"now onto the next."

You're right.

1. Remove mandatory Kinect
2. Lower price
3. Have better and more exclusives
4. Add a touchpad to the controller
5. Change RAM to match the PS4
6. Fix controller to match dualshock 4
7. Removes Microsoft's involvement totally from the Xbox One and get another company behind it.

Then maybe just maybe we may start actually liking the system.

@Mikemyers

So basically you just want it to be a PS4?? That doesn't make sense. If you want a PS4 just buy a Ps4 i don't want two systems that area exactly the same and the controller is all preference as i don't like the sony controllers. i also DO NOT want a touchpad on my controller I happen to think that is one of the dumb ideas that has come up with next gen systems. The price i can agree with and the mandatory kinect i can agree with that too and hell the RAM as well but everything else no just no.

Keep in mind that i will eventually get a PS4 regardless of the fact that i don't like some of the things they've done but Sony makes good games so i won't deny myself the ability to play good games.

They already allowed one free patch , if your game needs more than one patch after that , says something about their development process IMO

@ Cmk0121, That's not really a fair assessment. There's always a chance of some issues with a patch, especially if the 1st patch isn't mainly to fix issues, but to add more features and content. Devs shouldn't have that pressure over their heads that if they miss one thing, that they will be doomed. I remember Dungeon Defenders having issues, and they took forever to fix them, because they wanted to add everything into one patch, so they wouldn't have to pay some insane amount of $$$.

personally 2 me some devs do seem lik they're more worried about getting there game out quickly & letting the players test them lik a beta while they work on dlc but also its not lik its the ole skool nes days where if a game was really messed up u had 2 send it in 2 get a working copy so its just a hange in time u can look at it both ways

Glass half empty is how he views the world, hence all his comments usually gearing toward the negative.

"Glass half empty is how he views the world, hence all his comments usually gearing toward the negative. "

you ain't lying there. He must not have. He purposely tries to be a contrarian.

True. We shouldn't moan about the things they do wrong yet complain when they right them. We cant have it both ways.

Its amusing to watch, don't get me wrong but what's more amusing is those fans defending ms's policies so staunchly only for ms to make a few u turns/changes, leaving the defenders looking like muppets.

That much is true. However, MS is turning the X1 into an exact PS4 replica. There are hardly any differences left except that MS does not allow self publishing and X1 comes with an obligatory expensive camera.

Sony already has a massive lead due to E3. If MS comes up with a product that is exactly the same as their competitors but with a few downsides, coupled with the fact that people are still left with a bad impression from E3, their chances of coming out on top are slim

at the disagrees above, tell me how it won't be a better product lol

I'd like to see your sources for the removal of the camera.

He will have no source other than conjecture. Of course a camera included version would be considered by those at the helm. Judging by the packaging that we've all seen, it seems sony always had a camera-less ps4 in mind. They've also seemed to have made bundles with the camera, giving customers a choice.

Also like to see your sources about the last minute ram upgrade.

You like a company that only care about your money, sir.

Tomato

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".