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Microsoft’s Xbox One Eighty – a big win for consumers? Not so fast

EDGE: "Humans are amazing optimizers. There is a game shop here in Warsaw, where all you have to do is to buy one game, and then from now on for about fifteen dollars you can exchange it for any other new game. In other words, after the initial purchase any new console title costs you fifteen bucks. Is it right? Is it wrong? It doesn’t matter. What matters is that many people are playing off one box of a game, and while this makes the consumers and the shop happy, it’s not making the developers and publishers happy."

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dedicatedtogamers4766d ago (Edited 4766d ago )

I think this article is completely backwards. You know who has the least problem dealing with used games? You know whose games rarely get sold back and when they do, they still command a $30-45? You know whose games sell in the tens of millions, yet they have no online fee and no used-game fee and practically no DLC?

I'll give you a hint: they don't use online passes.

Nintendo!

Nintendo said long ago "the way we will combat used games is by making games so good that no one wants to sell them back. And you know what? IT WORKED.

Used games aren't the problem. Bloated budgets are the problem. Lack of talent is the problem. It's easy to throw money at cutscenes, CGI, Hollywood voice acting, and better particle effects. It's difficult to make a game with dynamic gameplay and lots of replayability. Ironically, it's also a lot cheaper to focus on mechanics and controls, but it takes a lot more talent. Games like Demon's/Dark Souls didn't become popular because of the cutscenes, and I guarantee you that game didn't cost very much money to make (compared to a game like Tomb Raider).

"The current ecosystem is rotten to the core, and unsustainable in the long term. DLC, microtransactions and artificial length extenders will not work forever."

Yes, the current ecosystem is rotten to the core, but killing retail isn't going to heal it. It will simply put more power and more influence into the hands of that "rotten core". What needs to happen is more publishers/developers need to die off the vine until the rest of them get a clue and start managing their teams (and their money) better.

Why o why4766d ago (Edited 4766d ago )

Yep. I'm not sure why people fear so much for game devs over any other manufacturer or service giver to the point you'd give up your rights to save them. You have to manage yourself well or fall off. Its sad to see devs go down but there are more devs who stay alive, some with a lucky break but most of them with better output mixed with better management. The majority are getting it right. When this isn't the case then maybe something should be addressed.

dedicatedtogamers4766d ago

Exactly!

Anyone here on N4G grow up during the NES era? Anyone remember companies like LJN and Jaleco and Data East and Tradewest and Acclaim and Imagesoft? All of these companies either died or got absorbed.

When a company can't compete, they either adjust or they die.

Cuzzo634765d ago

Yet I see tons of nintendo games at game stop

JokesOnYou4765d ago (Edited 4765d ago )

Holy crap great read this guy absolutely nailed it!

"The often repeated 'just make better games' is a myth, unless you truly believe that the best sellers in 2010-2013 were also the best games out of all released in that period."

-Yeah making a great game if anything produces high sales up front but it also makes their trade value better in the longterm so they too will be impacted by used games....I will say though who cares because the devs at that point have already made a healthy profit.

"Everyone is to blame. Microsoft and its messaging (and, honestly, a couple of indefensible, puzzling Xbox One features). Gamers and their resistance to change the status quo (unable to admit that the box is doomed anyway). Journalists and their inability to stand against the masses (there were lots of click baits and fan service, and not a lot of looking forward and analysis). Developers and their silence (the exceptions were all too rare)."

-Yeah I totally agree we all lost when micro reversed course, hopefully we at least get something by going DD.

YNWA964765d ago

Nintendo releases how many games a year??

Software_Lover4766d ago

Another one, lol. Any side bets?

1st year after the XBone is released or 2 years? When will we stop seeing these same articles/blogs? I wager any game on release day for any console!

Im guessing going into the 2nd year.

dcbronco4766d ago

We a see a thousand copy cat articles on every subject. So many have had so little to say and nothing new to say. So much so that when I see some site names or one I don't recognize, I don't even bother hitting the link. The what "me too" societies do.

Enemy4766d ago (Edited 4766d ago )

$500 for half of PS4's specs.

hellvaguy4766d ago (Edited 4766d ago )

I say the same thing coming from my gaming pc. But they all are fun.

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dcbronco4766d ago

I'm all for the move to digital. I was this generation. I do think MS went about it the wrong way. If they had eliminated the 24hr check-in for those not wanting the added features they would have done a lot better. I want the family share plan and the ability to take my collection with me everywhere I go. I house sit for family almost two months out of the year so it would be great not to have to pack gaming things.They could sign a deal with Gamefly for easy rentals, everything in the cloud, hotels could have rental One consoles in rooms and you could just sign in to have all of your games anywhere in the world.

Everything would be solved if they just made it op in.

And if they really want to eliminate used games, make digital games cheaper. They wouldn't lose money. They are cheaper. Or get into the digital copy trade-in business. Sell to someone online and get credit towards a new game. They could have and still can work this out easily.

Igniter4766d ago

I hope they do lower the price for digital games because that's how I'll be buying most if not all my games next gen. If they don't i will still be saving money on gas not having to run to a store.

What's going to be interesting to see is how publishers mess with Gamestop this coming gen. Publishers have the right to offer pre-order bonuses and extra content in what ever manner they want. We may see this content only available to downloaders! Eliminate used games by making digital a better deal than the disc!

dcbronco4765d ago (Edited 4765d ago )

That's the method I think they should use. Don't give GS any sales. Or fewer sales. I think not allowing sales for one and not others is illegal. But offering a better deal online because it cost them less is not. Steam does so many sales because the numbers are smaller but also because they are all digital. I think most gamers have no idea how much cheaper digital is. It's got to be at least twenty percent cheaper. And the retail cut could go to covering the cost of download limits on the supply side. MS and Sony just pay the ISPs a annual fee to exclude their products. That will eventually hit anyway.

iceman064765d ago

I would agree. Only, MS, Sony, and Nintendo all know that Gamestop is not the beasts that they are often painted to be. For all of the so called money that Gamestop "takes", no one talks about how much they actually bring in. It's the hidden dollars that are recycled back into the industry that these companies will miss IF Gamestop disappeared.
As for lowering digital, that WOULD bring more people to try it. But, it would be at an overall "loss". Why would a company cut into it's profit margin further by giving discounts. Believe me when I say that DD would NOT be enough. Unless...DD came with some sort of deals with publishers (like enforced DRM).
IMO, it was a package deal. Now that the package is broken up, MS can't (read WON'T) provide those features unless they fall behind in install base and use this as a tool. Even then, don't expect it to last.

GeisT4766d ago

For some reason Playstation fanboys think everything Microsoft does is wrong. Imagine that.

YNWA964765d ago

I got to admit, the Edge has always been brutally honest...

InSpectre4765d ago

For some reason Xbox fanboys think everything PlayStation does is wrong. Imagine that.

(Sorry I'm in a cheeky mood.) :P

YNWA964765d ago

I think both are great, both will have games you want to play and see no reason why people come out with ridiculous analysis of terraflop this, gddr5 this, esram that, jesus.... if you claim to be a fan of video games, wtf is your problem??? I always had Playstations, was glad when Xbox came out, advanced online play as we know it, pushed HD, along with PS3, and now the next gen awaits, both with great features, and all we get is this stupid my mom better than your mom bullshit.... I will also own both next gen, and will enjoy what both have to offer.... but thats not enough, I must be a sad little prik....

iceman064765d ago

You ARE aware that there were just as many Xbots in an uproar as Sony fanboys right? Don't use what you see here as a fact. Other forums were FULL of Xbox fans that were pissed over this. Everything that MS wanted to do wasn't wrong. However, most would argue that the means with which they were going about it was. Anytime a company asks consumers to sacrifice it is going to have issues. MS was asking for a sacrifice and wasn't able to articulate the benefits to gamers of that sacrifice...AND they weren't sacrificing anything on their side.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai73d ago (Edited 73d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio73d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing73d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9273d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit73d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing73d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9273d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay74d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn275d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers75d ago (Edited 75d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn274d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown75d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos75d ago (Edited 75d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay74d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay74d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac74d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger75d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300075d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde75d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood75d ago (Edited 75d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde74d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7576d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_74d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.