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Microsoft Discusses the Xbox One and Cloud Computing's Infinite Potential

SegmentNext - "Microsoft discusses the Xbox One behind closed doors at E3. I talk to a few developers about Microsoft's cloud computing claim".

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Tctczach4722d ago

Here we go with the cloud is absolute rubbish blah blah blah.... Can't we just wait and see instead of having people put down something before they have even used it? Answer is most likely no...

Hufandpuf4722d ago

you're not familliar with how marketing buisnesses run, are you?

xHeavYx4722d ago (Edited 4722d ago )

Love this song by Guns N Roses called Estranged.

"An now that you've been broken down
Got your head out of the CLOUDS
You're back down on the ground

And you don't talk so loud
An you don't walk so proud
Any more, and what for"

tuglu_pati4722d ago (Edited 4722d ago )

The cloud is real and can be used to improve games visuals, ai , etc... The question is will developers spend more resources on this? I see first party games taking advantage of it but not multiplatforms.

here is video which explains how games can benefits, pros and cons of using the cloud, for those of you who would like to learn a bit.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

darthv724722d ago

but still relevant to the subject of cloud assisted gaming.

http://www.anandtech.com/sh...

NewMonday4722d ago

the more Microsoft keep talking about the "Infinite cloud" the less serious people will take them.

Angeljuice4722d ago

But when asked about what it is currently being used with, the Microsoft guy says NPC AI and drivatar. Hardly groundbreaking and nothing like their PR machine would have you believe..

SniperControl4722d ago

@tuglu_pati

Err no, graphical power is not increased by using the "The Cloud". X1 uses cloud to run CPU intensive calculations. eg AI and weather.

There is way to much latency and bandwidth issues to run GPU calculations server-side.

Jesus, why don't you people understand this, this is the real world, current technology is limited. do not listen to MS PR bullcrap.

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psyxon4722d ago

there's nothing to "wait and see" to be completely honest. it's pretty simple. cloud computing is real, yes it can improve games. the catch? it's not going to be a vast improvement that's so noticeable it pulls tons of investors or consumers over to it. yes, they can use the cloud (as can sony) to achieve minor optimization, which is a good thing, but what microsoft claims "the power of the cloud" is capable of is just fantasy.

CRAIG6674722d ago

why is it fantasy if PS4 can stream a FULL game through GAIKAI which would presumably be more difficult as ALL the processing has to be done in the cloud...

Anyone?

rdgneoz34722d ago

Yah, it can help with a few things, but the claims people are making are blown way out of proportion.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

karl4722d ago

Maybe i got it wrong but isnt gaikai used to stream games from the ps4 to the vita?. And so the game is run on ps4 hqrdware right in your living room.

Think that makes it much more believeable

And we have seen it working.. has anyone seen the power of the cloud in action?

psyxon4722d ago (Edited 4722d ago )

@craig667 you're comparing two entirely different things. face, meet palm.

@craig667 so cloud computing == streaming (video)? lol. dude, do you even understand how streaming works from a tech point? do you understand compression at all?

CRAIG6674722d ago

@psyxon YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT MATE.

psyxon4722d ago

@karl no, because lan speed is drastically faster than wan speed.

ShwankyShpanky4722d ago

@craig: It's not a question of where the processing is done, it's a question of the data that needs to be transferred. Game streaming is basically YouTube with a controller feed going back to the servers. It's a highly compressed video stream, little more. Using "the cloud" (formerly known as "off-site servers") to process actual game data is entirely different.

testerg354722d ago

Shwanky, and you would need quick response from controller to host with hardly any lag.

With Cloud computing, the could servers doesn't have to handle the primary AI, but could handle backround AI of say an open world game. Characters not seen on the screen yet.

dumahim4722d ago

@CRAIG667

Gaikai does all the processing on the server so all it sends to the console is a video stream. There will be a slight lag for inputs, but all the power of the server can be used to run a game at any level of graphics.

Xbox One games are still being run locally and would offload some calculations to the cloud. This does not work for certain things like collisions and other things that need to be done very quickly.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

"To put this in perspective, when the logic circuits of a CPU want some data, they have to wait a few nanoseconds (billionths of a second) to retrieve it from its cache. If not in cache, the CPU has to wait as much as a few hundred nanoseconds to fetch the data from main RAM - and this is considered bad news for processor efficiency. If the CPU were to ask the cloud to calculate something, the answer won't be available for potentially 100ms or more, depending on internet latency - some 100,000 nanoseconds!

As a game has only 33 milliseconds to render a frame at 30FPS, such long delays mean the cloud cannot be relied upon for real-time, immediate results per frame."

SniperControl4722d ago

@dumahim
Took the words right out of my mouth, i have been trying to explain this to "da cloud" fanboys since it was announced. but alas, all it does is fall on deaf ears.

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zeal0us4722d ago

Cloud computing talk is getting rather dull. Xbox One has more features that could be discuss but it seems MS want to ride this cloud train to death.

CRAIG6674722d ago

Why you here then? you got mouse finger tourettes or something?

Pisque4722d ago

A company wouldn't invest $700 millions for something useless.

psyxon4722d ago

nobody's saying it's useless. what they're saying is microsoft's claims are bogus.

cee7734722d ago

Actually that 700 million is for live and other online services not just the cloud lmao it really boggles my mind how much of A sheep you guys are Microsoft are literally selling you dreams lmao and you just eat em up like A fat kid in A all you can eat buffet.

ShwankyShpanky4722d ago

They're not investing that $700mil just for the Xbone either. It's for an entire data center.

asmith23064722d ago

All comes down to the speed at which data can be transferred from the server vs the speed at which it can be transported from your local RAM. Which is to say, the local RAM slaughters it. Cloud computing is already everywhere believe it or not. It is a marketing buzz word for distributed computing using remote servers. Anything Microsoft can do with the "cloud" is the same as any other company. Hell, no disrespect intended but even Nintendo could use the "cloud" for the WiiU!

testerg354722d ago

Yes, anyone can say they can use the cloud, but do they have the hardware and infrastructure to back it up.

TheHybrid4722d ago

I love how 17 ppl diasagreed that we should see things before we judge them. That's even worse than judging a book by its cover. They haven't even seen the cover and already they are using prejudice.

JeffGUNZ4722d ago

The fact you have only three bubbles shows how much of a joke this site is. Common sense and reasoning are not allowed. Bubbles up brother!

Hicken4722d ago

In this case, you'd be talking about the cover of a book on, say, the Mississippi River. The author, while he promotes his book, is making claims about the river that many know to be false, because they live or work near the river, or have other experience with it that contradicts the author's claims.

Hell, you don't even need to be well-learned on the Mississippi; some of the claims just go against the nature of a river, period, so that even someone with average knowledge of rivers or the Mississippi can tell something's wrong.

In that respect, we don't have to "wait and see"- a phrase used far too often in reference to Microsoft, these days- before we're about to tell that what's being said is BS.

The simple truth?

Too much latency. It would take far too much time to be practical, if any major computations had to done in the cloud.

XBOne sends request for computations(pretty much by running whatever processes it needs to do normally, which would prompt a request automatically for further calculations by the cloud server).

Cloud server receives request and complies(which could take who knows how long, altogether, as internet speed would be one of many factors, including high traffic and workload, and the complexity of the process requested).

Cloud server sends completed processes to XBOne(which will, again, rely on internet speeds and such).

XBone integrates the processes with locally-calculated processes(meaning that it would have to wait for the cloud-done info to reach it, or display that moment with said data missing; in order for there to be no wait, the XBOne would have to send the request BEFORE it was needed, making the damn thing a psychic, because it'd also have to know EXACTLY what it would need before it needed it).

Computers are fast, but all that takes more time than is acceptable for a seamless gaming experience, even when everything goes right.

Finally, him having three bubbles probably has more to do with when he joined: seven days ago. If you check his comment history, he hasn't been hit with trolling or any other such down-bubbles. Rather than assuming he got bubbled down for some reason, a little research would have saved you from making a silly comment.

JsonHenry4722d ago

Distributed computing (cloud computing as it is being called now days) is actually pretty awesome. But you will pardon me if I don't believe that even a fraction of what could be done with it is ever going to see the light of day any time soon.

Props to any company that comes through with it though. I won't complain about it.

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Vip3r4722d ago

Yet none of it will be of any use for those in far off regions of the world, or have a slow or bandwidth tight internet connection.

Mystogan4722d ago

They won't be playing online anyways.

rdgneoz34722d ago

You can still play online with a slow connection, and even with a high connection the cloud won't be doing a ton of work.

" Average broadband speeds in the developed world struggle to reach over 8mbps as of Q3 last year - that's only one megabyte per second. This means that whatever cloud computing power is available, consoles will have available to them an average of 1MB/s a second of processed data. If we compare that to the sort of bandwidth consoles are used to, the DDR3 of Xbox One is rated at around 68,000MB/s, and even that wasn't enough for the console and had to be augmented with the ESRAM."

"You may have an internet connection that's much better than 8mbps of course, but even superfast fibre-optic broadband at 50mbps equates to an anaemic 6MB/s."

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

THamm4722d ago (Edited 4722d ago )

They need to quit blaming gamers and saying "see what you missed out on" or "this is future but we can't show" and start showing the goods because November isn't too far off and Sony is winning by a landslide

KaMaHKaZiE4722d ago

@THamm

Sony is winning by a landslide huh? I would love to know where you get your information. Please post a link to support your claim. Although I doubt you will seeing you more than likely pulled that out of your acne fill butt.

Roper3164722d ago

while I have no idea who is winning nor do I really care but why is the XB1 day one edition still available for preorder on Amazon? PS4 launch edition sold out in about a day and there was more units available for preorder.

So could you please explain to me why someone wouldn't think the PS4 is in the lead when more available consoles are sold out and the fewer available consoles are still able to be ordered?

KaMaHKaZiE4722d ago

@Roper316

Why is it that you only include Amazon? Are they the only placing selling consoles?

THamm4722d ago (Edited 4722d ago )

General consensus, and it's ok, no need to pre order X1, My would have been pre order will be left for someone else as I'm sure with other XBOX Live 10+ year loyalists. All the PR that I've seen suddenly try to sway people into believing that there is an actual neck race is a joke. I wouldn't be surprised if MS tries to come out next month just to con you, don't get upset because all your friends are buying a PS4

Roper3164722d ago

that was just one example and since they are the largest online retailer in the world I figured it was a good example and for amazon.us to still have the XB1 with fewer available consoles which is also in MS's back yard that is pretty telling to me since the PS4 was able to sell out.

greenlantern28144721d ago

Look at pre order numbers anywhere you want. Amazon, best buy, game stop. Future shop, game, all have ps4 ahead by a lot.

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NihonjinChick4722d ago

When will they give us a complete list of the strengths AND the limitations of the cloud?

gazgriff2k124722d ago

So thats what all the chemtrails are i can smell the xbox cloud from my house

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio30d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing30d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9230d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit30d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing30d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9230d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay32d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn233d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn232d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown32d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay32d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay32d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac32d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger33d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300032d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde32d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood32d ago (Edited 32d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde32d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7534d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_31d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.