They only used one core for that game i bet if theybused more it would be 1080p.

They actually had the game running in 1080p, but it was a waste of fill rate as the game looked no different, so they used those resources for extra effects instead

@disciple9

Exactly my point, they didn't have the extra sauce for 1080p. Same reason Toki Tori 2 went 720, Pikmin 3, W101, MK8, etc.

Calm down you're taking this stuff way too seriously. God forbid people on the web have differing opinions than you.

I don't know if you think I was being sarcastic or what, I wasn't. What's wrong with being impressed by Shin'en's developing skills on a platform, much less a good game like Nano Assault?

SSpecs are great for arguing facts, such as PS4 being the strongest and therefor most graphically capable platform of generation eight. However in the end, the PC will gain parts in a year or so that flatten that console; it's just how the market has worked for decades.

And yet despite that people are very excited for the new consoles despite not necessarily being on par with PC tech. Why? Games. Games, games and more games. That's all it boils down to in the end. Subjectivity is the word I would use.

Love Killzone and Ratchet? PS4 > PC.

Love Mario and Zelda? Wii U > PS4.

Love Halo and Killer Instinct? XB1 > Wii U.

And I'm sure you could make an argument for PC, but I don't really follow PC games so I don't have one for that lol.

tl;dr Games will typically decide your favorite console, not its specs. The ones who SHOULD be concerned about specs are PC gamers since specs are very important for running games on the platform. With consoles, most games that are developed are tailored for it so you need not worry about such things.

What is your point? What does that have to do with anything I said?

I was going by the first part of your comment about power,you make sound like it's irrelevant,my point being if the game is pushing something to the extreme then it does matter.

@pop PC's are fragmented in power so there is not point trying max out 780 when most don't have that or a balance configuration.

WiiU has Havok nextgen built into devkits with compression x10,in other words 1GB is now 10GB,yes ps4 and xbox could also use it but what games would ever need 70GB or 50GB ? i'll tell u none a game bigger than say 10GB isnt even possible with the time and resourses you get even on a AAA game so RAM isn't a bottleneck sorry try again...

Plus if WiiU uses 1.5GB in the future that would be 15GB with compression...

Also Sony themselves said ps4 isn't much more powerful than ps3,Sony's words.....?

Also X is open world everything you see is realtime and Killzone was just a fps not in an open word and X still looked technically better,also X is doing lots more open world,mech vehicles,land,air,water,city&# 39;s,weather cycles even rainbows,ect Killzone does none of these things sorry....

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

PC/Nintendo always worked for me, it's the perfect combination IMO. When PC has the power and tons of games, Wii U has the exclusives that I really want to play.

I have to agree, even the best looking game on Xbox One, Titanfall is coming to PC and that was the only thing swaying me to buy that console. When you don't bother with Sony or Microsoft and have a PC you only miss out on a few good games and most times they are not really system sellers in my opinion. But with Nintendo you could miss out on loads of great games that you can only get on a Nintendo system. Hence why the industry is pushing for them to go third party so much, cos they want Nintendo games but don't want a Nintendo console. Foolish if you ask me cos like with all things in life, you can't have it all

It's not the same engine.

UE4 mobile is not UE4 used on PC and consoles, the same with Frostbite Go.

ABizzel1 The PS4 UE4 demo didnt look as good as the PC demo so my guess is no console version is the same as the PC version.

I fear that the slow announcments of games may stem from the low point in Wii U sales that have plagued the system for the past few months. It may also be caused by the release of poorly made ports from a number of developers hoping to make some fast money off of the system's initial release.

Quality game creation is a slow process and if there is rumor and conjecture surrounding the system, saddly some may opt out of creating games for it.

On the bright side however, more support may come due to the apparent success of Pikmin 3 in Japan. Since its release two days ago, The Wii U is above PS3 and X360 in sales. If those sales translate over to the North American and European markets, then sales will hopefully be back on track, and support will also return.

"If it is so easy to program for, why do the games take so long to surface?
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When people say it's easy to develop for console X they mean it's easy to interface with the hardware to perform certain features. Thus programing for said console is easy.

This however has NOTHING to do with the complexity of crafting your games and the direction you're heading into. Gamelogic and Art assets need time.

New games usually build on modules from other other projects. Such as A.I. components. This saves tremendous time. But specific game mechanics most of the time need to be written from either ground up or in combination with existing code. Standard game assets are mostly reused, specific art assets is build from the ground up.
Starting from scratch takes way more time. Either Way you need to write code and create assets.

The complexity of the project is determined by the ambitions of the developers/designers. WiiUs api takes away most of the low level programming and gives developers a high level interface. This way developers can focus more on creating games and its content. Games simply take time to make, Nintendo only gave them some leverage so that they get their project off the ground faster. After that developers need to do all the complex stuff that makes the game.

Look at how many ported games ran on the Wii U without much of an issue without an immense amount of optimization... Some of them actually had PC Textures also like Need for Speed and Trine...

The games that ported over to the Wii U from the 360 and PS3 were late gen releases.. It took those consoles almost to the end of their lifespan to be able to produce that kind visual fidelity.. The Wii U is running all those ports on roughly 1.2ghz and at less than half the wattage (33w peak output so far).. It is also doing it without much optimization to its tools to build software.. PS3 and XBOX had the benefit of the tools being refined over 5 to 6 years.. You couldnt even IMAGINE The Last of Us on a PS3 until what 6 years later? It took multiple uncharted games to get there.

Also lets not forget it is also mirroring it to the tablet as well in a separate resolution. COD Blackops 2 can run split screen on the tablet and television with each player doing their own thing...

The Wii U has power .. it has shown it by running most prior gen games with little optimization... Once we see a game actually built FROM the ground up on the Wii U a year or so from now we will all start to see what it can do ...

Nano Assault and Pikmin are a good indication of what it can do now .. but after Smash Bros and Mario Kart we will see what it truly can do.

If you take into account the separate ARM processor that runs the operating system, and leaves the 3 CPU cores for pure gaming, the Wii U, for all intents and purposes is a quad core.

Also, considering the small amount of RAM the last gen systems had, AND had a large portion of dedicated to the OS, the fact that many of the tougher memory intensive tasks are handled by the eDRAM, then the 1 gig dedicated to gaming, and 2 gigs overall of the Wii U is quite a jump.

Plain and simple, specs wise, PS4 and XBox One have more RAM, and more powerful GPU's. CPU-wise though, all things considered (cores dedicated to this and that, much longer pipelines, and lower core per core performance), the Wii U can hang, and overall, the Wii U is behind, but is a plenty capable machine.

"If you take into account the separate ARM processor that runs the operating system, and leaves the 3 CPU cores for pure gaming, the Wii U, for all intents and purposes is a quad core."

From what the developer said the Wii U is a Tri-Core CPU, that functions more like a single core CPU that acts with tri-threading but weaker threads.

The ARM processor running the OS is great for CPU usage, but that doesn't help with the fact that the CPU isn't good to begin with.

"Also, considering the small amount of RAM the last gen systems had, AND had a large portion of dedicated to the OS, the fact that many of the tougher memory intensive tasks are handled by the eDRAM, then the 1 gig dedicated to gaming, and 2 gigs overall of the Wii U is quite a jump."

The 360 only had 10% of RAM dedicated to the OS while playing games, the PS3; however, has the same problems the Wii U has with split RAM . The eDRAM is beneficial, but it doesn't help with the fact that the RAM isn't large enough for the evolving demand of games (see the trend).

When bringing a game from PC down to PS360 there are HUGE compromises to where generally 2 teams have to build 2 versions of the same game. Those same compromises are going to have to be made for the Wii U, the problem for Nintendo right now is that the Wii U hasn't sold enough units to warrant the work it takes to port it down to the Wii U, while PS360 have about 80 million users each, and PS4 and X1 can receive a direct port since they're powerful enough. That's why developers are saying the Wii U will end up being a Nintendo 1st party only platform if they don't get sales up, and they don't drop publishing fees (which they've just done).

"Plain and simple, specs wise, PS4 and XBox One have more RAM, and more powerful GPU's. CPU-wise though, all things considered (cores dedicated to this and that, much longer pipelines, and lower core per core performance), the Wii U can hang, and overall, the Wii U is behind, but is a plenty capable machine."

I agree, the CPU realm of all 3 consoles are lackluster IMO. The 8 cores for the PS4 and X1 are their saving grace, but the jump in CPU performance from the last gen isn't comparable to the RAM and GPU outside of OOE.

Overall the Wii U is more powerful than the PS360, but none of the 3 are powerful enough to continue into the next-gen. Lifetime sales are the only thing that will keep the support coming.

Have you seen the X trailer? It looks better than any ps360 game i've played by a longshot.