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bringbackphilfish Wants Their Fish Back

With the sudden and inflammatory departure of FEZ creator Phil Fish, a lot of gamers are left with a hole in their hearts. But while there are many who proclaim their pleasure of Fish’s departure, there are still people who want Phil Fish to come back.

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Hellsvacancy4674d ago

He'll come back, he'll have a years break then announce some new game he's been working on once somebody else has been found to hate in the industry

die_fiend4674d ago

I doubt it - when you freak out like a maniac for all of the gaming public to see, you'll never recover. And didn't he only make one game of significance before MS-bashing became his top priority. Does he forget that it was an MS exclusive?

AedanClarke4674d ago

It wasn't much of a choice when it comes to being MS-exclusive. No publisher had FEZ and you need a publisher. So Microsoft automatically publishes your game and, thus, you can't port it to PSN. But, hey, at least it's on PC.

CrossingEden4674d ago

You never recover if you rage over twitter? Um what?
http://mynintendonews.com/2...

Enigma_20994674d ago

@CrossingEden

Well to be fair, he was being harassed by Smash Bros. fans... so I kinda understand.

As for Fish... do that many people care about Fez? Or is it the vocal minority again?

die_fiend4673d ago

I'm not sure he was being harassed...They seemed to just be asking him about putting his characters in there...

Which probably doesn't warrant the f bomb being ignited. However, he's made many incredible games. Fez is one game played by no1 and their non-existent mothers

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RickHiggity4674d ago

Maybe even sooner than a year. He's just whiney because a journalist called him a name he doesn't like.

Anon19744674d ago

So you wouldn't take issue with someone using their online show to publicly ridicule and bully you because you simply refused to give a comment on a topic without knowing all the facts? You don't believe journalists have a responsibility to maintain a certain level of professionalism in their commentary? At least at a bare minimum you think they should maybe be expected to stick to the facts, or keep their criticism to people's work? You honestly believe that anyone should have to put up this type of bullying on a regular basis?

RickHiggity4673d ago

Sadly, journalists outside of the gaming scene do the same damn thing. You're high if you think gaming journalists are magically different. People like Phil Just need to keep their cool in situations like this.

STK0264674d ago

The guy made one good game, made himself a bad reputation, got in an argument with a some video game journalist (which is to be expected when you voice your opinion on some matter), got mad, took his ball and went home.

I'm not saying what Beer did was right or wrong, nor am I saying that Fish was right or wrong for that matter; but I certainly won't go and beg him to come back. He's not the first, nor the last game developer to leave the industry because of the fans/journalists/etc. and quite frankly, the game industry is just like any entertainment industry, people are going to be mean with you, they will insult you and they will say your work sucks; if you can't deal with that, you're in the wrong business.

Anon19744674d ago

Phil Fish isn't some corporate entity or brand. He's just a guy. His views are his views, his twitter feed his own, personal thoughts. When you work on a small team, your work couldn't be more personal too you. There's a human being at the other end of that account. If you received personal insults on a daily basis on your personal twitter feed, or facebook, can you honestly say you'd be able to block it all out, or never engage the people? Never let it get to you? I know I couldn't.

And let's be clear here. This whole insulting tirade started because Phil was asked for a comment and wouldn't give one until he knew the facts. This didn't even start because of something he said, this whole attack was initiated because he initially wasn't talking. Because GameTrailers said "Jump!" and Phil said "Whu?" and for that he deserved to be called out and insulted as an arrogant hipster?

I don't care what business you're in, you shouldn't be subjected to insults on a daily basis, nor should it be considered the norm that you be expected to smile and put up with that shit. Fish is a game developer. His job is to make games, not put up with this nonsense.

The fact that he wasn't able to cope with the constant bullying doesn't reflect poorly on him, it's a reflection of a toxic culture that's been allowed to grow in the industry. The norm is now to expect hostility and lack of civility from the media and fans as part of the job. NO ONE should have to endure that as part of their job. Of course criticism is part of the business. Bullying isn't.

If I came down to where you worked and shouted personal insults at you all day, you wouldn't stand for it. You'd probably have me arrested. Shrugging and saying "That's the business," wouldn't make it acceptable. It sickens me that so many act like it is. What the hell is wrong with people?

Hydralysk4674d ago (Edited 4674d ago )

Is this culture toxic? I'd say a bit, definitely parts of it, but you're going to far by saying Fish isn't at fault here.

We all run into annoying douchebags, bullies, or people who won't leave us alone at some point in our lives. Being an adult means dealing with it maturely.

That reporter was out of line I'll agree, but that doesn't mean Fish can respond by telling him to go kill himself and avoid responsibility for it. It's EVERYONE's job to put up with assholes, and dealing with the press/customers is part of the job for a game developer, especially if it's a one man team. There were dozens of ways he could've handled that reporter, but he chose the equivalent of a schoolyard shouting match.

Is it really too much to ask that devs not act like jackasses and still make good games? I really don't buy that you can't do both, especially since we have tons of examples of famous game devs who are perfectly pleasant.

Anon19744674d ago

I don't condone Fish's response but you can't take the effect and make it the cause. The guy sits in a box all day while people throw stones at them, you tell me you wouldn't be tempted to throw some back every now and then? Phil Fish isn't holding a gun to people's heads and forcing journalists and gamers to hurl insults at him on a regular basis. He isn't responsible for their actions. Each party is responsible for their own actions and no one else's.

I agree that we all have to deal with asses from time to time, and we're expected to do it in a mature and adult manner but Fish was dealing with this bullying on a daily basis. Everyone has their limits. I know I do.

As I stated, criticism of your work is to be expected. Make a statement and expect someone to disagree with you but I don't think anyone should have to put up with the type of ongoing harassment from fans and media (who should be held to standards of professionalism) that Fish has endured.

I don't condone his response. I don't condone his past statements. But I do think the gaming media should hold itself to a higher standard than engaging in schoolyard name calling because someone wouldn't provide you with a comment on a story. A real journalist doesn't need to rely on a sound bite provided by someone noteworthy to make their story, nor do they get bent out of shape when developers don't play along.

Darth Gamer4674d ago (Edited 4674d ago )

This sort of crap happens all the time in every industry. GET OVER IT!!! If Phil Fish was sooo passionate about making games he wouldn't let poor journalism or anything else turn him away from it. This man needs to stop whining and that's that. enough said. In the line of work he chose to pursue he should know that your going to have individuals who love you and your work and others who despise you and criticize everything you do. That's part of the business. Just looking at the pics used for these articles makes me sick. I mean look at the puss on his face. makes me think of "a Christmas Story". Are you gonna CRY, Cummon CRY!!!!

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Our Interview with Allistair Pinsof Part 2 – Relationships in Indie Gaming

A writer and editor turned game developer who has previously worked for websites such as Destructoid and the Escapist, TechRaptor was lucky enough to talk to Allistair Pinsof for a series of interviews about the current state of the gaming media.

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-Foxtrot4119d ago (Edited 4119d ago )

This is a great interview, pretty much reminds you why GamerGate was set up in the first place, to counter "fishy" stuff like this in the industry

I mean this is just Indie stuff can you imagine the situation with big developers and what sites do to get on their good side.

Relientk774119d ago

Not a big fan of Phil Fish

he's honestly just a d*ck

-Foxtrot4119d ago

It's funny how the more his facial hair grew the bigger his ego got.

It's like his ego pushed his hair out quicker and he couldn't be arsed to shave constantly.

elninels4118d ago

In response to that comment phil fish has cancelled yet another project.

004119d ago

those people really are a bunch of scumbags.

garos824119d ago

Totally disgusting that the industry has come to this.

Im not surprised to be honest but let this be a lesson to all those people smearing #gamergate as a hate group and a misogynistic movement. This is what we fight for and this is the sh*t that needs to stop.

Phil Fish is a thief and the reasons as to why Fez 2 will never come to fruition is because he is a talent less hack

The_Mad_Monarch4119d ago

Both of the interviews with Pinsof have been fantastic. Hope this gets all the exposure it can.

garos824119d ago

most publications seem to be ignoring it hoping it disappears

im looking at you giantbomb r/games r/gaming polygon gamasutra and all you corrupt fools

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Top 5 Indie Game Developer Meltdowns

(CriticalIndieGamer) Indie gaming is a serious business these days, but it is sometimes a little too serious for my liking. An industry that was started for fun has become the domain of a few sanctimonious, self-aggrandizing, and downright annoying developers. Admittedly, some small part of me secretly enjoys the controversy courted by these mavericks, so let’s take a look at five of my favourite game developer meltdowns.

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Indie Devs Really Need PR Help

From EGMR, "Indie games can be amazing experiences where quality truly shines through, but many a time the same cannot be said of the developers behind some of these games. Over the past year, I had my own experiences and witnessed a lack of PR sensibilities, and in some instances professionalism when indies communicated with members of the press. What I have noticed quite frequent is the lack of tact some developers have when communicating in a public forum, which needs to be highlighted. It is quite evident that some developers don’t realise that their social media feeds are a public forum, and that what you say in a public online context can have some real consequences."