Would look good on my family room since it's pretty big, but ughhh...I need a killer app to justify that $100 increase since my 55" inch Samsung Smart 3d tv can do the "everything" in the living room thing except for motion sensing of course.

yea i agree with instant ramen noodle have no issue with kinect but they assume that everyones living space is the same.. thats my problem with motion control gaming in general/ i dont need my gaming console to keep me physically fit or active i do that on my own.. most of the time i just wanna relax and rock the game

No it would not. Being able to change settings and features on the fly without stopping the gameplay action is part of the next gen experience. The PS4 fanboys will see it when its too late. Just think you are passing the controller around and you like inverted. Just say it and boom. The kinect is not to dance around the living room it makes everything faster and easier.

That would be great if Microsoft did that, it would bring the price down and it wouldn't force kinect on anyone. Although it would make Microsoft look like they have no idea what they're doing with the X1 since they are going back on everything that was supposed to make the X1 "stand out" from its competitors.

You limit your customers when you limit their choices and it's as simple as that.

All you folks that are buying one applauding those of us that refuse to buy one because of Kinect will be crying the blues when your community isn't that big.

The future of console gaming shouldn't require me to jump around in front of my tv like im having a seizure just to play a game. They are seriously riding this motion control thing hard aren't they? I can just see it now. Kids hold up their hands playing COD pretending to have a gun in there hands pulling out a invisible pin with their mouths from their air nade and throwing out their shoulders in the process.running in place just to get around a map all the while getting owned by someone with a traditional,not broke,dont fix it controller looking stupid as fukc.Thats microsoft.

That would be horrible if Microsoft ditched the Kinect, it would essentially make it an identical box to PS4, with less power and probably a bit cheaper. Having the Kinect set's the Xbox apart from the PS4.

It has some features that sound great on paper, but you can't just assume it's going to work great. I know it is a huge improvement from the first Kinect system but voice control is and (to me) always will be a gimmick. I'd rather turn the damn thing on myself instead of having to yell "XBOX ON" three times.

UHHMMM NO! It's part of the system just like a controler is part of the Eco System.

IMO I believe every X1 should come with the kinect camera. the only point i can agree with anti kinect people is that sure you should be able to unplug the camera and not have to use it or be able to store it while you play the xbox 1 your way. SURE that would be fine.

But including the kinect in with every X1 is beneficial to gamers because now even core games will most likely include some nifty or maybe great added motion or voice features, heck the ability for most games to possibly have the feature to scan your face into a game is awesome enough.

but if its not included than your back to basically shovelware being the main thing made for kinect.

With the PS eye not included in the box for PS4 i dont see most developers bothering to do anyhting with it like this last gen.

all in all. I think there are more gameplay options we will get with Kinect included.

there goes my rant... and again this is my opinion.

bnvn

Gamers complain they want innovation and new things.

microsoft and Nintendo does just that and they all complain. No matter what Microsoft does, gamers will complain.

Only the sony fanboys who would never purchase the X1 want MS to ditch the Kinect 2.

It's a device that will separate itself from the other consoles.

It has features that will enhance gameplay further down the line.

it will not spy on you as some paranoid fanboys keep bringing up with any proof at all.

I look forward using the unique features of the Kinect for the Xbox 1.

I believe including it in the box is a good thing.once kinect is mentioned the next thing people say is “I don't want to wave my hands or keep jumping in front of the tv.besides kinect sports rivals and fantasia i do not know what other game requires full body motion.if people don't want such games then don't buy them.kinect will be used in so many new innovative ways and that's what most people fail to realise and so you know some gamers do want to jump around their tvs cos for some its really fun. i.e Dance central fans.I know after the xbox one is released we will see many articles like “ how my mindset about kinect changed, how I became a believer in the kinect” how MS has changed d industry with kinect" ,"how I was wrong about kinect",“ how kinect turned from a gimmick to a cool gaming gadget” believe me..MS just wants people to wait till lunch to try it out. Then things will change.

These articles drive me nuts who would rather have a fragmented experience rather than the whole experience. Who wants an under specd PS4 clone if you don't want the X1 because of the mandatory Kinect then the asnwer is simple buy the PS4, a Wii U or go PC.

The Kinect 2.0 is NOT Kinect 1.0 it is not all about flappy, flappy wave your hands in the air like you just don't care, its not screaming at the TV like a crazed mad man or woman. Its definitely not a gimmick this time around as every X1 will come with Kinect this is good for gamers and good for developers wanting to implement unique experiences due to knowing that every X1 owner has one.

YEEEESSSSS it will take either the 2nd or third wave of X1 titles before it starts to show its true potential. Still this is the same with all tech that is untested.

People are judging Kinect 2.0 based on the hit and miss experience that the current Kinect 1.0 offered. Remember not every X360 owner had one, it was no way near as powerful, it shared the processing power of the X360 whereas Kinect 2.0 has its own silicon so is not chewing through system resources that could be better utilised elsewhere.

Kinect 2.0 needs to stay this is one area that MS needs to stand firm with and not do another 180. Removing it will be a HUGE mistake and one I will not agree just to drop a few dollars of the price or to appease a group of paranoid conspiracy theorists who more than likely would STILL not buy it even if MS did stupidly remove it. This was evident with the DRM policy 180 where some stated that this was the one reason why they were either jumping ship or buying just a PS4 this time around ONLY to state that they were still not getting the X1 after MS famous 180 flip the switch policy reversal.

Enough is enough no one is forcing you to buy the X1. You are entitled to your opinions by all means BUT don't force those opinions on the rest of us who are pysched for the X1 in its current state.

Rather than removing stuff I would rather see value be added to the X1

In closing I will add that I do believe that Kinect 2.0 should not be mandatory for the X1 to work this is the sole point I will agree with.

Now knock yourself out and hit the disagree's I already know they are coming.

It personally at the end of the day wont change my mind at all.

Microsoft will not drop the mandatory Xbox One for Kinect. Ever. It's a major selling point for them to developers as well as the casual consumer.

People forget that the Kinect 1.0 sold 24 million units, mostly to the casual gamer, despite it being a $150 camera that didn't work that well.

While yes, the extra $50.00 price does not benefit Microsoft now, the fact that every Xbox One console will have a Kinect 2.0 does.

Most of these Kinect articles written are very short-sighted. Microsoft isn't thinking about what is going to happen 3 or 6 months after launch. They are thinking about how they can still sell hardware in 5, 10 years. They believe the Kinect will help them do that. And that's what matters to them.

If no one has kinect then developers will be more inclined to not push kinect. If everyone has it, the developers would know it will be used at least once and so they'll try to prove to the customers how great of a device it really is.

If MS wants to force its Kinect fetish and make it mandatory than they should have at least developed a Kinect exclusive game for launch, something that showcases all the new great capabilities. Ryse could have been it but thankfully MS realized outside of dancing/party games Kinect is pretty shallow. Sure it provides some neat gimmicks, but nothing that would justify making it mandatory. Especially since the features are optional and as MS says, you can turn it off by pausing it.

Kinect is a data mining tool to allow MS to sell marketing information and charge higher premiums for advertising. One example would be charging ads by how many people in the room see them. Kinect is a gold mine for revenue but MS isn't going to come out and say it, so they call Kinect an integral part of the experience yet have nothing to showcase how its integral. Beyond some hollow features and gimmicks its all about what it might bring. If MS wants to include a Kinect in every box than it has the daunting task of not only selling the console but the Kinect as well. MS needs more than empty promises and pie in the sky ideas of what developers MIGHT do with it to sell Kinect.

"It is not as easy as flipping a switch."

Hey here's an idea .if you don't have the money ,then save up for it ,or go buy a wii u .the kinect is staying so please just stop with the Xbox bashing. It's getting old . like I said a million times now if you don't like it then don't buy it ,its not rocket science

Tell me again how the multiplatform strategy was supposed to fix everything. Look at your results and compare them to Nintendo, which keeps thriving with exclusives. Your loyal fans are gone. And let’s not forget the pile of IPs you purchased only to let them rot.

The worst thing is this is down from last years numbers/expectations which was down from the previous years numbers/expectations. You think about how long “down” has been a consistent part of the communication and you realize those subscriptions are what’s holding that boat together. The price cut of gamespass is still a price raise in a string of price raises. They are trying to use players to offset the missing revenue. Now call of duty is out of gamespass, which is literally WHY they bought the company. To draw people to the subscription. They realized they missed a boatload of money and that wasn’t sustainable. Now you pay for it like you would have if they never bought the company… so why buy the company? Mind you those billions still need to be paid back. Yeah it gives you a chance to say we make the biggest FPS… but the internal conversations must be brutal at high level on topics that really matter. Like revenue. Profitability. And ROI for the shopping spree.

Is this like the 10th quarter in a row they're down 33% on hardware how is that even mathematically possible. You would think their mediocrity would Plateau

Helix will be expensive but it's still a day one for me.

Oh, my days...
So Nadella meets with the US president multiple times to ensure AI regulations are minimal if any at all, donates to the inauguration and ballroom, and his boy not only won't regulate AI as farmers lose land and billionaires/corporations buy up farmland to build data centers...but because he's insane and compromised, he starts a war on behalf of a rogue colonial zionist state and [further] destabilizes the Middle East, restricting component access and helium supply.

Now the head of Xbox is saying the hardware pricing "could impact" next generation hardware pricing? Asha,...your boss at a minimum played a direct role in this. What are we even talking about?

Yea because a $3 trillion company can’t absorb the majority of the cost to keep the product lower for consumers.

Expensive… oh no, here comes another flop.

Could? Strange how prices rise for virtually everything we buy, yet when things settle down, prices don't come down. This has been happening in the UK probably before I was born. With that, how much is a next gen console going to cost? Look at the price of the PlayStation 5 Pro, which has been a flop for Sony. On that note, we don't need the next consoles for another 5 years.

I guarantee if people just stopped buying this kinda stuff all together. This would all be sorted within 2 weeks and everything would be back to normal.

We seen the exact same thing through the COVID period. Companies just jumped on the bandwagon realising that they can get away with charging far more under false pretences and fear mongering.

Consumers now have this fear of "you know what, I only live once. I'm going to spend all this money I earned through my hard work" Or "I only live once I'm going to take a loan out and enjoy my time here".

Silicone Valley spends literally billions of dollars researching how much they can push society to the limits to increase spending. You can research it yourself. There's published written documentation about it. Have a look for yourself into their group research into subscription programs to see how evil they are and why it's such a giant focus of current civilization. Its the very essence of corporate capitalism.

Just delay all new consoles. I could easily go another 5 years with my base PS5.

could? it's already affecting current gen pricing.

It is greed. Apple are selling at the same price, while Microsoft Surface increases 500$ per unit. Karma will tell.