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Phil Spencer: Cloud for multiplayer only modes is a mistake

Microsoft's Phil Spencer responds to user-sent questions about the Xbox One, providing the following defense for cloud processing (one of Xbox One's more-touted USPs).

slimeybrainboy4716d ago

This is why the cloud is such BS. MS suggest the cloud will make graphical performance better and make up for any difference with PC, PS4, but then when they talk specifics its always BS tiny things like leaderboards and gamerscore than are enhanced by the cloud, things that are already possible and working fine.

Gildarts4716d ago (Edited 4716d ago )

That was an example.

Reading is fun.

MestreRothN4G4716d ago

Hence the "but then when they talk specifics".

I agree on the reading part, though.

JokesOnYou4716d ago (Edited 4716d ago )

Slimey this was in response to this tweet:

Nice,next thing is to keep first party games(story modes)playable offline.
What Sony stated.
Keep Cloud for multiplayer modes only.

He responded to this statement that he believes limiting cloud use to only multiplayer is a mistake, which translates to them having broader plans for cloud use in sp games, yet you use this as an opportunity to say its BS cause they only want to use it for little things. huh? Am I missing something?

gaffyh4716d ago

What do you mean slimey? It's a direct link to the twitter conversation! The point is, that we all know the cloud is complete bullshit. Everything that they've said so far that the "Cloud" can do, can be done without the cloud right now.

slimeybrainboy4716d ago

What are you talking about? I read the article, I read the tweets. What point are you trying to make my dear friend.

shoddy4716d ago

When will people learn not to trust MS.

they smoke and mirror every chance they have.

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first1NFANTRY4716d ago

The "cloud" is all smoke and mirrors really until proven otherwise. I've learned to take everything Corporations say with a grain of salt.

TheFallenAngel4716d ago

Mark cerny already said that the cloud can't be used to make graphics better. He also said that the ps4 can do cloud computing.

IcicleTrepan4716d ago

The linked tweet says nothing about graphics, and MS has always said it would be used for asynchronous types of things such as AI or calculations for things that don't need to be done in real time. Indirectly that may free up resources that would impact graphical capabilities, but really we're just talking about offloading some percentage of CPU calculation to a server.

Gildarts4716d ago (Edited 4716d ago )

Of course it can do cloud computing, Anything can do it.

You just need tons of servers. And you need code and tools that makes it all work easily.

Sony has none of that.

Microsoft spend 10 billion dollars on the cloud.
Sony can not dream of spending even 10% of that money.

Thomper4716d ago

enough of Mark Kerny!!!!!!!!

IcicleTrepan4716d ago

Those that call BS on what MS is trying to do don't really understand it and probably shouldn't be writing comments on it other than 'I don't understand'.

malokevi4716d ago

Whatever, you people are all talk. I'll take the talk of developers and engineers over a bunch of Sony fans.

I anticipate great things, from the cloud, from the Kinect, from the Xbox One. the tools are there, as much as you all seem to hate admitting it.

Gildarts4716d ago

It was an example of features that are already here that are not required, but will make single-player better just like the cloud is going to make single-player better.

creatchee4716d ago (Edited 4716d ago )

@slimeybrainboy

Microsoft has NEVER stated that the cloud will make graphics better. Plenty of fans on both sides who are not Microsoft or developers have claimed that Microsoft says that though.

slimeybrainboy4716d ago

Notice I didn't say stated. I agree with you on stated. I say 'suggest'. They've said 'with the power of the cloud the xbox one may be the last console you ever need to buy' FACT. Now that doesnt state that graphics will be improved through the cloud, but you can't tell me that it's not suggested. That it's not a unreasonable to conclude from what they have said!

MS talked constantly about how 'the power of the cloud' (the name alone is ridiculous), is why always online was necessary!

They are constantly talking about the power of the cloud going forward, yet not one specific cloud task that isnt related to basic network and analytic data has been presented.

XabiDaChosenOne4716d ago

http://m.oxm.co.uk/54748/xb...
Wow, look what I found after a 4 second google search.
So we have two options here folks, creatcheet is either
A) Dishonest
B) Severly misinformed
I'll be lenient and go with B

kewlkat0074716d ago

Every now and then you find an illiterate dude on here...

slimeybrainboy4716d ago

They've said 'with the power of the cloud the xbox one may be the last console you ever need to buy' FACT. Now that doesn't state that graphics will be improved through the cloud, but you can't tell me that it's not suggested.

Sorry, J.K.Rowling does this sum my point up better.

nukeitall4716d ago (Edited 4716d ago )

What about massive learning algorithms for AI such as driveatar for Forza 5?

More realistic computer opponents, and not required to stay online.

You can make cloud dependent single player games that has a fall back when offline.

It's not that hard to understand is it?

I just keep hearing this mantra over and over. Do people really want to hold back progress?

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n4rc4716d ago

Omg. Yet another whiner who thinks ms should copy Sony..

Buy a damn ps4 then! They act like they don't want what Sony offers.. But need ms to do the same.. Then they'll be happy.. Right.. Lol

I'd like to point out a blatant fact here.. Sony is in dire financial troubles while ms makes billions and billions a year..

Looks like doing their own thing works well for them.. And Sony fans should stop worrying about ms and start supporting sony

Bennibop4716d ago

Sony has just reported there biggest profits in years and their stocks are on the up whilst Microsoft have just posted lower than forecast.

No_Limit4716d ago (Edited 4716d ago )

@Bennibop

Sony made a $458 million profit thanks to the help of the sales of buildings, one of which is its headquarters in New York.

In MS news, revenue rose 10 per cent to $19.9 billion, helped by sales of Microsoft's Office suite of applications, but fell short of analysts' average estimate of $20.7 billion.

So even in a less than expected estimate, a 10% gain in revenue and almost $20 billion is still outstanding.

lastofgen4716d ago

you do realize that those profits were made almost solely due to the sales of some of their large buildings, right??
And microsoft may not have beat the market's expectations on profits, but they did post a yoy rise of profits over last year during the same period- how is that bad??

lgn154716d ago

FUCKING WRONG. Last quarter was up 8%, not to mention an all time high stock closing price recently.

nukeitall4716d ago

lol!

Selling an investment (building) and turning it into an expense in a downturn market to post a profit isn't good and reeks of a company trying to gain in the short term.

@n4rc:

I agree and is what I have been saying all along. If you want a PS4 get it, but don't turn my Xbox One into a PS4!

I like options, albeit I will get both. Now just need to find time to use it!

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TheFallenAngel4716d ago

Well ms have been copying Sony a lot lately.

n4rc4716d ago

I could make the argument that Sony has copied Microsoft in many ways..

Its give and take in any industry.. You learn from both success and failures of your competition.

And Sony sold a ton of assets to make 400m.. Ms made like 50b.

Its not really the point.. But I along with many others do not want 2 identical consoles..

If ps4 is your thing.. Voila! There is your choice..

If Xbox is your choice.. There you go

Wanting one to become the other is redundant and useless..

lgn154716d ago

I'm just hoping that with all that cash they take the opportunity to buy out oculus so in the future we can combine kinect with oculus. And then the future will be awesome.

AtomicGerbil4716d ago

Well there you go ladies and gentlemen, Microsoft have made the most money so were all going to use that information to convince ourselves that the Xbox One is the only console worth buying.

I'd rather wait and see what games and features a console will offer before rabidly throwing cash at it.

XabiDaChosenOne4716d ago (Edited 4716d ago )

Microsofts OS division=/=Xbox division. While Microsoft as a whole is filthy rich, there Xbox divisions has lost 3 billion dollars in ten years.
http://www.neowin.net/news/...

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Kayant4716d ago

So we can just download the cloud :p like with the drivertars in Forza 5.

_LarZen_4716d ago (Edited 4716d ago )

I think most people are starting to understand by now that cloud tech will not make games more visual stunning.

But they can enhance even a singleplayer game. Let's take The Witcher 3 that is coming to next gen consoles.

It's a big living world and with cloud tech that world can live on and evolve even while you are not playing. So when you turn on you XBO again, everything is not as it was when you stopped playing.

Let's continue to play with the idea of The Witcher 3 using cloud tech.

Let's say that you could leave notes, carve hints on trees or rocks for people in your friends list. With the cloud this is uploaded and shared to every friend you have that have The Witcher 3.

It will automatically upload and download content, even when the XBO is turned of.

Let's take on a different scenario and a different game. Imagine playing Forza 5 and with the plans to upload AI to your game. A race offline will never be the same as the AI drivers are evolving and growing.

Imagine playing a FPS singleplayer game where all the enemy in the game is driven by AI downloaded from how other players play the game...suddenly a play trough of a game is never the same as the AI evolves and change.

These are some possibilities the cloud can do for gaming.

AtomicGerbil4716d ago

"The Cloud" is just PR jargon, what you have suggested has already been done to some degree, i.e. Tips in Demon Souls or independent AI racing in Gran Turismo 5.

My point is it's not new and consumers need to be aware that Microsoft are using it as a USP.

_LarZen_4716d ago

Yes this is stuff that has in some ways been done before. But never before have there been a so big push from a company to have developers start using and experimenting with new ways for it to benefit games.

I cant remember the number of servers MS is expanding with but it was a hole bunch of them. So developers should if MS pulls trough have the option to play around with it.

christocolus4716d ago

The funny thing is if sony does announce an ONLINE service like that of the xbox ones cloud, fanboys on this site would start talking about how evenly matched both consoles are in that regards and how awesome the ps4 cloud is over that of the xbox one. i realised the arrogance of many fan boys here has become like an infectious terminal sickness. smh. they will say and agree to anything just to bash the xbox one....

CEOSteveBallmer4716d ago

They bash because there really is something to bash MS. You think the past announcements and mistakes made by MS is forgiven? and Forgotten?? Well if you look back to early 2006-2007 comments section of N4G. you won't find sony supporters bashing the 360 because they are the minority. You will find "Plenty" of 360 fans overly bashing PS3 because it has no games, more expensive blu ray, media features not needed etc. Well look how times change. I say this is "Karma" to all those 360 fans

christocolus4716d ago

i get what you saying . so this fight has been going on for years? andthat makes it right? so even our kids will carry on? lol. years have passed, people grow up...

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Phil Spencer Was Good for Xbox, but His Legacy Is Complicated

Was Phil Spencer good for Xbox? Whatever you think of the retiring boss’s decade-plus tenure, there was rarely a dull moment.

Lightning77103d ago

Too soon to say. What if things are more of the same? That's my biggest fear.

KyRo102d ago

You don't get rid of big portions of a division to replace them to do the same thing. MS has been critical of Xbox for a few years now.

As a Sony fan, I hope they can bring competition back to Sony because I think Sony have become very complacent the generation. They haven't had time try and whilst there's been a few good exclusives, nothing on the level or as memorable as previous PS generations.

S2Killinit102d ago

I disagree with your blanket statement but overall yeah I think they need to step up more. However, I’m not sure that has anything with xbox but rather with the disruptions we had at the beginning of the generation. Covid, and then the shortage in chips, then the ram…

MrDead102d ago

Yes the industry and it's workforce thank Phil for the massive industry consolidation, thousands fired and still being fired because of MS buyups and for making people like Bobby Kotick even richer.

Reaper22_102d ago

Thats true. Bobby did get a little richer. But name a CEO who isn't rich or getting richer. When I look around the industry I see a bunch of people getting fired. Not just from Microsoft. That is, unless you think the devs from Bluepoint deserved to be fired. Unfortunately, things like this will continue to happen whether you like it or not.

MrDead102d ago

Can you list other companies that are doing mass layoffs because of spending $80 billion on massive industry consolidation? Can you list other companies that purchased two of the largest publishers to make the industry less competitive?

Your fangirling over MS's corporate greed doesn't work on me kid, it does expose you though.

CrashMania102d ago

Was he? It became slightly better after he took over, but it turned in to a gen of just halo gears and forza. And he tried to monopolise massive parts of the industry with ridiculous acquisitions that ironically lead to the opposite, a near complete collapse of xbox console sales, and putting their tentpole IPs everywhere, all but abandoning xbox consoles going forward for a PC disguised like one.

Reaper22_102d ago (Edited 102d ago )

Id say his legacy is complicated, but if you focus on all the bad and ignore the positive things anyone can seem bad. He did have some positive impacts on the xbox platform.
Launched and grew Gamepass-
Invested in backwards compatibilty enabling thousands of older titles to play on modern hardware-
Grew the xbox box first party lineup
Brought xbox into the PC space
Hardware and feature improvements for xbox consoles
Pushed for cross-play support

And there's more but if you asked xbox gamers they'd say that he is viewed as overall a positive thing for the brand. No one expects non xbox gamers to say many positive things about him or the brand. Project Helix happened under his leadership and that is seen as a positive for the brand too.

SonyStyled102d ago (Edited 102d ago )

Launching and growing Gamepass as a positive? When it was $1 absolutely! This is also what fueled the death of Xbox as the standard living room console

TiredGamer102d ago

Agree. With how XBox imploded after the attempt to monopolize the industry, and one of the worst launches of a new console, we might be edging to Phil being a disaster to Xbox in the long run.

MDTunkown102d ago

He was good the first 6 months as the lead

Agent75101d ago

Then he forgot about the games. Poor Phil.

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Phil Spencer Retiring, Sarah Bond Out, Microsoft AI Exec Asha Sharma Named New Xbox Boss

Big changes are being made at the top of Microsoft's gaming division.

CrashMania123d ago (Edited 123d ago )

MS knack for one upping bad news from other companies so soon afterwards is pretty astounding lol. Can't say I'm surprised though, this gen has been dreadful for the xbox brand.

Being replaced by an AI boss exec though, yikes.

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-Foxtrot123d ago

I always had this theory that they both wait to see if the other announces something bad so they can announce their bad thing, thus the two talking points bleed together enough to cause overall confusion online.

It then becomes just a big bad thing for the industry rather than a specific company. Wouldn't be surprised if Ubisoft were up next again at this point.

Eonjay123d ago

I have to agree with you. As if this decision was made today. Yeah right lol

darthv72123d ago (Edited 123d ago )

Huh... well that is sure interesting.

@crash, is it bad news though? I mean many here have said he needed to leave... now he and Bond are leaving. That should be good news to some.

Extermin8or3_123d ago

It's more the fact the person incharge of AI being taking over. That's a very deliberate decision.

Profchaos123d ago

Xbox fans have wanted Phil gone for a long time he's probably the least favourite exec of all time behind matrick purely because uber his leadership he decived fans and took the Xbox brand multiplatform

badz149123d ago

Indian takeover of Microsoft

PapaBop122d ago

Considering MS's obsession with ai, this is probably a demotion for her. Still, I enjoy poking fun at Spencer but ultimately it's sad to see him go, he's made mistakes for sure but I think he genuinely cared about the Xbox brand. Sharma seems very corporate to me and certainly not the Spencer replacement Xbox fans would have hoped for.

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Neonridr123d ago

maybe some new blood can help improve things.

Sitdown123d ago

That's not what us happening here, push for AI.

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Sonic1881123d ago (Edited 123d ago )

Wow 😂 Sarah Bond is more of a surprise

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-Foxtrot123d ago

I'm convinced "early retirement" is just them wanting to save both themselves the embarrassment and them getting forced out without the drama.

You bow out naturally while we make it all look like it's part of the plan, both of us look as competent as we can make out during the fallout

Jim Ryan was the exactly the same.

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A07123d ago

“ Phil has 3 days to clean out his office?”

Why spread fake news? The press release clearly says that Phil and Sarah are staying on throughout the summer to advise the new person.

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We spoke to Phil Spencer about the next Xbox, Kojima's OD, and the future of Halo

Here, we spoke with Phil Spencer about his outlook for the future, including discussing the new information revealed at the "Xbox Tokyo Game Show 2025 Broadcast" held on the first day of the Tokyo Game Show.

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rakentaja241d ago

They are integrating everything into one platform (PC-like experience), that says it all. There is no longer a regular Xbox console, games are installed from Steam etc. on the next console/PC hybrid [if desired].

shinXseijuro241d ago

If the rog costs over 1000k with the tax and shipping included to Canadian consumers , what will the hybrid Xbox / pc cost ? If I were to go fully pc next gen I wouldn’t want to be locked behind an ecosystem after putting over 1000k out for the console/pc/hybrid . It’s already off to a bad start

shadowfax33240d ago

the screen itself was key factor for Xbox ally x final retail price..the console wont have it.

but even if it did cost 1000$, if it can play new PC games in high settings then price is kinda justified.

shadowfax33240d ago

the screen itself was key factor for Xbox ally x final retail price..the console wont have it.
but even if it did cost 1000$, if it can play new PC games in high settings then price is kinda justified.

Eonjay241d ago

If it cost that much if better be upgradable otherwise it won't have the biggest advantages of either PC (upgradeability) or console (price/performance).

DarXyde241d ago

And this is the point I don't think Microsoft understands. Investing in their ecosystem after 2025 doesn't make sense to me. People playing on console are going to look at this price and scoff. It is probably also too late to make an ultra-powerful console: visual fidelity and frame rates are really in a good spot right now. With next generation platforms, no one should really be expecting anything astronomical. That will take serious power and the hardware to do that is simply not practical, especially in this economy with this US president.

Launching this thing has exclusively one benefit: You can play PlayStation and PC-exclusive games on Xbox (assuming it really does allow for Steam). But even then, why would any spend this much on static hardware?

I don't get this direction at all. Maybe they really do have pressure to get that 30% profit margin. If that's the case, I wouldn't count on them cutting down the price of hardware and selling it at a steep loss by allowing games on other platforms. But hey, they're the trillion-dollar company, so I might be just be talking about something I don't understand.

gold_drake240d ago

love how confident they are in their absolute idiocy

dveio240d ago

A console primarily is a choice by budget. And people have

• different budgets and
• only even want to spend different budgets

I think it's a bad business choice them leaving the console business.

And in turn a good business choice from Sony to keep building a classic home console with PS6. (Which I highly doubt won't even exceed nor even touch PS5 Pro's release price.)

When they bought Zenimax and ActivisionBlizzardKing, they should have upped their Xbox support program to 100bn and spend the rest of it for building studios & creating new games, giving their developers freedom & full creative control.

But they hit the roof at 75bn. This was it.

And then went to maximize profits by 30% starting Fall 2023, according to Bloomberg, and put their bets only on "Call of Duty in Gamepass will do".

I can already picture their next premium Xbox failing at a 90:10 chance.

Dark-soul240d ago

Not budged, if i want i can buy pc for 10k , but i prefer consoles, because games are better optimized on consoles and more cozy to sit in couch and play on huge 2 meter tv and have dolby atmos setup + ps5 controller is cool + nostalgia = i will always play on consoles

dveio240d ago

"Not budged, if i want i can buy pc for 10k“

Yeah. That's my second point above, like "or only even want to spend a specific budget".

But console gaming, no matter the direction of people's reasons, is a budget choice.

There's been a market for "a gaming box cheaper than a top gaming PC" for almost 40 years now.

And it will continue to exist.

Miraak82 240d ago

Optimized doesn't really mean better or the best version or experience you can have though . I'm ready to get into PC gaming again soon as I really don't want to play most new games on my base PS5, having to choose between gfx and performance is such a drag as choosing either/or is a hindered experience and I've felt it for some time now . I could waste money on a Pro or timegate myself till the ps6 comes out but I think I'm gonna step into the future now.

I'm like the complete opposite of you as my console setup is like a PC setup with a 27 monitor , gamer chair , big desk , headset and even have a KB hooked up to my ps5 .it's so hard to play competitive and mmo games on a big screen lol.

jwillj2k4240d ago

Console gaming is absolutely not just a budget choice. We want the exclusive games, better experience and to support the brands we like. Budgets do come into the picture but this is the same for every industry, including PC’s. This is why “budget gaming pc’s” with similar prices never sell like ps/nintendo.

Jin_Sakai240d ago

Another Xbox console will be DOA. Just stick to making games and leave the hardware behind. Xbox is over.

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