, so I wont ever have to hear about your make believe BS stories about micro spying on you in your panties.

GodGinrai4660d ago

" doesn't mean all people must accept it."

And that why you can go buy a PS4. if you dont want it you dont have to. Are you actually having a hard time accepting that you DONT have to buy an X1 if you DONT want too?

Salooh4660d ago

Come on guys , WTH !

So demanding for option is selfish now !

MS maybe not interested in spying but they are giving the option to the people who want to spy. I'm not someone who feel safe when a camera in my house work all day and connected to the internet , that's not a stupid reason ..

If developers don't want to support it then it's not my problem and only means that they dont need it ..

n4rc4660d ago (Edited 4660d ago )

How about flipping that coin..

You aren't being selfish by saying what we want doesnt matter?

You dont feel safe because of it?! Wow.. Not stupid.. But surprising to say the least

andibandit4660d ago

My god this is neverending,

If the kinect isnt supported 110% im skipping the box. Btw i met a dude on the street who says he wanted nvidia gpu in the x1, ms should make it optional or else ms sucks......

Death4659d ago

My Vita has 2 camera's in it. Ever since all these people started to warn me about the possibilites having cameras makes, I've been absolutely terrified to use it. What if someone is watching me while I play games? What if someone is watching people around me playing games? I can't possibly use it anymore.

Sounds stupid doesn't it?

Salooh4659d ago (Edited 4659d ago )

I put a sticker on the vita camera and it's not always on nor connected to the internet. So your comparison is not fair.

UnHoly_One4659d ago

Holy Christ, if you ACTUALLY cover your Vita camera with a sticker out of fear of getting spied on I'm going to laugh my ass off for days.

Please tell me you are just joking, omg.

LMFAO what is wrong with you people??

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DiRtY4660d ago

don't comment on Xbox One articles would be a start.

sAVAge_bEaST4660d ago

^^^^ above comments ^^^^

wow,. putting those multi-troll-accounts to use,. huh!?!

REDAVUTSTUVADER4660d ago

you don't know what your missing. trust me kinect 2 is something you did not know you wanted.

GraveLord4660d ago

Be careful speaking your mind. You'll get dozens of disagrees and bubbled down for trolling. Who needs options? Let Microsoft shove whatever they want down our throats. You as a consumer have a right to not buy it and at $100 cheaper the PS4 is a very attractive option.

Camera or no camera. People mostly look at the price tag. Call of Duty is the most popular game out there. That doesn't require Kinect, most people don't want Kinect. It really is that simple.

PimpDaddy4660d ago

A known Sony troll in another XB1 article appealing to the masses about disagrees and bubble down votes? Are you serious? Look at the members on this site with the most bubbles and 90 percent of them are Sony loyalists. Hippocrate much???

You are right consumers have a right NOT to buy an XB1 if they don't want Kinect. Or not pay $500.00 because they think Kinect isn't worth the price increase over the PS4.

Just like last generation consumers had a right to NOT buy the PS3 if they didn't want Blu-Ray. And not pay for the price increase over the 360 because they didn't think Blu-Ray was worth it.

Bottom line is both Microsoft and Sony have both pushed hardware in their consoles to "improve" the experience for their consumers.

JokesOnYou4660d ago (Edited 4660d ago )

Exactly Pimp, lol, its comical Gravelord is actually trying to pretend 14Feb-R comments are about just "speaking your mind", gtfo their the worst kind of trolls, make me wish for nasim back at least he was honest "I hate xbox" and so you could just laugh and move on, these stealth trolls try to actually pretend they are providing us some kind of public service.

Gekko364660d ago

@BigBoss1964 Well it's not an extra, it's part of the system, if it upsets you so, either come to terms with it, don't buy one or learn to deep throat. It's remarkable easy :D

Condemnedman4660d ago

Dont use it just, like i dont want singstar shoved down my throat by sony , I just dont use it !

its quite simple, how about you see what it will offer before making some rabid comment . You have not used it with the xbox one have you? so you dont know what it will offer .

FunkMacNasty4660d ago

BigBoss1964 says:
"And what of us who don't want the Kinect shoved down our throats "

Lets be honest pal, the guys with the Kratos and Nathan Drake avatars ARENT BUYING AN XBONE. Nobodys "forcing anything down your throat" when your clearly not even interested in or planning on purchasing an XB1.

So therefore, you came here to TROLL an XBOX article, just like 85% of the other losers who are commenting here. Bubble me down, disagree all day, ban me.. I dont give a sh*t, but its jerks like you who are ruining internet gaming articles EVERYWHERE with your ignorance and lack of tolerance for people with differing opinions.

Nivalis4659d ago

Or he could just, you know, like kratos?, does that automatically mean he isnt going to buy an xbox one or has no intention what so ever of owning own? not at all, you are simply making a judgement call, a bad one at that, on something so meaningless as an avatar, to justify your reaction to it.

He could just as easilly change his avatar to a picture of a gears character, would that then mean he was an xbox fan and give any more credence to his post? no, because that would be silly wouldnt it - its just easier to say "SONY FAN NOT BUYING IT ANYWAY STFU AND GO AWAY" then actually properly respond regarding the requirement to have kinect included in the package (from microsofts own accounts, doubling the price of the console), when he may not want to play kinect based titles or use the features, and quite rightly so.

Dont be so touchy.

H0RSE4659d ago (Edited 4659d ago )

@AceBlazer13

"you have a choice to watch the channels in the package though their not all gonna get cut off if you choose to avoid the ones you dont want."

- And in that sentence, you just showed why the Kinect is a potential integral part of the X1, and why they are sold together as a package. It's essentially a case of "you can't ave one without the other." In trying to prove a point, you actually proved the point of your opponent - congratulations.

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Sadist34660d ago

Since Sony shoved blu-ray and a $600 price tag down our throats with the PS3, the Xbox with more features and a $500 price tag doesn't seem so bad.

British_Knight4660d ago

I don't understand the big deal about the $499 price. Yes, PS3 cost $599, which is expensive, and I bought one. People spend $499 on iPads, $200 on iPhones + $100 a month on a cell phone bill. I think people are accustom to spending large amounts of money on technology now. PC gamers spend more than $499 on graphics cards.

iamnsuperman4660d ago (Edited 4660d ago )

I think phones are different as we can buy them on contracts without straining our wallets and also they have become almost necessary to own one now. Game console are not necessary.

iPads are a little different but they are almost replacing laptops and computers to a certain degree which again is a necessity to people. There portability and function makes the price worth it.

Sadly to the mass market game consoles are not seen as a necessity which is why they have to be strategically priced. Look what is happening to the Wii U. Bad pricing isn't helping that system

JeffGUNZ4660d ago

@iamnsuperman

Yeah, and the Xbox One will replace my Xbox 360 for the next 10 years. $499 for 10 years of enjoyment, doesn't sound so bad to me.

ironwolf4660d ago

Its because its tough for most of the "gamers" on this site to convince mommy to put out the extra hundred bucks.

GodGinrai4660d ago

"Its because its tough for most of the "gamers" on this site to convince mommy to put out the extra hundred bucks."

Hahaha!thats probably true too!

vigilante_man4660d ago

British Knight you are making us Brits look daft with your crazy arguments.

We are still in a recession and the 360 has always been on some kind of sale price in the UK. the £429 is almost double that price.

Also, most devices like smart phones and tablets are sleek and powerful not massively bulky. We have a lot smaller properties in the UK due to our limited land space.

The price and the size are the 2 biggest obstacles to people wanting this in their living rooms not to mention the much smaller kids bedroom.

Gekko364660d ago

@vigilante_man

"Also, most devices like smart phones and tablets are sleek and powerful not massively bulky. We have a lot smaller properties in the UK due to our limited land space.

The price and the size are the 2 biggest obstacles to people wanting this in their living rooms not to mention the much smaller kids bedroom. "

What a load of bollocks!! Smaller houses? Yes, I agree, but to say it's too expensive and it won't fit in most houses, the original xbox was bigger than this one and it fitted fine in a shitty little bungalow and the 360 with the kinect works fine in my flat for work.

OK £429 is a lot but nothing compared to TV's at the mo.

Plus the amount of mates on benefits I know who have massive TV's and the latest console is unreal. It's not down the price tag, it's down to whether the marketing makes you want to buy one.

JokesOnYou4660d ago (Edited 4660d ago )

"I think phones are different as we can buy them on contracts without straining our wallets and also they have become almost necessary to own one now."

iamnsuperman, yeah they are for the most part necessary but don't act as if you can't buy a $15 cell phone with no contract and pay only for as much service as you need.
http://www.walmart.com/brow...

The point is sony forced bluray, whether you liked it or not because they believed it improved the game experience enough that it was worth the push, it wasn't necessary last gen but you still paid for it. Actually all last gen proved was how little bluray contributed to games, how many huge multiplat games still running on 1 dvd? Now of course with bigger games to make use of 10x more RAM we finally NEED bluray this gen. I remember the hype about how in a couple years 360 games would suffer because of the limited dvd format but now here in 2013 I can't think of any ps3 game that was NOT possible without bluray? I'd say although Kinect isn't a must to play games it certainly adds more tangible things to the experience, whereas bluray just added more space on a single disc.

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pompombrum4660d ago

Features many people don't care for or want that's being shoved down our throat though. For the ps3, the blu ray aspects paid off and with the size of some games, have proven it's worth. Hopefully Microsoft can prove the kinect device's worth too in the near future.

SquillieDeeWilliams4659d ago

Many of us DO want these features though, I for one do.

WeAreLegion4660d ago

The PS3 was also $500 at launch. It was a 20 Gb. The $600 PS3 was the 60 Gb. Why do people forget that? And blu-ray was a necessity. I think they proved that when Microsoft decided to use it, as well.

torchic4660d ago

best comment I've seen in a while.

I just sit here in frustration while reading all these comments suggesting that the base price for a PS3 was 599 when it was actually 499

bubs

Foxgod4660d ago

Actually, the fact that MS never used blu-ray in the 360, shows that blu ray wasnt a necessity at all.

If Blu ray was a necessety current gen, then why are games like GTAV running perfectly fine on the 360?

For next gen i do agree Blu ray is needed, but it wasnt needed last gen at all, and Sony did in fact cram it down people's troath so that Blu ray would have a bigger chance of becoming the standard.

zebramocha4660d ago

@weare depending on the model you got bc with ps2,blu ray allow more content on the ps3,though it was games specific,with xbone you are getting virtual remote and a console the could interface with your cable box.

GraveLord4660d ago

The thing is that the PS3 was more powerful than the 360 and it introduced Blu-Ray tech into gaming. IT WAS WORTH THE PREMIUM.

It wasn't like blu-ray was something people didn't need or want, you do need it as all PS3 games are stored on blu-rays. Look at the movie industry now, Blu-Ray is the standard for HD home movies. Video Games have only gotten bigger and bigger. Look at 360 and how many games now need multiple DVDs.

Now, lets look at Xbox One and why IT IS NOT worth the premium price tag.
-Kinect isn't new anymore, its old tech. It's already been introduced and people didn't buy games for it. No one cares that this one is more accurate or can track more fingers. One a fad fades, let it. The Wii --> Wii U transition is proof of that.

-So why bundle the Kinect with Xbox One when MS knows the majority of its fanbase doesn't want it? It's anti-consumer. You need to give people options. They like that.

-Kinect isn't the standard and it never will be. Kinect isn't suited for games. No matter how accurate the thing gets, it will never be suitable for gaming. EVER. So why force gamers to buy something that is horrible for gaming?

-Power. At $500 the Xbox One is $100 more expensive than the PS4 and less powerful. That is ridiculous, don't you think? The Xbox name isn't worth a premium, MS should have learned that from Sony back in 2006. Microsoft isn't Apple.

-Windows 8 Metro UI. Now, I don't own an Xbox 360 myself so I can't attest to its ease of use or responsiveness. XBO will take this W8 integration even further. This can be a good or a bad thing.

-Guide is gone. That's right, no longer will you be able to quickly check your messages and game invites via small central menu. You'll have to go all the way to the dashboard and maybe even view some ads on the way. Now, XBO will be much faster than the 360 so speed may not be an issue, but it seems impractical to take 1 step forward and 2 steps back.

So long story short, Blu-Ray is useful for gaming and was worth the premium. Kinect isn't useful for gaming and isn't worth the premium.

andibandit4660d ago

I dont like gddr5, why are sony shoving it down our throat, it should be optional!!!

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British_Knight4660d ago

Kinect 2.0 is a vast improvement over the original connect.

- SInce every XB1 owner will have Kinect developers will create innovative ways to incorporate Kinect into hardcore games. Also, Kinect is extremely useful in non-gaming aspects of XB1.

- PS4's hardware is more powerful. However, Microsoft, which their extremely deep pockets, chose DDR3 Ram for a reason. Furthermore, XB1's software trumps PS4's software. Micro$oft is a software company who happens to rank #41 on Forbes Global 2000 list. Sony ranks #506 on the list. Software is just as important as hardware.

- You own a PS3, but you don't own a 360 - I own both. 360's UI is more user friendly than PS3's.

- XB1 has more features - I'm extremely excited for the $400m partnership with the NFL, HDMI-in and Kinect.

Lastly, Sony chose to incorporate Blu Ray into the PS3, which was a bold move. Microsoft played it safe by choosing an attachable HD-DVD player to 360. Blu Ray beat HD-DVD and Sony was the victor in that category. Now, Microsoft has incorporated Blu Ray into XB1 thanks to Sony; that's smart.

However, if you want to crown which system or company has made the biggest impact on gaming from a features perspective, Microsoft (XBOX) wins because Microsoft introduced online gaming.

gamer20134659d ago (Edited 4659d ago )

As far as the PS3 was concerned theoretical performance means squat. Most developers agreed that the differences between both consoles were miniscule and depended mostly on which trade offs between the two were preferred most. I've personally played just about every graphically hyped game there is on my PS3 and not one has been graphically consistent. GT5 was a great example of this. Sony fanboys cherry pick the best looking parts and overhype them to ridiculous levels and ignore all the mediocre areas of these games, all the while boasting about the "powa of da mighty PS3!" Pahleeeze!

We didn't really need Blu-Ray at the time, HDDVD was sufficient. Cloud technology, digital downloading and streaming is the future this is fact. Might as well embrace it now.

Nobody is saying that Kinect will take over the controller, however, it works well in conjunction with it and all the added TV/media features with the device are pretty cool. Kinect in games has a lot of potential, you would know this if you hsd a 360 and played a game like Mass Effect 3.

Yes, the XB1 is $100 more expensive than the PS4 but it also does a lot more, has more/better games and will still have superior online with the added Azure cloud service. This trumps a few more pixels and frames imo.

SquillieDeeWilliams4659d ago

the guide was removed to make things easier man, THIS is a perfect example of why Kinect is integral to the XB!. Instead of press in a button, waiting, then shuffling through blades, waiting, pressing and so on, you just SAY what you want, and POOF, there it is... Nobody says that Kinect will replace a controller. While it will be implemented into games subtly , the main convenience will be on the OS. The entire OS is built around Kinect, they are not going to remove it, and I don't want them to.

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Nivalis4659d ago

You realize there was a $599.99 console and a $399.99 console, right?, you know, the 40GB SKU at launch...

Ah options, so nice to have.

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r214660d ago

Well, at least they confirmed one thing. It looks like the xbox one wont be going to get any huge boosts in hardware and power.

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kneon4660d ago

That should have been obvious to anyone with any intelligence. The hardware needs to be locked down long before manufacturing starts.

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-Foxtrot12d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle12d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7712d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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Relientk7716d ago

I remember playing this back in the day on PS2. What a sick game!

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Outside_ofthe_Box17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster300017d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv7217d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit16d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania17d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit16d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot0716d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr17d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box17d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr17d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire9517d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv7217d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

--Onilink--17d ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv7217d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket17d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm17d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde17d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster9216d ago (Edited 16d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_17d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted17d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit16d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster9216d ago (Edited 16d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT17d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers17d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz14917d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot0716d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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