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Microsoft and Xbox One face fundamental problems, with or without DRM

It is and always was about trust. Microsoft and its supporters scrambled to say what Xbox One could and perhaps should be doing for a sustainable digital future, but to no avail. Sharing restrictions and online check-ins might yet be part of that landscape, but the verdict from game players is clear: they don’t want to go there via Redmond.

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allformats4708d ago (Edited 4708d ago )

Yes, firstly the Xbox One DRM damage is already done. Secondly people won't and should not forget that Microsoft attempted to block them from doing whatever they pleased with their games, forced them to play a console that couldn't work without internet access, and then told them if they can't find access, stick to Xbox 360.

Then Kinect is still mandatory, and Xbox One is still $100 more expensive than PS4.

Plus there are the ESRAM and Yield issues keeping the console back, and affording only limited stock at launch. That is why GameStop stopped taking preorders.

http://bit.ly/17qxqhJ

Microsoft has a lot of work to do, and I suspect even then, Xbox One has already lost the upcoming generation.

Convas4708d ago (Edited 4708d ago )

MS wasn't forcing anyone to play their console, you don't have to buy one if you don't want to. Hence the reason why the PS4 pre-orders started to rocket.

They gave you a choice, a restricted console or a PS4. People chose the PS4. Then the media, then Jimmy Fallon, then the Navy, and it just kept piling on.

Fact of the matter is, MS backpedaled because the bottomline would've taken a hit. Now they'll see success, but they'll never be rid of this issue's sting, they'll be haunted by it for the rest of their console making days.

Have they lost the generation? No. Are they behind in terms of public goodwill? Judging by this site's response, almost irreparably so.

@Below: "but generations are lost and won at the beginning"

If that were the case, Sony would've lost this generation. Compare the Sony of 2006 to the Sony of 2013. Complete turnaround.

I can't agree with that statement mate.

allformats4708d ago (Edited 4708d ago )

There's always work to be done throughout a console's lifespan, but generations are lost and won at the beginning. Momentum is key, mark my words.

Gazondaily4708d ago (Edited 4708d ago )

Edge are absolutely spot on here. Microsoft have compromised their so-called vision as a result of their u-turn.

They have a higher price point, with an inferior piece of tech and a perceived loss of faith on the part of indie developers. Contrast this to Sony who have:

* A significantly cheaper console
* A more powerful console
* Developer friendly WITH lots of indie developer confidence
* And very imporantly; no compromises on what they have stated. They have remained steadfast from the very beginning and have not been derailed at all.

Edge aren't exaggerating here at all; the Xbox One is in big trouble and I suspect that there is a lot of confusion and running around in the background.

JokesOnYou4708d ago (Edited 4708d ago )

allformats, actually alot of people really liked what micro was doing once they started giving cocessions/outlining the benefits/conveniences that the drm allowed. The true failure of micro was the poorly planned reveal of their used game policy....all they had to do is just say right up front heres the drm restrictions, but heres what you get in return, instead they initially just tried to implement drm with no mention of whats in it for us.
Also its been #1 on Amazon before all this mess and its currently still #1 http://www.amazon.com/best-... So obviously nothings been so bad this early that alot of gamers weren't going to buy it. Ask yourself why the game sites and Amazon polls heavily favored ps4 but game stores and Amazon all have talked about how strong X1 preorders are?.... well because the minority will vote in polls the millions more people never stop to say they like a product when they like it they will just vote with their wallets.

loulou4708d ago

septic, adding some bullet points doesn't make validate your post or beliefs.

so now because m$ have removed the drm, they have compromised themselves??

basically on n4g, they were damned if they did, and damned if they didn't.

thank f'ck n4g just represents a mere fraction of gamers as a whole

ChiaPet4708d ago

You're right.

But the reality is that the original plan for the Xbox One was to digitize content and the online requirement was a form of DRM to cope with that. The problem is that lots of people don't want that so they changed it.

I'm tired of people going on about how Microsoft is evil and trying to screw people over, they are a corporation like every other one: all they want is money. But in order to get it you have to appeal to the consumer which they haven't been very good at until recently IMO.

And about the eSram yield rumor it has been confirmed by Microsoft that it's not true.

https://twitter.com/majorne...

dcbronco4708d ago

Where did this conversation come from. It seems so out of place on this site.

MS will be fine this generation. I believe they will prosper. Gaming sites represent a small part of the people that buy consoles. MS started out bad with their PR, but they still have a chance to repair the damage done with the majority of the public. Having some of the nonsense spread like with Fallon's used games remark hurt, but that audience is fixable. The group that will persist with the hate were going to go with the PS4 anyway. I believe MS really has a chance to increase the number of users even beyond what Nintendo did with the Wii. And that is why they will win this generation.

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Belking4708d ago (Edited 4708d ago )

So does this mean that vita has already lost this gen too because of their issues?. Just wait don't you are qualified to predict the future bud...lol

iceman064708d ago

In all honesty, I don't even think that Sony believes that a portable can WIN a generation against Nintendo. What they DO believe is that there is a bunch of money to be had in that space and the more that they can take from Nintendo, the better. Gamers speak in terms of wins and losses. Businesses speak in terms of marketshare and revenue.

LightofDarkness4708d ago

Kinect being mandatory does make sense for the Xbox One, though. It's perhaps the most immediately recognizable advancement the console presents, and enforcing mandatory connection means developers can leverage Kinect 2's features in their software and not worry about splitting the user base in any way. They are ensuring that Kinect adoption is high and features are used in just about every Xbox One game, to varying degrees of triviality or importance.

Judging by the reveal, it is quite central to the console's operation, and disconnecting it would eliminate many of the benefits (or some of the point) of having an Xbox One, particularly with regards to user experience.

While Kinect may offer little to the gamer, it actually seems to have entranced a lot of the casuals.

I'm still not buying one for a while at least, before the DRM 180 I was never going to buy it. But I still don't trust them, and I will wait about 2 years to see if they flip flop on it.

malokevi4708d ago (Edited 4708d ago )

Kinect is one of those things that I think will come of age this generation, and I'm really excited to have it as part of my setup, in spite of the privacy concerns.

Voice commands, motion commands, game integration. That, and I don't need to invest in any more headsets. It will just make the whole experience that much more seamless.

PerryCaravello4708d ago

There was never any trust with microsoft. 33% failure rate on the original xbox360's

What trust... they don't care about the conusmer.

OldGirl4708d ago (Edited 4708d ago )

I do not know about you but for a good two years with the 1st gen Xbox 360's I had %100 failure rate with several.

After about my 5th they finally changed models and added a better heatsink.. Hmm I wonder why.

The Meerkat4708d ago

5? I'm on my 7th. (all under warranty)
MS customer services were great and did give me some freebies for my troubles. I got Halo 3, Viva Piniata, an extra controller and even an entire free 360. So I can't really complain.

Now the DRM has gone I will buy an X1 just not at launch.

Polysix4708d ago

my one and only 360 died (before ms were fixing them) went in the trash where it belonged. Will never forgive them for that waste of £400. THANKFULLY i was ABLE to sell the tens of games i'd bought for it on ebay/amazon and make some good money back - bought a PS3 with it (now got 2 ps3s rock solid slim and fatty)

#GOPS4

Tyre4708d ago (Edited 4708d ago )

@Old girl Yeah me too. I have the 360 since launch had to replace 5 consoles till the Elite version came out. They had a 100% failure rate.

TheGrimReaper00114708d ago

teh fuck? 5th already?
Im still using my first fat ps3 and it works just fine
Did need to replace my fan
I just couldnt hold hours upon hours of gaming -_-

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GameCents4708d ago

Getting tired now. I just wanna talk about games. Can I just haz gamez please?

Convas4708d ago

The horse is just mush now. Folk are beating on the skeleton now and soon enough, that will be dust too. LOL

Mkai284708d ago

Too much negatives on talking about Microsoft this, indie games that. Kinect this, xbox 180 that. Time for better gaming sites..

Drekken4708d ago

I can and won't every trust MS:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/t...

Skype is a spy tool and MS just lets them have our information. With Skype and Kinect the Xbox One is NSA's wet dream. I refuse to let one into my house.

ChiaPet4708d ago

Friggin idiots..

Why in the world would they watch you when they can just hack your browsing history and develope a personality profile based on the sites you visit?

And if Skype is used to spy then don't do it...

Tyre4708d ago (Edited 4708d ago )

Well Said Hell yes, people that are getting tired of hearing this just have a saturated brain filled with mundane fairytales coming from the media or a low attention span...this shit is ridiculous and nobody should accept this in exchange for their love of games & freedoms. This shit shouldn't be mixed with games at all. We didn't ask for this. It is real and shameful enough to be confronted with these facts that D'heads behind the scenes are acting like peeping tom. We must realise that they are ACTUALLY watching...this unacceptable to have in the living room. People that still feel that this is just BS need to READ more...it has never been more real. I hope they will pass a law that forbids companies from selling surveillance technology cloaked as an entertainment device. Shame on people accepting this.

Drekken4708d ago

Look at my disagrees. I am kind of shocked. I would think more people would not want this kind of behavior. Everything that has been coming out about all of the scandals really scares me. People need to wake up and pay attention this is NOT a joke.

GABRIEL10304708d ago

Microsoft lost all the credibility, first with core customers ( console for TV and Kinect) and later with publishers( the company failed at its compromisses with big indutries like EA), only the most radicals fanboys will buy this stuff. The machine is expensive, uses older technology, is designed for watch tv and the kinect is mandatory. A lot of nasty surprises could come in the future from a company filled of doubts.

Microsoft lacks of integrity and doesn't respect anybody neither consumers or publishers :(

Foxgod4708d ago (Edited 4708d ago )

The technology in the Ps4 and XB1 are of the same age. DDr 3 is not older then Gddr5, in fact, Gddr5 is based on DDr3.
And its not designed for TV, its designed to do multiple things, uncluding gaming and tv

Why do people always make so much assumptions.

Besides, even if it where older, that doesnt mean a thing, my I7 is older then the Xb1 and Ps4, and it destroys both in power.

iceman064708d ago

Fox...The assumptions are made based on the reveal, which was focused more on the TV functions. Then, add in the media which also seemed disappointed by the focus on TV. Both consoles are designed to do multiple things. The problem for MS is how to get that message out WITHOUT seeming to abandon it's core gamers. Right now, they don't seem to know HOW to market and what message they really want to portray.

ShowGun9014708d ago (Edited 4708d ago )

@ foxgod

yes your I7 is older, but the gaming rig you got didn't cost $399 to build i believe... if, for example your rig cost $1000 to build, (not unreasonable for a gaming pc, prob low end), thats like saying my $60,000 dollar 3yr old corvette beat your $27,000 cobalt...

you cant just measure speed without cost.

ChiaPet4708d ago

GDDR5 will run much hotter.... just saying.

There's a reason why most PC's run on DDR3

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio12d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing12d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9212d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit12d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing12d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9212d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay14d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn215d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn214d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown14d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay14d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay14d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac14d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger15d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300015d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde14d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde14d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7516d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_13d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.