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DmC: Devil May Cry team close their discussion forums

Could this be the beginning of the end?

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Mr_Nuts4691d ago

I know people will loose their jobs and I'm very sorry for that but after the whole dmc thing they brought it on themselfs.

The only person to blame is Tameem Antoniades

Well least we'll know dmc will never get a sequel

jc485734691d ago

you also have Capcom to blame no matter how much you used to love the company.

jimbobwahey4691d ago

It's hilarious in my opinion.

Ninja Theory gave fans the finger, and fans gave the finger back. Now Ninja Theory is paying the price for their arrogance. Well deserved, I think.

Skips4691d ago

Should've just made Heavenly Sword 2. lol

abzdine4690d ago

Those guys have been so arrogant towards PS3 and Sony post Heavenly Sword and the funny thing is that HS is the Ninja Theory game that sold the most.
Now go back to Sony and make Heavenly Sword 2

Aery4690d ago

Don't think negative.

... and yes, DmC is an awesome game.

AsimLeonheart4690d ago

Looks like it is the end for Ninja Theory. That is what you get for running your mouths and making mediocre games.

Aery4690d ago (Edited 4690d ago )

So you think negative ?

Well, I enjoy almost every games, so ... good for me and bad for all that people who prefer to hate a game without ever trying it ...

And NT make mediocre game ?
You guys love to hate.
It's so shame ...

Blacktric4690d ago

"You guys love to hate."

And you guys love to support crap that gets bombarded with negative reviews by the community solely to have a sense of difference from the regular crowd.

See, you are not the only one who can end up reaching to some conclusion by reading one sentence someone wrote.

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zeal0us4691d ago (Edited 4690d ago )

Well Tameen did say "I don't care if it sells a thousand units or two million." Even went so far to called the fanbase a "demographic that doesn’t exist."

Well the fanbase showed Capcom and him with their wallets and the game sold/shipped under 1.5million copies.

Don't get wrong the game was good but it was how the developers(specifically Tameen) handled this.

Imho DMC:DMC never really felt like a reboot. At best it felt like some story in a alternate universe. Did the series really needed a reboot? There was still a lot left to be told.

OrangePowerz4690d ago

As a long time DmC fan I was upset about the change of the character but I still enjoyed the game and think it was a good game with very interesting art design.

TheTwelve4690d ago

@Sonic200 --- Heavenly Sword 2 would have guaranteed sold more.

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Godmars2904691d ago

DMC: DmC was just a bad idea handled badly.

jc485734691d ago

there were better ways they could have handled this, but it felt like they forced it on us. There's also the trash talking you simply can't take back once is out to the public.

karl4690d ago

i thought the game was pretty good..

was it really that bad?

maybe they shouldnt have called it Devil may cry and thing may have turned out differently ...

or was it just shit to u guys regardless

Godmars2904690d ago

That it was called DMC when its more a clone, basically was made because Capcom drove out its original dev while still exploit the IP, reboot it with Western audiences in mind when there really wasn't anything wrong with the series, is what made the game "bad".

Ninja Theory's initial arrogant insults towards fans as well as earlier series entries didn't help either.

Vandamme214691d ago

DMC Devil May Cry was an awesome game..but the problem was DMC wasn't ready for a reboot...we don't even know who nero really is and what happen to Dante after Devil May Cry 2.

Roccetarius4691d ago

DMC 4 was half a game, because Capcom cut a ton of content that was supposed to be in it. That's why it doesn't feel very fleshed out.

wishingW3L4690d ago

On top of it, Kamiya wanted to make the game but Capcom didn't let him. He could have evolved the franchise way beyond DMC3 but after the first DMC game Capcom took it off his hands only to give it to a mediocre developer to ruin it and then pass it to Ninja Theory for a mediocre reboot.

The DMC franchise was doomed from the very beginning by Capcom itself.

Aaroncls74691d ago

I kept an open mind, and enjoyed most of DmC.
But the truth is that was not what people wanted.

I disliked DMC4, despite the awesome gameplay mechanics, I was very disappointed with the game in general; specially with Dante's character. It was bland, generic, and plain out cheesy. Reboot Dante was better approached, IMO.

I just hope good stuff comes out of this, Capcom should just fucking call Platinum Games already, although I doubt Kamiya would jump at the offer right away...

Vandamme214690d ago

I thought the same too... Dante's character in dmc4 was cheesy. In dmc3 I didn't mind him being cheesy because he was young...but since he was older looking in dmc4..I didn't like that.

Foxgod4691d ago (Edited 4691d ago )

That game was pretty polished, the gameplay was very smooth.
DMC4 was clunky compared to the reboot.
These guys just need better direction.

Roccetarius4691d ago (Edited 4691d ago )

I'm not sure what you think was clunky in DMC 4. The combat was some of the best in the series, especialyl Dante's style.

The backtracking and story content, is where Capcom cut a lot of content from.

Blacktric4691d ago

"DMC4 was clunky compared to the reboot."

This is a joke, right? Except for the cut amount of cut content, Devil May Cry 4 was a great game and it was leaps and bounds ahead of the overly simplified combat of DmC.

CrossingEden4691d ago (Edited 4691d ago )

that's a shame because this was a very good game if you weren't constantly looking through hypocritical rose tinted glasses, if you ever called the new dante emo while defending these hair styles
http://images5.fanpop.com/i...
http://media.animevice.com/... which looks drastically similar to this
http://images6.fanpop.com/i...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-a...
http://imalbum.aufeminin.co...
btw, they do look drastically similar
http://fc03.deviantart.net/...
then you are a hypocrite nostalgia fanboy, don't ever complain about companies not trying new ideas again when all of you whine so badly, and even to say, "oh but they insulted us" is hypocritical because you children sent death threats, hate mail, and negativity to anything and everything that had to do with this game, this too "oh but it's nothing like a devil may cry game"
if that were true this wouldn't exist
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
and neither would these
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
or this
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
so yes, once again, thanks for holding gaming back yet again fanboys, you can go back to whining about companies not trying new things now
smh

zerocrossing4690d ago

Holding gaming back? what makes you say that?

First of all the original Dante was no "Emo" he was way too happy and jovial, also simply wearing Gothic attire does not make one an "Emo" Secondly the new DmC brought nothing "new" to the series except for a very linear platforming mechanic so that's hardly a reason for the franchise to go on as is.

In the end the fans spoke with their wallets, most people didn't like the new direction NT was taking and that's that. But hey, if you enjoyed the reboot then fair enough but clearly you're in the minority otherwise the game wouldn't have flopped so bad.

CrossingEden4690d ago

-new dante didn't have a care in the world
-dmc4 didn't add anything significant but a rehash of dante and mroe moves, DmC was the first devil may cry game where you could wield every weapon in the game at one and use them all in a single combo as well as being able to transfer pause combos into other weapons
-it also was the first game in the series where the environment was a factor during gameplay and wasn't just a static battleground
-DmC sold 1,1 million copies and is on capcom's platinum game list, if that's what you call a flop then i guess dragons' dogma also flopped because it sold 1.3 million copies and is also on that list, if the game truly was a flop then NT would've closed down by now and would'nt be working on another project

Kenshin_BATT0USAI4690d ago

@Crossing Eden.

DMC4 sold more than DmC:DmC with a significantly less install base.
Dragon's Dogma was a completely new IP and still sold better as well.

That speaks volumes for their PR campaign. Whether DmC:DmC was good is completely irrelevant if it under performed so heavily.

pr0t0typeknuckles4690d ago

So your saying a downgrade, with a terrible character,with a company that insults the fans,a company that insults the original creators,a company that insults tge character of dante,and a company that just insults everything about the franchise in general deserve to be forgiven, and again your tge only fool still arguing about tge hair newsflash the main problem wasnt the hair dude, your the real fool holding gaming back.

As for the hair,no matter what when you reboot,or remake something,the character should still show that they look like the character they are based on,new Lara croft still looks like Lara croft,every incarnation of the prince of persia looks like a Persian adventurer,rick Taylor,freddy kruger,link etc...besides you know that had the same drastic character design happened to kratos,Mario,or master chief people would flip,cause lets not forget link got a cel shaded design and people cried about it,same thing for the prince of persia be got a cel shaded design and people cried about it and those characters werent completly different,it was the sole fact that they were cel shaded(which is a stupid reason not to play a game).

zeal0us4690d ago (Edited 4690d ago )

DMC:DMC was a flop regardless how well receive it was. Capcom themselves admitted this. They said it failed to capture Eastern gamers attention. Well sure it was on Japan's top chart but the sales were less than half of that of DMC4.

Capcom also said delayed response to the expanding digital contents market"; "insufficient coordination between the marketing and the game development divisions in overseas markets"; and a "decline in quality due to excessive outsourcing."

NT is a independent game company, which I am pretty sure staff numbers are small especially after their parent company Argonaut Game defunct. My guess for the only reason they haven't closed yet is because they might have some money left over from deals they made with Sony(Heavenly Sword), Namco(Enslaved) and Capcom(DMC:DMC).

If Sony had owned them we most likely would've seen HS2. If Namco had own them we would've seen them shutdown because Enslaved only manage to ~460,000 copies. Capcom probably would had combined them with another one of their studios or just shut them down like Namco probably would've done.

Why would DMC:DMC be considered a flop while Dragon Dogma isn't? Dragon Dogma manage to sell 1million copies only after one month of its release. DMC:DMC just finally manage to sell 1million copies almost three months of its release. I am pretty sure the budget DD was lower given that it was a new IP. While DMC:DMC budget was higher given that it was a game from a known series.

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Empowering Creators and Players With Muse, a Generative AI Model for Gameplay

"Introducing Muse, a new kind of generative AI model that lets you play and create. From developer ideation to one day supporting game preservation, Muse holds potential to unlock new possibilities." so says Microsoft

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Abriael446d ago

Absolutely slimy to use game preservation as a thinly-veiled excuse to continue peddling generative AI garbage. 😡

Eonjay445d ago (Edited 445d ago )

MUSE
Massive Unmitigated Suspension for Employees.

Lets get this straight. When they say its to asisst creators, they mean assist executive managment. Tell me this, if companies stop paying real people to do real work, who is going to be able to buy anyone else's AI generated products in the first place?

Abriael445d ago

You're definitely preaching to the choir. If you read my own version of the news (it's in the alt sources), it's one of the few times I took the fuc*ing gloves on. I was pissed all day after reading this crap.

Jingsing446d ago (Edited 446d ago )

Microsoft's latest push into mediocrity and billions wasted. I do wonder if Microsoft will eventually meet the same fate as Intel.

staticall446d ago

They need to replace Xbox execs with generative AI. It'll do less damage than Phil and the gang for sure

> a first of its kind generative AI model trained on Ninja Theory’s multiplayer battle arena game, Bleeding Edge
Yikes
This is a "Coming soon" from their gaming copilot thingy they're so proud of https://www.youtube.com/wat...
Dunno, feels and looks awful to me

And they didn't explain how they're planning to preserve older games, just some world salad
> To imagine that beloved games lost to time and hardware advancement could one day be played on any screen with Xbox is an exciting possibility for us
This doesn't explain anything. How can they run the older games without hardware it's tied to? Magic?

Whole article actually feels like a world salad galore. Did they use AI to write this?

P. S.: Calling it «Muse» is disgusting.

jznrpg438d ago (Edited 438d ago )

At Xbox we shit on our employees and our customers. Now who is going to buy this nearly no effort game?

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Unfortunately, Ninja Theory Isn't Actually Safe From Microsoft

Ninja Theory might have games in the pipeline, but that doesn't mean Xbox won't close it for no reason

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rlow1720d ago

Alot of speculation on their part. Ninja Theory has two games that have been green lighted and are in the works. Yes it’s always a possibility they could be closed but no matter how you feel about the Senua games. They do make a quality game. I personally think MS is going lay low for a bit, after the firestorm they experienced last week.

darthv72720d ago

I really hope one of them is a long awaited sequel of heavenly sword or enslaved. Both are good games that deserve a 2nd chance... or at least a reboot.

blackblades720d ago

I'm 100% doubt its heavenly sword for obvious reason and Enslave 99% doubt it.

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Rynxie720d ago

Santa Monica is a great studio, but I would rather the minds behind the original make it (ninja theory). I never liked sequels that were done by someone else, they are usually never as good as the original.

rlow1720d ago

Enslaved would be awesome. If they did a remaster, then the next game in the series…..one can hope.

Yui_Suzumiya719d ago

Hopefully they'd get Evan Wells back for a sequel to Enslaved. After the original Enslaved he went on to Naughty Dog and did The Last of Us.

neutralgamer1992719d ago

darth

HS IP is owned by sony and enslaved sold so poorly that you want a sequel now? let's say a sequel is made and sells like the first than this studio is for sure shut down. Their next game needs to be a big hit(if there is a next game)

rlow1

that's not how business works, if a studio needs to go it will go whether ot not that will come with negative PR. They just spent 100 billion and now they are in the phase to find out which studios will survive and which needs to go to cut costs. NT let a huge opportunity slip away, they had the backing of MS and the sequel has even less gameplay, that makes zero sense

Chevalier719d ago

How?! Sony owns one IP and Bandai owns the other one

Plague-Doctor27719d ago

Heavenly Sword IP is owned by Sony and Enslaved IP is owned by Namco Bandai

Hellblade was the only IP that Ninja Theory themselves owned when MS acquired them

Sonic1881719d ago

Heavenly Sword or Enslaved didn't sell that well

Cacabunga719d ago

NT completely lost it since dmc, their
last good game to date! And has been a long time since.
An average studio at best, got lured by MS money and forgot to improve

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Rynxie720d ago

They make quality games, but they're usually hit or miss. Either they are average, or they are awesome. However, besides heavenly sword and DMC, they aren't big sellers either. Ms is as big of a corporation as it gets. If ninja theory isn't making them money, they will shut them down. Simple as that.

MrDead720d ago

Studio survival no matter who is reliant on MS's quarterly reports, if MS is looking to save money then studios like Ninja Theory are gone as we've seen with Tango and others. MS has their IP's, the devs mean nothing to them but a handy tool to balance the books with layoffs.

DarXyde719d ago

Eh, maybe. Microsoft seems like a phenomenally wealthy company that's (generally) wise with how they handle their finances. What they're not wise with is how they spend social capital. As soon as they get it, they spend it by doing something nefarious. Can't say they're the only ones of course.

Will they get rid of Ninja Theory? No earthly idea. Honestly, I have a hard time even speculating about it because we don't have any details on performance metrics. If I had to guess... And really, this is is a guess... It's just about engagement. It's the only thing that makes sense to me. If you've got a popular mobile game or MTX-heavy multiplayer game, you're safe. King and Activision aren't going anywhere. Even if player count tapers off, MTX keep them in the game as a form of engagement.

But then you've got single player games. I suspect that's a losing battle because single player games, unfortunately don't get long term engagement broadly. So games launching half baked is perhaps a strategy for the studios themselves to get people coming back to their games? It would make some sense, but it doesn't match with studios being surprised at the closures.

All of this to say, we'll just have to wait and see. The simplest explanation with the most streamlined thinking on the matter is just that they're getting rid of studios they see as dead weight in the long run. HFR was quite well received, but I guess it doesn't translate into happy investors because it's critical acclaim and not commercial success exactly. Bethesda isn't going anywhere. Making very long RPGs kind of saves you automatically in terms of engagement.

But on the other side of this, while studios don't close per se, nothing stops them or any other company from just cutting the work force within each studio.

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Einhander1972720d ago

It's not for no reason.

The reason is they made two games that were underwhelming (Bleeding Edge) and didn't/aren't going to grow the user base for game pass.

They spent 5-7 years and this was what they produced, it's easy to see how they would be on the short list for termination at this point.

Sciurus_vulgaris720d ago

One thing to point out was that all the recently closed studios were under Bethesda. Before being purchased by MS, Bethesda had a slew of poor or under performing titles (Evil Within 2, Prey (2017), Wolfenstein: The New Colossus, Young Blood, and initially Fallout 76 ). I don’t think, Ghost Wire Tokyo, Deathloop, Redfall and sadly even High-Fi: Rush performed well after the buyout.

Einhander1972720d ago (Edited 720d ago )

I bet this game with a 5-7 year dev cycle being launched directly onto game pass is going to generate less tangible cash profit than any of those games.

I'm sure Microsoft will brag about players or sword swings or some other pointless statistic, but those don't make cash money.

Chevalier719d ago

You do realize it took 3 platforms and like 2 years to sell 1 million for Hellblade 1 right? Added in 3 more platforms and it didn't move much.

Now cut our 4 platforms. How many copies do you think this will sell?! Not just played on Gamepass

Lightning77720d ago (Edited 720d ago )

Apparently Ninja Theory is safe From being closed down https://www.gamespot.com/ar...

Already working on a new game. They are a 80 person team and relatively inexpensive I suppose to any other publisher

Buuuuut.

Yeaah sorry this is MS, I don't believe anything MS says. They have to be joking if they think anyone will believe them besides gullible Xbox fanboys. Once again MS needs to earn my trust back. Just when they earn some trust back, they always seem to destroy it and have to work to get it back. I still think they're getting shut down and canceling whatever game they're making because the game won't sell, again MS fault for not advertising it.. This company man...

FPSRUSSIA720d ago

the article talks about that to i recommend checking it out when you get a chance.

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outsider1624720d ago

The problem with this game probably not selling will be because of Gamepass. Every comment i see from xbox players are "dude, no need to buy this amazing game, just get it on gamepass"

Will it sell well based on word of mouth? Will they release it on ps5? Will ps players buy this game vs free on gamepass? Time will tell.

JBlaze226719d ago

Look at what happened to Hi Fi Rush.The game was sold on PS5 and didn't sell well.

JBlaze226719d ago

I mean Sony has done worst and no one speaks up about it.

outsider1624719d ago (Edited 719d ago )

Well i dont know about hi fi rush..as i didnt buy it. I mean others are getting it on gamepass..so ill just wait it for psplus. Im guessing others are doing the same..soo..

Sure Sony has done it too..and people are vocal about it. Look at the helldivers fiasco for example..they got called out.

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Knightofelemia720d ago

I don't see Microsoft shutting off the lights to Ninja Theory. As a studio they actually have talent and have released some decent games. I love Enslaved maybe a sleeper hit but it's one of my favorites. Only way I see Microsoft shutting off the lights is if Ninja Theory releases games that sink faster then a lead weight. And there are fans of Ninja Theory one thing I would hate to see is Ninja Theory ending up like Bioware. Loosing all their talent and being a former shell of what they use to be.

Elda720d ago

Never say never. Tango Gameswork were just as talented as Ninja Theory & they were shut down.

darthv72719d ago

And they were also under Bethesda... Ninja Theory is not.

Profchaos719d ago

I honestly blame starfeild and Microsoft for the closure of arkane and tango it didn't turn a profit like other huge Bethesda games. If it .are fallout 4 money Bethesda would have had the capital to share among the other studios. Microsoft should of also had the ability to step in and save the studio but decided to kill them instead likely because of Bethesda's financial failure with starfield and Microsoft's stupid goal of turning gaming into a subscription that everyone and their grandmas subscribe to

shaenoide720d ago

To be honest for Microsoft (not Microsoft gaming) it's all about making for the 70 billion purchase of AKB. No matter how good the games are. If they don't generate sales or new gamepass subs the studios can be shutted down.

Rynxie720d ago (Edited 720d ago )

Yes, they make decent games, but do they sell? Unfortunately, no. Heavenly sword sold 1.5 million, even when the ps3 had a much lower install base than the 360. However, it's not a ninja theory ip. Enslaved sold poorly. DMC, sold well, but that's also not a ninja theory ip. Hellblade was a hit, but in my opinion, barely. Hellblade 2, unfortunately, might be a flop. There's no bigger corporation than Ms, they are as corporate as they come. If ninja theory isn't making them money, they will get shut down and their ips giving to another studio.

Elda720d ago

It was just announced that MS gave NT the greenlight for its next game. I just hope it's not another Hellblade. https://www.yahoo.com/tech/...

shaenoide720d ago

Tango was working on a new game.

jznrpg719d ago

Xbox - Green light
MS - Red light

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Senua's Saga: Hellblade 2 launch trailer will send shivers down your spine

Ninja Theory's latest trailer for their highly anticipated narrative action-adventure Senua's Saga: Hellblade 2 is absolute cinema.

Reaper22_721d ago

Like I said before, buying Ninja Theory was one of the smartest moves by Microsoft. Games looks incredible.

Rynxie721d ago

Unfortunately, their games aren't big sellers. Will MS shut them down if hellblade 2 sells below expectations?

outsider1624721d ago

If it sells below expectations, then i expect it to come to PS5.

Elda721d ago

The game may be a critical hit & still can get shut down. I highly doubt most XB owners will buy this game including the fact that it's digital only at $50. Most folks that have Gamepass will play the game through the sub service. If the reviews tomorrow are just average to low then that's another problem.

Obscure_Observer721d ago

"Like I said before, buying Ninja Theory was one of the smartest moves by Microsoft. Games looks incredible."

Indeed.

Just a few hours to go

I can´t wait!

z2g721d ago

badass. already installed via gamepass. if its as great as the first one I will pay for the whole game.

glenn1979721d ago

I just don't understand why all the down votes

jwillj2k4721d ago

Here we go again. Is this a game or a choose your own adventure???

purple101721d ago

if you choose left, turn to page 39, if you proceed forward, turn to page 43, to turn right, page 209, you finished the book early,

no but seriously this looks like Microsofts first hit, or should I say, first game of standout quality.

jwillj2k4721d ago

Never questioned the quality. Question is will there be a need for the controller.

anast721d ago

The time machine 'choose your own' were awesome.

Tedakin721d ago

If it's anything like the first game, you will spend a lot of timing walking and solving puzzles, with some fights thrown in.

Elda721d ago

LOL! Didn't send any shivers down my spine but I'll demo it after midnight tonight through Gamepass to see what it's giving.

Obscure_Observer721d ago

After the midnight? I see...

Day one as expected for another game that you said you had zero interest.

Elda721d ago (Edited 721d ago )

Finally making a re-appearance. When the heat was on about XB closing studios you were crickets on all articles. Now that the heat has died down all of a sudden you're here on an XB exclusive article or should I say a timed exclusive...lol!! If you must know I can demo this game at midnight because the University I work at is closed for the summer so I can play video games until my heart's content until the end of August when I go back to work. That's what Gamepass is for, knowing I would not spend $50 on Hellblade 2 because the first one I thought was boring so I'm going to see if this one is still boring or is it interesting by demoing the game.

PhillyDonJawn721d ago

I'm surprised you're interested

Elda721d ago

Why not I have a year subscription to Gamepass, I don't have to spend $50 on a digital only game that I may not like including I'm on a lengthy vacation from work.

rlow1721d ago

It looks amazing, I’m hoping the reviews are solid. You can tell the studio really poured their heart and soul into this one.

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