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Microsoft exec explains Why They Boosted Xbox One GPU clock by 6%

Microsoft executive Albert Penello explains how they were able to increase the clock speed of the Xbox One GPU.

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M-M4656d ago

Interesting, so pretty much they found out that they could use a little bit more power without having the box sounding like a vacuum(it didn't before), nice. They just saw the opportunity to boost the performance without any negatives.

black0o4656d ago

and 4 months before lunch .. that's planning

Ripsta7th4656d ago

Im pretty sure they had lunch today

JokesOnYou4656d ago (Edited 4656d ago )

Calm down Carmack knows more about system hardware specs than this whole site combined and he said the consoles were very close in performance even before this news. Folks are overreacting this is just a little bump in clock speed, thats all... so don't worry Cerny said your ps4 still has 'teh best launch lineup ever.

fr0sty4656d ago (Edited 4656d ago )

Carmack didn't say the two were neck and neck performance wise. He even acknowledged the performance differences in memory and the GPU. His comments were based on the fact that both systems essentially use the same CPU, and both are AMD based GPUs based on the same architecture. Then fanboys like you took that and ran with it, as if he had said the two were the same performance-wise. In fact, he even went on to admit he hadn't done any performance tests on either system.

It's good that they were able to squeeze out that extra 6%, that will help them offset the 10% of the GPU that the OS reserves for itself, it'll only be taking 4% now from where it used to be.

SilentNegotiator4656d ago

@JOY

It's like you just took a bunch of 8th gen console war buzz words/names, threw them in a virtual blender, hit "pro-xbox puree" and posted the results.

THC CELL4656d ago

Not to sound like I have my thing in.someone butt but I'd listen to mark before John

Hydrolex4656d ago

6 percent !

ohhh lets make it sound like it's a huge number !!!!!

lol maximum of 2 more fps in games, EHHH

Electric-flamingo4656d ago

I hope they had lunch. Poor guys must be starving.

Ju4656d ago

It won't squeeze a "couple" of FPS out of anything. It might give you that "one" frame - 6% @ 30fps is 1.8. So what was 28 occasionally might as well hit 30 now (aeh...Ryse...aeh). But that's about it.

Ritsujun4656d ago

JOY's joking on herself, as usual. =/

Coach_McGuirk4656d ago

...or maybe the PLAN was to see how the chips were turning out closer to release date, and making adjustments to the clock speeds then.

Groo4656d ago

MS is playing ketchup.. wait..

Ulf4656d ago (Edited 4656d ago )

@blackOo,

You sound pretty naive. Do you realize that the actual performance of prototype hardware (8 core Jaguar APUs aren't even on the market) varies drastically until AFTER launch?

Case in point, Sony designed the PSP to run at 333 MHz... and underclocked it to 222 MHz for the first couple years of its existance, because the hardware wasn't reliable and power-conservative enough to run at 333.

Another example, the Cell processor design actually has 8 SPUs, but there are only 7 "available" (actually 6, because the OS reserves one) on the PS3. This is because initial Cell CPU yields were SO BAD, that they had to allow chips with one broken SPU to qualify as fully-fledged PS3 CPUs.

In short, hiking the clock of the GPU by 6%, 4 months before retail hardware hits the shelves... that's not surprising. It's a smart move my MS to not claim their console can run at some outrageous clock, and then either (a) downclock it and get bad PR, or (b) have to shell out 1 billion USD (see: XBox 360) to fix units that die within a short time.

Before you criticize something, try to understand it. Frankly, I would not be surprised to see it get hiked again, if AMD can demonstrate that the hardware can handle it, or MS wants to update the design with some better cooling, etc.

You may hate to hear this, but its entirely possible that the smaller, power-supply inclusive, bigger GPU PS4 may actually have some reliability problems that the XB1 may not have. It *is* packing a lot more heat in a smaller space, after all. Its not magic, its physics.. and smart design only goes so far.

badz1494656d ago

why are you guys speculating too much or reading too much into this! the only reason they did it is because they can! simple as that.

Saigon4656d ago (Edited 4656d ago )

@Ulf

You said some very interesting things that is actually true regarding to Sony's platforms; but this is an entirely different story. The PSP give or take you are sort of right sort of wrong. The upclock was because they figured out how to utilize the hardware much better kind of similar to what MS did with the Xbone but there is a huge significant difference. The PS3 at first needed to deactivate the 8th SPU because of yield issues. If I am not mistaken Sony has figured out how to finally utilize all the SPUs but it was too late because the PS3 was all-ready in the pipeline. This is why so many people thought that the PS4 would include an enhanced cell chip, because Sony figured out how to master the chip.

This up clock on the Xbone, will not have a significant difference, actually it won't have any significant difference that will matter in the long run. The percentage increase truly does nothing. Because of this reasoning it is truly a PR stunt. I think this increase would have faired better if it was done silently, and make a statement after the system released.

black0o4656d ago (Edited 4656d ago )

@UIf u made good point .. also it could be a desperd move just like Sony's (from 4 to 8) but Sony was still in development stages back then and they had to act after the feedback from the dev

don't u thing ms may just got same feedback and had to do something to say in close with the ps4 ... but they can't just come out and say that

ms invested more into the Camera and Sony ask where the dev want the money to go and dev said Gpu so ps4 ended up with a nice gpu "future proof accourding m.cerny""

bottom line ms has been rushed by Sony and they are playing catch up

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iamtehpwn4656d ago

Just watch though, we're going to see wack articles soon saying "Why this 6% GPU boost spells trouble for Ps4" lol.

Fireseed4656d ago

Guarantee you we won't see a single one. Let's not lie here, this site has a MAJOR PS bias.

Bennibop4656d ago

It's funny as not that long back this website was all doom and gloom articles about Sony and PS3. I don't think there is a bias, I just think the general community are pleased with Sonys offering specs wise and really really disappointed by microsofts. I know I feel let down by Microsoft, they seemed to have forgotten there roots a few years back and designed a new machine aimed at the casuals and have now done several 180's since announcement after realising there machine is not as saleable. You cannot blame people for sounding Sonys horn when it has been such a positive one. You knock it's launch line up as it does not have titanfall etc(it will have in twelve months) but Sony fans now they will have killer apps, look at the ps3 launch the games then were average and look at the masterpieces that have been created since.

mark134uk4656d ago

but i thought it was all about the cloud? and they wasnt worried about the flops differance yet here they are taking a massive risk over clocking it more just before launch :/

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Insomnia_844656d ago

Because they need some kind of positive news no matter how minimal they are to break the waves of bad negative news out there.

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JsonHenry4656d ago

I don't understand all of the hate. They did something good. Regardless of how small it is I don't understand why everyone is so down on this news. Granted it doesn't make me want to run out and reserve an X1 it is still great news.

The hero on performance will be the tools and driver optimization. New drivers can easily give a bigger boost to performance than a 53mhz clock increase.

Ju4656d ago

Because it's artificial. Those 6% mean swat in terms of performance. You would never touch performance numbers so close to release for "just 6%". This is way too risky. And so what this really boils down is, that obviously this is more a marketing/strategic decision than anything what an engineer would want that late in the game.

And re-drivers. That means they had a shitty driver to begin with. All it really shows how far away the box was when they revealed it.

And MS yet again manages to sell a deficit as a win. Congratulations.

insomnium24656d ago (Edited 4656d ago )

This is only possible via online patch right? Lucky for MS their XBone is a brick without an initial mandatory online patch so they can throw in a bone like this so people might forget about the whole thing. Clever really.

The casual crowd won't know about these things anyway so they can say the reason for the whole patch is this upgrade. Win win for MS. No victims. Like punching someone in the dark LOL.

Bathyj4656d ago

Bubble insomnium for the simpsons refrence

H0RSE4656d ago (Edited 4656d ago )

Why do they hate? Because they see any sort of progress or positive change to the xbox, as a direct threat or attack against PS4. They see what they want to see, which is usually not accurate to what's actually going on. It's like all the pro-gun nuts going on about how the liberals want to take away all their guns, when all that was actually being discussed was reform.

The other reason is that these people are so biased and hateful towards MS, that any sort of good news from the "MS/xbox camp," actually causes them to feel discomfort and anger - like seeing a person you hate succeed in life and being bitter because of it...yeah, it really is that juvenile...

Anyone arguing that the "hate" stems from the over-hype that is being placed on the significance of the GPU boost or the false claims about it's potential, why would this cause hate? It may cause skepticism, where you could then list your reasons why, but why would you be hateful or even angry at this? It just shows that you are concentrating more on the reaction to the news, rather than the news itself. Regardless of what potential this clock boost has, the main point is that MS was able to boost performance from their system - this is a good thing, or at least neutral.

By showcasing you care more for the reaction, you show that you are more concerned about how they view MS or Sony. Either you're mad that it may cause people to favor MS/xbox more, or upset that people may show less interest in Sony/PS4. In either case, it exhibits a bias on your part.

JsonHenry4656d ago

Ummm... but they DO want to take away ALL your guns. They just know they can't do it.. yet. - http://www.youtube.com/watc...

JBaby3434656d ago

Actually the liberals do want to take all the guns but that's a separate issue.

bsquwhere4655d ago

Well at least I know that the paranoid liberal hating gun owners are pro Xbox. That's why shooters sell so well on it. If we point out that MS has a camera, that's always on, is a concern after this whole Prism thing, were called paranoid. You guys hear about stricter gun laws and you start freaking out. I knew the arguments on hear sounded a lot like red vs. blue. Sorry for the run on sentences.

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Bathyj4656d ago

Didn't they say before they were unclocking it by quite a bit to prevent overheating and rrod2.0?

So is this boost simply putting it back to what it was? Did they solve the overheating issue? I guess well see a couple weeks after its released.

sak5004656d ago

Unlike sony dropping tons of stuff from ps3 like 7 usb ports 1080p 120fps, later alternate o/s etc, MS is already amping up xbox one even if its just small stuff.

GrownUpGamer4656d ago (Edited 4656d ago )

Microsoft in the event of disclosure of their new console the PS fanboys were angry that Microsoft revealed a console without a lot of games in an event that was to unveil its new console. When Microsoft announced at E3 a lot of games for launch, and without the DRM policy clear the fans complained. So Microsoft decided to make a 180 turn in their DRM policy which is good news yet the PS fanboys complained. So Microsoft decided to increase the GPU clock by 6%, but for PS fanboys who do not care about Xbox One and do not plan to buy one anyway, for them the 6% increase in the GPU

IS NOT THE BIG DEAL!

LOL!!! NOT FnC<!NG SURPRISED!!

AND THEY CALL THEMSELVES GAMERS !!!

INSTEAD OF GETTING MAD GET EXCITED BECAUSE A COMPETITION BETWEEN THIS TWO CORPORATION IS GREAT NEWS FOR US CONSUMERS AND THE GAMING INDUSTRY.

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aceitman4656d ago

and the question is how long should they test this bump to make sure it doesn't mess xboxone up. I don't like the changes there doing with the system like this , so close to launch , whats to say this makes the system freeze or even kill the dam thing .

M-M4656d ago

A minuscule clock speed increase isn't going to cause any harm lol.

joeorc4656d ago

@Cooguy1212

sorry that is incorrect:

Software can physically damage hardware, and you do happen to set the CPU's clock speed and voltage in software. Given a mild overclock, however, there will be no immediate physical damage to the processor - but it should be noted that high clock speeds, temperatures, and voltages are all known to accelerate transistor aging.

This isn't something you can completely mitigate - even running the processor at the default clock speed and voltage will wear down the transistors over time. This is all on a timescale measured in years, and the effects can be mitigated by compensating the CPU's speed and voltage over time

http://superuser.com/questi...

example, like he stated i have seen many chips that are infact rated higher and go kaput over a very short time due over clock even a little.

if you want a good resource Scott Mueller has created one of the best books on Hardware its over 20 years now since the first edition.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/07...

example:

Again, check with the manufacturer's rated specifications. I've seen some GPUs that are rated up to 100C, while also encountering CPUs that can only withstand up to 68C. Indeed, the chip will work past it's rated temperature/voltage, but the lifespan will be severely impacted. In general, the cooler, the better.

ErcsYou4656d ago (Edited 4656d ago )

The psp did the same thing a few years back and everything turned out fine. They boosted the processor's clock speed from 266MHz to 333MHz.
Edit: This was due to the battery not a actual speed increase. It was more like a deduction before launch. Sorry. if i erase post the comment below makes no sense. lol

What does suprise me is that this boost to the Xbox One wasn't saved for a rainy day. It could have been a nice little boost to the console a year down the line.

tubers4656d ago

That was more based on battery limits unlike electronics design to run from the wall socket.

ErcsYou4656d ago

Thanks, didnt know that. Had to look it up.

joeorc4656d ago

@tubers

exactly the Mips 4000 cpu and gpu's were both rated @ 333 but Sony pre set the mips lower clock @ 222 MHz to save on battery power

Stsonic4656d ago (Edited 4656d ago )

This is all PR talk to build hype. Changing a few clock speeds is not going to kill the dam thing, they know what there doing.

Applying changes to the clock speeds here and there on a desktop GPU increases performance with a slight rise in temperature. You have to be careful tho as you don't want to push a card to hard.

Essentially all they have done is a minor overclock which makes them sound cool.

MRMagoo1234656d ago

but you have to be careful with voltages too when overclocking its not just extra temp.

Stsonic4656d ago

Raising the voltages just gives the card more power which in turn also raises the temperature.

Depending on what you are doing you will sometimes have to up the volts to accommodate for the higher clock speed. and visa versa.

Valkyre4656d ago

Yes MS clearly knows what they are doing, its not like they have done a complete 180 of their ofiginal vision, i mean they sure do sound like a company with a concrete vision and planning...

Stsonic4656d ago

I have disagrees for saying Microsoft know what they are doing. You are getting confused I am not bigging them up it's a simple process that a monkey could achieve.

flunkers4656d ago

I am sure Microsoft will have tested these changes and are fully aware of potential downsides to upping hardware clocks. As far as I am aware they have been in this business for sometime and have done fairly well so far.....

;)

insomnium24656d ago (Edited 4656d ago )

@flunkers

Ever heard of RROD. Might want to look it up before "As far as I am aware they have been in this business for sometime and have done fairly well so far."

I think people have a good reason for being worried over this considering the RROD fiasco.

IcicleTrepan4656d ago

I'm sure they know what they're doing. They're not going to want to cause a RROD situation because it cost them a billion dollars.

Then again, all the disagrees are coming from all of the N4G users that have their electronic engineer's degree right boys?

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FrigidDARKNESS4656d ago

Marc Whitten said the same thing in an interview with VG247 that the new drivers in the Gpu allowed them to increase graphics performance. They must have already done this months ago because he stated that we will see a noticeable inprovements in visuals since the e3 showing.
http://www.vg247.com/2013/0...

XabiDaChosenOne4656d ago

That's not what he said..
"get the first look at new things since E3″

Statix4656d ago

Considering 10% of the Xbox One GPU is reportedly being reserved for the OS, they still have a quite ways to go.

Source: http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Pinkdolphinyfg4656d ago

I like how you assume that the ps4 is going to use 100% of its power. LOL The 360 gpu nor the rsx of the ps3 hit their theoretical peak in real world scenarios and the ps3 reserved a ppu for the os. You fall into the groupmthat actually thought that the ps4 was reserving .5 gb for its os and 7.5 for games.

AnteCash4656d ago

Unlike the x1 gpu the ps4 gpu is 100% available to developers.
10% of x1 gpu is reserved for THREE Operating systems , kinect and TV features.
The ppu is a part of Cell NOT ps3 gpu.....

Ant it was 1gb for os and 7gb for game, guess no1 knows that sony didnt say nothing about what amout of ram is using for os, it was just speculation from the gaming comunity.

better use that google man. xD

FrigidDARKNESS4656d ago

Looks at date on link and laughs. All that crap in that neogaf article is Mularkey.
Once again folks are assuming that those are the final specs posted by VGLeaks from a 2 year old Durango SDK. The x1 gpu is already powerful than ps4 before e3 GCN 2.0

M-M4656d ago

"The x1 gpu is already powerful than ps4 before e3 GCN 2.0"

Your link backing up that statement?

FrigidDARKNESS4656d ago (Edited 4656d ago )

@cooguy1212 do you really think MS is going to release a console with specs from a 2 year devkit that has a 3-4 year old gpu.

M-M4656d ago

Thanks for proving my point lol.

Nekroo914656d ago

your not really smart arent you?! fun thing is that they confirmed the increase to 853hz, and a total os 1.3 tflops against 1.8 on the ps4. and yes the cpu is the same the amount of ram is than etc

pyramidshead4656d ago

I wonder sometimes what sort of damage control you're going to pull when you get get proved wrong on this. SO far I've not seen you state one single source that supports this. But that's IF you're wrong.
But at least you've pruned down the spam post and removed the literal b.s. regarding Sony not being a HSA Foundation member lol.
http://www.fudzilla.com/hom... "jan 2013"

Kayant4656d ago (Edited 4656d ago )

Yes I do belive those specs are accurate like they were for PS4 after all Microsoft said "We purposefully did not target the highest end graphics"

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio3d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing3d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster923d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit3d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing3d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster923d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay5d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn26d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn25d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown5d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay5d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay5d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac5d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger5d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster30005d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde5d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde5d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent757d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_4d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.