One of 'em.

@Enemy:

You are misinformed:

"When it comes to the state of software development on PS4, the situation as it stands is surprising. On the one hand, freely playable first-party titles such as Knack and DriveClub suffer from noticeable frame-rate stutters down from 30fps, while on the other, "hands off" demos for the new Infamous and Assassin's Creed games appear to run without a perceptible hitch. This is in stark contrast to the playable software confirmed to be running direct from Xbox One hardware, such as Forza Motorsport 5 and Killer Instinct, which benefit to no end for targeting the 1080p60"

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Their was a NeoGAF source that said MS wasn't even planning for a 2013 release. This was weeks before the Xbone reveal. Their original plan was for 2014 near Christmas. Sony forced their hand with the Feb reveal.

"PS4 2014 Release Date Explained"

We're, um, waiting for the Xbox One.

Yeah.

@Enemy

That and I think this rides on the same problem as any other multiplatform online game is Microsoft isn't willing to show Blizzard any attention because Microsoft DEMANDS exclusivity, they do not want Shared servers, they know PS3's getting it and PS4 so, Microsoft would 'ALLOW' or to their minds 'Give permission' to Blizzard to make Diablo 3 on 360 or X1 if they got exclusive content or timed exclusivity. I'm getting the impression that Blizzard isn't going with that or are discussing things behind closed doors

@ nukeitall

Thanks for the old article has there been a newer article? Take in mind this is an E3 article when a lot of the PS4 demos were run on same spec PC's and some dev kits. A lot of XBone demos were run on higher end PC's with better graphics cards (NVIDIA), which won't even be in the XBone. I don't mind those articles but remember it's been a month already any of those frame rate issues would most likely be fixed.

@MWong:

I haven't seen any article, but I think it is stupid to have this conversation in the first place. Of course, there will be hiccups and unfinished software during launch development on all platforms. Why are we judging a platform before it is released and making false assumptions.

There is no reason to discuss this. My point was to point out what *you* and many others (including Enemy) are incorrectly stating that Xbox One games weren't run on Xbox One hardware during E3 and that everything isn't sun and daisies across the pond either.

There was only one game (of first party) shown on PC hardware and that was Lococycle as pointed out here by the devs themselves:

http://www.forzacentral.com...

Also, notice how Jonathan Blow is on a mission to smear the Xbox One/MS.

Anyhow, all Xbox One games playable on the floor was on Xbox One hardware.

I haven't seen anything about the PS4 development status, but keep in mind that a lot of these demos or done way in advance of the actual current state of their build i.e. it takes a lot of resources and they do it in advance, not the day of from the latest build!

People can disagree all they want, but A FACT IS A FACT RIGHT?

It's ok you can let that article help tuck you in at night. The bottomline is I always find it funny that people will fight tooth and nail for their console. I could careless who sales more consoles, I'll be playing both the PS4 and XBone (eventually). I still use my PS3 & Wii and have my XB360 for GoW every once in a while.

Also from that article it looks like more than just 1 station was being run on a PC/Alpha Dev kit. Also since you obviously know M$. You know M$ acknowledged the PC's/Dev kits being used were running on Windows7 & Nvidia GTX 700 series GPU. I don't care if it's a dev kit or a PC to run demo's on you say it's right to use something that has a different CPU & GPU than what your system is actually going to use?

I want you to really think about it and tell me not being a fanboy. Being a gamer and tell me if you think that makes sense?

@Nukeit...maybe some more quotes from the same article?

Like:

"No smoke or mirrors from Sony - everything we saw was running on PS4 hardware. But it's still early days and many of the games clearly require a lot of optimisation."

Or this:

"We leave Sony's E3 booth undoubtedly impressed, with two key takeaways in light of the Xbox One's rivalling offerings. Firstly, though almost all launch titles on show appear to be running directly from PS4 hardware, it's a touch disappointing to discover the likes of Thief and Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag are only currently being demonstrated by proxy of an on-hand developer. This was a very closely guarded event indeed, suggesting a lack of confidence in the progress of development for some of these titles."

What to make out of this, huh? Fact is, that PS4 titles ran on dev kits, X1's are unclear.

Freaking Hulu X-file ad playing right as I read your comment.

Spooky!

come on people give nuketail a break after he saw PS4 was going to be $100 cheaper he went into hibernation and just google searched like "google search for good X Box one news"........searching... ......... No good news was found :(
@ TheRealHeisenberg just like in 2006 trough 2008 it was for ps3 owners here just endure like they did because payback is a b****

Diablo 3 on PS4 will be fun.
Day 1 buy!

so in other words Diablo 3 is PS4 exclusive right now.

@abzdine

No, Diablo 3 is on 360.

@BallsEye:

ok i'll rephrase that..

so in other words Diablo 3 is PS4 exclusive on next gen consoles right now.

i know it's coming to PS3 but the same game on next gen and old gen everyone who has a next gen console will go for the new thing i guess.

Didn't have much of a problem running it with my 360 pad on my PC last year.

Diablo 2 is a masterpiece that I still play to this day. Diablo 3 on the other hand is a game that I can play and then forget after finishing it. The always online feature is an abomination that made me hate the game even more. I am pretty certain that this always online will also be implemented in the console version.

edit: I didn't know there was an offline mode now....but still i prefer Diablo 2