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Xbox One U-turn - has Microsoft done enough?

Guardian - Are you pleased with Microsoft's DRM concessions on the Xbox One, or do you think more needs to be done?

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Need4Game4702d ago

Nope, make it $299 with Kinect, and can play games without Kinect attached.

PSVita4701d ago

They still need to make money lol

They could just remove the need to HAVE to have kinect and sell two different SKUs.

mikeslemonade4701d ago

I told you so..

I told you Microsoft would either change there stance or price before the launch of the console.

Godmars2904701d ago

You honestly think that a $200 price drop isn't a bit much?

brish4701d ago

For new hardware they would be losing a lot of money by selling it at $299.

I think they should have a $399 option that doesn't include kinect.

NihonjinChick4701d ago (Edited 4701d ago )

I don't think that's going to happen since Kinect is required for it to work.

pompombrum4701d ago

^^^You mean like how they couldn't just "flip the switch" and take out DRM? Kinect is an accessory at best and them treating it like anything else is going to backfire.

jmc88884701d ago

What's sad is that there were all these morons talking about how the DRM was 'built into the console', and how they couldn't take it out.

It takes one big sheep to believe that.

Now people are sadly saying the same thing about Kinect2.

It's so sad that people don't have the critical thinking skills (and barely any is needed) to see past all this bs.

These same people generally think that
a) Kinect won't spy on them
b) Because it 'wont' spy on them, they won't get exploited from it
c) also therefor thousands of companies WON'T be trading this data
d) there's no reason for anyone to see them in their underwear or know how big they are or whatnot ($$$$ on one end, blackmail on the other, and a whole lot in between).

The simple fact is Kinect2 will be exploiting you, the question is, some will be exploited more than others. Some might just get double their health or life insurance. Others might have far worse done to them.

georgeenoob4701d ago (Edited 4701d ago )

You guys need to stop taking these fanboys seriously.

Hicken4701d ago

I don't think too many take you seriously, so there's nothing to worry about.

harkki864701d ago

i don't know about you guys but i already had enough with the 360. despite being a girl i thought all the kinect stuff was totally lame (even though i was the target audience for that junk) and now microsoft still wants to force us to buy it? yeah right.

i was really hopeful for the next xbox because i was hoping they would go back to the way they were when the xbox 360 first came out. they made a lot of great games back then!

fermcr4701d ago

@Need4Game

$299 !!! Why not give it away for free and include 50 games with it ?

You should major in business school. You have a gift... that would take any company to bankruptcy.

Zichu4701d ago

You have to realize, a price drop would mean they would most likely increase the price of something for them to make a profit.

They could do it to anything... LIVE, GoD, MSP, Controllers, Headsets, etc.

I would prefer it if they would release an SKU without Kinect and drop the price from £430 to the PS4's price which is £350.

himdeel4701d ago

MS cannot remove Kinect now. It's the feature that they are touting as a unique feature to Xbox One games. Besides why would any developer bother implementing Kinect features if now not every Xbox One consumer has one.

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talisker4701d ago

Mandatory camera watching all the time is worse for me than any DRM and Internet requirements.

asmith23064701d ago

Exactly! No one seems to be talking about having a camera under your TV all the time. M$ have said that it won't be on, but I dunno, these days I wouldn't believe that.

xxLuckyStrike4701d ago (Edited 4701d ago )

Unless it was Sony haha!!! I'd pay top dollar or euro to see the spin on that one. Given that Sony now charges for online multi-player. Sony elitists were jedi mind tricked while high and drunk off all in the M$ bashing. Then later awoke only to eat all their words compiled over the last 8+ years. Now praising Sony for charging them on the way to bank!!! Spin it baby!!! Spin it!!!

Foxgod4701d ago

I dont see how kinect watching is a problem is you can take your console offline.

If you are scared off that, just never go online...
And while at it, never use a phone, never use a laptop, a pc, or any other form of interactive media, because they might be watching.

Retroman4701d ago

Dont you think you went little over board with that?? boogey man not coming out of kinect 2.0

Foxgod4701d ago (Edited 4701d ago )

Personally i think people already go overboard when they claim kinect is watching.
yes theres a camera in it, yes the console can go online.

But all the stuff i mentioned has a camera and go online.
Heck even tv's are build with camera's for skype calls.
People who cant handle the combination of internet and a camera, should avoid internet alltogether.

I dont mind however, so il be enjoying my X1 games this year.

jmc88884701d ago

No Foxgod, there's your perception of the world, then there is the reality of our world.

If you spent five minutes, or hopefully a whole lot more paying attention to what is happening on this blue dot in the milky way, you'd understand your position is extremely ignorant, and completely false.

You lie to yourself with asinine sophistry, and think, incorrectly I might add, that you actually came up with a valid point. You didn't.

First off Microsoft already admitted they were going to use the data to advertise to you and all sorts of creepy stuff. Imagine you and your boyfriend/husband having a minor little argument, and within some short time period you get a phone call, and all sorts of other ads about couples counseling. You want to know WHERE I got that 'over the top' example? From the PATENT of a Smart TV. That's right. Basically Microsoft has said Kinect will do the same, but with a whole lot more information and far more creepy ways to advertise to you.

You also assume that everybody with access to such data is on the up and up.

Too bad, because that isn't the case.

This information will then be sold to thousands of corporations. So they'll make money off how big you are, whether you need glasses, if you smoke, what food or beverages you consume, alcoholic or not, and so much more.

Since you're now aware that thousands of companies ARE CURRENTLY BUYING SIMILAR DATA, why wouldn't they want what Kinect gives them? After all, if they can make more money doing it...it's only business.

So why would insurance companies want a record of your physical size? Simple....money. To see if you are the same size as when you took out your life insurance policy, or to see if you should be on another health insurance plan. After all, if you're fat (and I'm not saying you are) then if they aren't 'charging' you like you are, then they are losing money. Thus Kinect gives them the info to save money...by costing YOU MORE money. See how this works?

Now that you know what sort of motive, and what sort of data you give them, I bet if you really tried you could sit there and think of many ways you can be exploited. Because anyone with a Kinect2 will be massively exploited.

But it goes much further, because the NSA and many other institutions, and corporations, and other gov'ts are listening in on you.

I guarantee you your life is currently crappier than it could be, simply because such operations exist. Simply because besides Kinect you are right, we are being illegally spied upon. Because the data they get has been used to collude. It's like a shadow information market, and those that pay for it, get an advantage. Do you realize how much that can impact stock markets, mergers, and all sorts of business dealings? Well it does and it is.

Right now the NSA doesn't even own it's computers...so those who are watching us, have a corporation watching THEM. Amazing.

jmc88884701d ago

It's called fascism, it's what this country now is. People shouldn't think its harmless because fascism caused hundreds of millions of deaths last century...and at THAT time, people with a very similar 'it doesn't matter' attitude allowed it to occur. Just so you know where YOU stand.

Also you act as if all these other things are happening, so why does it matter? That it's tacitly ok. Plus you assume that you can't do these things without allowing the spying.

How would you like to have your Kinect beaming naked pictures of say a future child? I mean, maybe you'll have one in the next 7 or so years Kinect2 will be in your life. Would you like that? No, of course not. But its very possible it will happen to someone.

After all, similar things have already occurred with laptops.

You really need to wake up before you wake up and there are metaphoric walls all around you.

Because everything that I've told you, is true. EVERY BIT OF IT.

Before denying people's facts, you might want to look around first...because whether you like it or not, I'm not just acting out to save my own butt, but mostly to save the butts of the ignorant, who because they are ignorant, will be the ones that suffer the most.

You don't live in candy land, you live in fascist land, and you are just a consumer to them, that is, until things have broken down far enough that you don't have any money, and then...to them...you're nothing.

Can't handle the combination doesn't have anything to do with it. It's what the people have the ability and fake authority to do with that combination, which is in fact really happening that is concerning.

Just because you put your head in the sand, doesn't change the FACT that it is happening.

I feel so sad for you, oblivious to reality, and open for complete exploitation.

I hope it doesn't happen, but it'll only not happen if people like me and a few million others continue our fight.

Otherwise, you will be exploited, and it will impact your life.

A smoker may enjoy smoking, but rest assured, a good number of them will get cancer.

I think that analogy is appropriate, except EVERY kinect2 user WILL BE EXPLOITED, the only question is.... how often and to what degree.

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MasterCornholio4701d ago

In my opinion they still need to lower the price by any means necessary. Like getting rid of Kinect and making it optional for example.

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TemplarDante4701d ago

I dont trust the bastards, Yes, thats what I call people that want to steal my consumer rights.
YES.. they reversed their policy.
But that was because Sony forced their hand. I still dont trust them.
If you do, you are both foolish and naive.

Jdoki4701d ago

First off, I am buying a PS4, and am not (yet) planning to buy an XBOne.

But let's be clear here. No large company can be trusted. Have people already forgotten about the CD rootkit craziness that Sony instigated.

Software_Lover4701d ago (Edited 4701d ago )

Yes they have. Sony can do no wrong, and when they do, it was for us because they love us.

EA was wrong (Sim City DRM, online passes)but they can implement changes (got rid of online passes, showed a great looking Battlefield 4) and all is well.

Ubisoft was wrong (Splinter Cell and Assassins creed DRM) but they can implement changes and show great games (Watch dogs, the division and the crew which are online only by the way) and all is forgiven.

Microsoft was wrong (wanted to implement a DRM console) but they implement changes (got rid of the DRM 5 months before the console even released) and people hate them forever, its not good enough.

I give Sony the nod for dropping online passes with the ps4, but they had to because they are now charging for online. It's a win/lose situation for many people. But many of us were paying for PS+ anyway.

It's just the way the world works. I bubbled you up though.

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Final Fantasy X 25th Anniversary Website Launches With New Nomura Artwork and Merchandise

Square Enix launches Final Fantasy X 25th anniversary site, revealing new Nomura art, books, music releases, and merchandise.

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-Foxtrot19d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle18d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7718d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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Relientk7723d ago

I remember playing this back in the day on PS2. What a sick game!

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We started with a simple idea. Games should bring people together through shared experiences. That led to the first Xbox in 2001, Xbox Live in 2002, and new ways to connect, from friends lists and achievements to parties and play across devices. Today, Xbox reaches over 500 million players around the world, with some of the most important franchises in entertainment.

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Outside_ofthe_Box24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster300024d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv7223d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit23d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania24d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit23d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot0723d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr24d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box24d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr23d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire9524d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv7223d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

--Onilink--23d ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv7223d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket23d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm23d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde23d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster9223d ago (Edited 23d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_24d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted24d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit23d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster9223d ago (Edited 23d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT24d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers24d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz14923d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot0723d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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