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Apparently Microsoft can't win, despite changing their DRM rules

GameZone writes, "Today, for most gamers, felt like a win. It felt like finally, we were able to stick it to The Man. We actually MADE A DIFFERENCE! Microsoft, after many days of constant berating and disapproval of their new DRM structured Xbox One, has decided to listen to feedback, and completely get rid of DRM, allowing the Xbox One to function exactly like an Xbox 360."

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BadboyCivic4708d ago (Edited 4708d ago )

I think the share plan would have been great. DRM had to go though

Can't please everyone I guess.

HammadTheBeast4708d ago (Edited 4708d ago )

Gamers didn't do much. Microsoft didn't do this for the "fans".

Plummeting pre-orders and a few jobs on the line made this happen, contrary to popular belief.

http://i.imgur.com/SsoTIE6....

NewMonday4708d ago

"Apparently Microsoft can't win, despite changing their DRM rules"

you will see the sales explode starting from today.

a large number of fans will be satisfied with this.

for others their is still the problem of mandatory Kinect that collects personal data and the extra $100, so a percentage of gamers still have a rightful grievance.

MS can remove Kinect then they can ease the spying worry and cut $100.

tuglu_pati4708d ago (Edited 4708d ago )

@HammadTheBeast

And you know this because...?

nosferatuzodd4708d ago

Hammand is right if they were successful you really think Microsoft would care about a few ppl screaming Microsoft is a bunch of jackets walking around its like they're program to be dicks just look how they deal with problem the only thing on their mind is find ways to squeeze has much out of gamers has they can .

JokesOnYou4708d ago

It was already #1 on Amazon before this news, Game, Bestbuy etc had reports of strong sales, this is clearly a case of micro overeacting too quickly to bad press and negativity. ....negativity due to lack of a clear message and not knowing about game sharing.

MariaHelFutura4708d ago

Fact: The Amazon poll (94.7%) gets taken down 2 weeks early and a few hours later the Xbox One magically jumped to #1 on Amazon.

Quite a coincidence.

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Army_of_Darkness4708d ago (Edited 4708d ago )

Ms don't care for the fan base since the launch of kinect. Xbone's reveal also proved that they still didn't give a shit...

Ms panic mode-" Bumba-clot! Game stop and amazon pre-orders dropping drastically?!?! Crap! We can't have that! We're gonna lose massive profits!!! Kill the DRM!! Change policies asap!!! But make sure the PR team makes it look as though we're listening to the fans for once;-)"

Sure xbone is now #1 spot on Amazon, but is it sold out like the launch ps4? Nope. Is it competing on its own against multiple ps4 bundle packs in the top 10. Yup.

JokesOnYou4708d ago

Call me crazy but Iam seriously thinking of starting a petition to opt in to the "game sharing plan". I mean obviously this is a software limiting thing not hardware so is it possible to accept drm restriction and lock your console ID/Gamertag/IP or whatever forever so you CAN have all the game sharing features enabled but that disc licence code becomes useless= cant ever sell it and your console wont work if you're offline more than 24hrs. I don't know if they can but I dont see why its not possible. Guess it wont hurt to ask.

MariaHelFutura4708d ago

If people think used games was so bad for the industry, how would sharing w/ 10 people online not be bad for the industry? Keep in mind Sony already did this w digital PSN titles w/ the PS3, allow you to share w/ 5 other PS3. But, they changed it to 2 because people were abusing the feature and selling access to the PSN account online.

NewMonday4708d ago

@RyuCloudStrife

"M$ did this to get your business, and a share of your personal private life with Kinect"

nobody does this for love or favor, not even Sony or Nintendo, this is business.

MS was presenting a bad deal for consumers, the deal is now re-presented after some changes but negotiations are still on-going as far as Kinect and price. hope we can stick together a bit more to push for another change.

JokesOnYou4708d ago (Edited 4708d ago )

Dont be surprised if they can offer both in theory all they have to do is let you "opt in" during the first sign in of your console.

Id gladly give up the ability to sell used games(I dont sell my games now) and take the mandatory 24hr check(I honestly cant remember the last time I didnt have internet or it was down for more than a few minutes) just so I can have access to my library anywhere, dont ever need disc again and most of all share with my nephews in Virginia. Hey micro is a two tier Terms of Service agreement possible???

I just posted this in a xbox forum, I encourage every xbox fan to ask this, get some feedback, its not too late.

Doctoglethorpe4708d ago

@newmonday

Yeah, thats the biggie for me, was never drm, its the $100 mandatory spycam. If they got rid of that and were able to shave off the price in the process, I'd get an X180 later down the line, after a ps4 still though. But Idc how cheap it gets as long as kinect is mandatory I won't buy it. And the truth is they won't make Kinect optional, that would be like if bluray had been optional on ps3, its just not gonna happen, and thus I will never get an x180. Whatever, Halo is probably the only game I'd play on it anyways since PS4 will be my multiplatform.. platform.

quenomamen4708d ago

There you with the TRUTH, MS dont give a flying F__K about the gamers who are the ones who built the X BOX brand from day one. They have people who's only job is to maximize the potential of their products, like a drug dealer trying getting the most out of a bag of pure coke.

So what happened ? They saw the numbers going against their favor from the day the X1 was announced, So they said Ok after E3 we will see the tide turn in our favor. Unfortunately it only started to get worse, and after the latest round of X1 sale predictions came in below a certain threshold they went to plan B which I have no doubt was on the back burner from the get go.

oof464708d ago

I'm pretty sure the gross difference in pre-order numbers sealed the deal for the about face.

nveenio4708d ago (Edited 4708d ago )

When a company is looking out for consumers, DRM is not even part of the debate, unless the question is, "How can we create DRM without hurting the consumer?"

Microsoft's quick reversal damages what little trust I had left in them. Now, I feel they can flip-flop whenever they want, and there's no guarantee they won't do it in the future...with the same box. Because we WILL connect to the internet sometimes. We WILL download firmware updates. We WILL be in position to be hammered by the iron fist of Microsoft.

I would have had more respect if they had stuck to their guns and put in the effort to make their vision work. Now, there's no vision. And where there's no vision, there's no direction. And where there's no direction, there's no clear profit forecast. Where there's no profit, there are no investors. No investors, change of direction. And that's how we get back to another One-Eighty.

This kind of capitalism and communism are kissing cousins. Period.

Panthers4708d ago

Gamers did do this though. Those plummeting preorders were part of us speaking up about the XB1 issues. You have to hit them where it hurts.

nveenio4708d ago

I actually had a friend tell me that they were going to buy an Xbox One until they saw all the news I was posting on Facebook about it. Then, he changed his mind, deciding to go with PS4. So speaking up certainly helps educate fellow gamers who aren't as "plugged in" to gamer news.

Now that the decision has been reversed, I'm not sure what he'll do, but at least he can be informed.

WildArmed4707d ago

I agree, people can get mad at each other how much they want.

MS saw that this was hurting their business and did it.

Just like how Sony saw that lack of DRM is suddenly a selling point (esp. after MS reveal). It was a business decision.

Now the question is: Do you forgive, or play cautious w/ MS?

You can't blame people for still being skeptical about MS... when they kinda tried to push DRM at full throttle not a week ago.

finbars754707d ago (Edited 4707d ago )

This is what I have been saying since the announcemnet yesterday.The preorders have been terrible,gamestop denied taking preorders from MS because of there used game policy.They only changed some of the policies to lure there fans they just shit on with this nonsense.Oh newmonday below sorry to break the news to you the preorders for the Xboxone havnt really moved up at all.If anything most gamers of all sorts made there mind up at E3 and after.Yesterdays announcement did nothing but show MS weakness,how greedy they are and how they cant be trusted.They will eventually will change back to there policies after the numbers look good for them you will see.I wouldnt be surprised to see all the fanboys defend MS now because there are like a herd of sheep who only follow one person in this case MS no matter what mistakes where made especially one that was going to ruin gaming for alot of people.They dont care about the damage that has been done because there eyes have been covered by some wall MS has built over the years.Only the real gamers can truely see what has been going on this whole time.

Anarki4707d ago

I think Microsoft have already proven they're in it for themselves. Sony have listened to their customers and the developers and made PS4 what it is now, which is great! That's what sets Sony apart from Microsoft, the ability to listen. Too little too late Microsoft...

General Shrooms4707d ago

I fail to see the distinction. Microsoft is a corporation, and the bottom line is money.

If Microsoft pleases the fans, they will get their money.

YNWA964707d ago

What do you people think Sony would do if they had no competition? They would corner you and screw you! Sure some of what MS were doing was not the best, but do not be stupid (too late) and think Sony are for the people. Sony seized the opportunity to jump all over MS when they announced details, just good public relations spin, thats all. They are money hungry corporation too.... Thats why they created BluRay, why they tried to mess you with UMD discs, mini discs, and everything else they tell us we need to upgrade to. They will try push something again...tell you that you need it...

HammadTheBeast4707d ago

Gman

Arguably one of the best gaming Eras was PS2 era. Blu-ray was a necessity. DRM isn't.

madpuppy4707d ago

If a criminal decides not to shoot you in the face because he is being filmed, that doesn't automatically make him your friend.

wiz71914707d ago

The fans spoke with their wallets so they listened , regardless of the fact the DRM is removed you should be happy.

YNWA964707d ago

Hammad, i do like bluray, loved all ps's and both xbox's. but both are about money.... Sony does always try to push new technology, force it, so does MS. I understand peoples frustrations with MS, but do not be blinded by Sony. They did get arrogant after PS2, almost cost them.... But they will go full DRM too, could now be first... You never know.

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AngelicIceDiamond4708d ago

The messiest Next gen transition ever in history.

Blank4708d ago

Well said! I never seen any console reveal go through this much controversy. Usually console reveals are a happy moment with tons of anticipation.

Biggest4708d ago

Has any gaming company started off explaining why what consumers feel is bad is actually good because the ONLY WAY for the console to function is with the "bad". . . And then throw away the major parts of "bad" as if they never actually mattered?

Xbox One is made from the ground up for the power of the cloud. The exclusive games are ONLY possible because of the power of the cloud. Oh yeah. . . Never mind. We lied, but at least you don't have obvious DRM? Doesn't that make you happy, consumers?

Messy is an understatement.

wastedcells4708d ago

Was thinking that too. But I don't think DRM is really gone. I'm sure they will have something in there still. Maybe just the online portion of the game. But I think the only online thing is still there for sure. They will force updates and the system needs to be online to start working so you still need an online connection. I just dont trust Microsoft right now. They are scrambling.

denawayne4708d ago

Games that take advantage of the cloud will require you to be online just like a multiplayer game. The 360 or PS3 doesn't require you to be online but you can't play COD or any other multiplayer game unless you're online.

Divine4707d ago

ms fans are total tools. u guys have to do sooo many things with the xbox system. ps4 for is so simple and more powerful

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kewlkat0074708d ago

This is so messed up. We lost all progress in the digital download business. We just got taken back 3 decades to an outdated business model that treats digital downloads as second class citizens and prioritizes physical media. No sharing/reselling/gifting of your downloaded games or online library. Put the disc in the system every time you want to play a game even though the disc serves no purpose other than local DRM checks. All convenience and progress thrown out the window.

AngelicIceDiamond4708d ago

@Kat don't back peddle unless you just like me saw some of the benefits behind the DRM console.

How come MS can't give us options to DRM, or not to DRM and still get the features? I have a stable connection so I would opt to DRM. If my net goes out how come I can't switch my settings to offline mode until it goes back up?

I have very, very mixed feelings right now.

BitbyDeath4708d ago (Edited 4708d ago )

DRM has nothing to do with sharing/reselling/gifting.

All that can still be done without mandatory online checks.

kewlkat0074708d ago

@AngelicIceDiamond

Obviously, to implement everything DRM related that was before this announcement meant things had to be a certain way, with the 24-hour checks....etc

To have the security checks in place with digitally/hard seems like, there have to be some trade offs, just as it was with digital DRM only.

Now, we loose some DRM benefits, at the cost of going back to last gen methods with hard copies.

All I wanted to do is switch games on the fly with the DRM policies which were set because it allowed it. Yes, at the expense of the checks, i feel like we need to move forward with DRM if it is here to stay.

JokesOnYou4708d ago

Wrong Bitbydeath, explain to me then how do you allow retail games to be downloaded then shared digitally among only 10 people/ profiles WITHOUT online verification=24hr checkin, Steam allows you to play offline cause you cant share like X1 would have.

Seriously please explain how?

SpideySpeakz4708d ago

I don't understand what's your problem. The Family Share Plan is more limited than you think. There's no mulitplayer, and only one person at a time can play it. So it's not that great, and it's certainly not a dealbreaker if not implemented.
Sony and MS PRs have confirmed that every game in retail stores will also be available on the Online Stores. So you don't have to touch a physical disc in your life, ever. Please, educate yourself. Go watch the actual E3 interviews.

JokesOnYou4708d ago (Edited 4708d ago )

Wow again you dont know what you're talking about, even if you download it WITHOUT 24hr checkin you canNOT share games anymore. That was a huge bonus Id much rather buy a game, let my nephews 3000 miles away check it out that same day after Ive played for a couple hrs, then easily with a friend or two, no waiting for a borrowed disc back, lets say I happen to be invited to a mutual friends house for a Bar B Q, I meet a few people, we talk about some games, he/someone hasnt played, he turns on his X1, I login let whoever check it out. We share gamertags join my family plan, we share different games from time to time and I never have to drive to his house.

I dont understand how people cant see how conveient this is, nah they'd rather just get ripped off by gamestop. Now I have to be limited for their sake.

BitbyDeath4708d ago

@Jokes, the best thing is that you now have unlimited for retail and if MS allowed it you could have up to 10 shares on digital content.

PS3 does it, they used to allow 5 shares but then reduced it to 2

TheDivine4708d ago

The game sharing stuff was awesome but not at the expense of offline play and relying on servers to authenticate my sp games. Why can't ms just keep it as it is now but let the cool features be for XML members? Make a drop box for any digital game and let you run disk games into the box with a condition that whoever outside of you that plays it have a 24 hr check only for the shared titles? If someone fails the check the title returns to the original owner. Problem solved. Offline play, used games, but we still get progress with sharing and trading dd games. Best of both worlds. This way it's an option and peeps may see the benefit especially if they can choose which titles to share so if someone fails a check other titles are still playable. You can't jump that far without a transition period like this.

solidjun54707d ago (Edited 4707d ago )

"This is so messed up. We lost all progress in the digital download business. We just got taken back 3 decades to an outdated business model that treats digital downloads as second class citizens and prioritizes physical media"

oh please. Speak for yourself.
I'm sure if this was the other foot where it was Sony, you wouldn't be crying about being stuck in the past.

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Starbucks_Fan4708d ago

"Xbox One is like that GF that cheated on you and wants to come back to you. lol. You'll be dumb enough to get back with xbox one."

Simon_Brezhnev4708d ago

Like somebody on gaf said "If somebody tries to rape you would you date them."

They didnt do this because of the feedback. Gamers been like this way before e3. It's mostly because of pre-orders and the worldwide bad press period.

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Lionsguard4707d ago

Well in their defense, they didn't exactly rape us yet. They announced they were going to rape us on a specific date and then changed their minds.

wiz71914707d ago

The fans spoke with their wallets, at the end of the day its a business.

kewlkat0074708d ago (Edited 4708d ago )

Xbox go to Halo
Please insert game disc to play
DOH!

Back to Xbox 360 2.0

BitbyDeath4708d ago

At least now you will only have to insert the one disc.

AngelicIceDiamond4708d ago (Edited 4708d ago )

@Kat And in some ways that sucks.

MissAubrey4708d ago

uh.. buy it on xbox live then if you don't want t insert a disc geez...

kewlkat0074708d ago

@MissAubrey

Can you confirm that? I mean that's one of the features I really wanted if I have to just buy digital, I will. I don't sell my games or trade them.

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wishingW3L4708d ago

digital games still have DRM though, so if they removed it entirely it was because they wanted.

badz1494708d ago

consumers have 1 less major thing to complain about. I was one of those very vocal against the DRM and now the Xbone is looking more attractive IMO!

can't believe some commenters here are actually upset about this and think DRM is the way to go! there's no DRM that's convenient to gamers and once you start accepting it, it will just get worst and by then, it will be too late if all publishers are already onboard!

no matter how you see it, this is a HUGE win for gamers!

wiz71914707d ago

Im mad that you even have disagrees right now, people are never happy.

ABizzel14708d ago

I think the majority of gamers are happy, because this means DRM will not likely make a return this generation.

Gamers are going to give them a hard time regardless though.

BlindMango4708d ago (Edited 4708d ago )

To me, they could still add the DRM policies if people choose to personally OPT INTO the family share program or the friend share program, it think it dumb that they removed it completely, as it can still be a full-fledged, optional feature for people who would want to use it.

Hello_World4708d ago

Boo hoo, poor Microsoft cant catch a break. Might have something to do with people knowing if MS had no competition we would be screwed.

KarrBOMB4707d ago

@HaloChampian

I didn't mean you could trade/resale steam games. I meant playing offline. You don't have to have a connection once the game is installed. M$ could easily have kept that feature.

I will admit that it's a cool feature, but I'd rather not have it and keep my used games buy/trade/borrow/lend abilities. Although M$ has taken that feature out, I can only assume that the 10 people listed were locked in once activated. So although it's a neat feature, you'd lose a really important option that I see as a far greater benefit. And once you locked in your 10 friends, what happens when you have an 11th friend that you wanted to include? Are they S.O.L, and what happens when tempers flare? You list someone that doesn't list you? Or you buy tons of games while others play off your purchases? You're going to get some pissed off people. If there was a simple way to add and remove people from the list of 10, than you could infinitely play any games by just randomly finding people online. IWith all the restrictions they had, I can't think they wouldn't have thought of this, so that list of 10 could cause a lot of anger in the Live community.

I guess what I'm getting at, is that the used game options are far better to have than the possibility of being included on someones list. Because personally I would make sure my friends with money put me on their list to reap the benefits, and so would everyone else. That would leave things very one sided.

KarrBOMB4707d ago

I don't think they had much choice. Steam allows offline play and trading, so M$ just decided to take the 10 sharing partners away. But I could care less about that, I'd way rather have the ability to lend, trade and give away any of my games rather then designate only 10 people. That and it's something we've always been able to do, so why screw the M$ gamers over in the first place?

Halochampian4707d ago

You can't trade games in steam. It's tied to your account. You can sell your account but you can't sell your contents of your account.

The family sharing definitely had its perks if you have close friends and family that are across the country. To simply allow them to play it without having to mail it to them was a great pro.

3-4-54707d ago

Regardless....They've still lost 10-15% of their fan base on principle alone.

The damage has been done. Haven't made my mind up yet as I'm not buying until 2014 but I'd be ok With the PS4 being my first Sony console.

I have no problem making the switch. I love the 360 controller though...If the new PS4 controller is better than DS3, then that was the only thing holding me back really.

I love xbox.....but they screwed themselves.

Blind hate towards them is ignorant, but they deserve all the backlash they get for being so arrogant.

How did the quote do" We have a system for those without internet...it's called xbox 360 " or something like that.

They are used to slapping people around without being hit back.

SonyPS3604707d ago

Don't understand why the share plan can't be kept for digital downloads. I think removing it was just a way for Microsoft to save face.

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dedicatedtogamers4708d ago (Edited 4708d ago )

Why should they be given a free pass? These DRM rules were restrictions that THEY designed and that THEY defended for the last month. I wonder if the same people who said "hurr hurr how could Sony win E3 just by NOT doing something?" are showing up en masse to say the same thing about Microsoft.

While I think it's fine if someone now wants to get an X180 due to the change of some of the policies, I also think it's perfectly logical to still not trust Microsoft.

Mr_Nuts4708d ago

I think people fail to realise that the DRM was one of MANY problems.

It was the MAIN problem...yes, but one of many

Kinect is next, hey if we managed to change this, we have the vocal power to do anything. Except world peace, hippies have tried that for decades but no ones budging but still...I'd say we keep going and get them to make some cheaper consoles without Kinect.

Cheaper console without Kinect = Killing two birds with one stone (The price problem and mandatory Kinect)

TheDivine4708d ago

Honestly although I don't much like kinect for games I'm happy it's standard so we can finally see devs use it for small integrations instead of all motion or all game pad. It's convenient for the homepage and browsing and can be used for some cool stuff. Better than a ps move and last gen kinect that never got fully utilized. Def makes for a complete package and I'd take the extra hundred in cost vs fragmenting the market forever.

hulk_bash19874708d ago

Here we go, no need for mandatory 24-hr check in and used games. Xbox One is back on the table for me, I just wish Kinect was optional.

UNGR4708d ago

Why? No harm, no foul. Who lost in this? A couple fanboys had burs up their asses since the 20th? Cry me a river, the did exactly what the internet bitched about and still people complain. Remember folks, this is why gamers are laughed at. Nobody could have lost anything, saying we shouldn't trust them is stupid. This big of a change out of the blue is exactly why you should trust them, somebody who really wanted to screw you over would have stuck with the same design and never looked back. They at least had some visionary ideas, it just had draw backs.

KarrBOMB4707d ago

^^^^ I so agree w/ dedicateds statement...

M$ has already proven that they don't care about the gamers, so I'm still not on board with everything. Why trust them and hope they don't later impose restrictions when the PS4 is everything gamers wanted from the start.

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Rukiara4708d ago

I like the shared family thing, but with getting rid of DRM I understand, but keeping it to maybe 2-3 other systems would have been nice.

wishingW3L4708d ago (Edited 4708d ago )

well now instead of having to download a 5-50GB game you just can simply borrow the disc. Is not like the 10 family member were going to be able to play the game at the same time, so what was the big deal? ;)

Biggest4708d ago

And it's not as if DRM is necessary to allow sharing. PS3 did it just fine.

IcicleTrepan4708d ago

heh such limited vision. What if your family/friend lives a thousand kilometres away?

Rukiara4708d ago

Accidentally hit the agreee button, which I don't. LOL.

It seems under my impression you'd be sharing the games, so why not be able to play them at the same time? You can on the PS3 if you share a few of the games, I'm pretty sure thats the POINT of sharing with family. Not to mention I don't think about downloading those games, I'm specifically talking about the games on the marketplace.

Think of it the way I deal with PS3.

I have two PS3s, and two vitas, because I have my husband. We share games between our ps3s, the ones we buy on PSN, and we are able to play them both at the same time if we want. I think Xbox should implement something similar.

cell9894707d ago

just like the PS3 does today

Kazuo_Hirai4708d ago

The Xbox will never win! Muhuhahahaha!

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Themba764708d ago

is kaz still laughing at microsoft?

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Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle12d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7712d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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I remember playing this back in the day on PS2. What a sick game!

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Outside_ofthe_Box17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster300017d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv7217d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit16d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania17d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit16d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot0716d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr17d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box17d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr16d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire9517d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv7217d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

--Onilink--17d ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv7216d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket17d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm16d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde16d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster9216d ago (Edited 16d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_17d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted17d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit16d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster9216d ago (Edited 16d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT17d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers17d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz14917d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot0716d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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