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Xbox One: Did Microsoft just pull off a Risky Marketing Technique?

GC - "Door-in-the-face marketing technique is risky but Microsoft may have pulled it off."

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JoGam4761d ago (Edited 4761d ago )

MS may have pulled off a risky marketing scheme and they may have lost ground by their tactics.

I think they can bounce back, however this experience shows both MS and Sony changing how we play games will be difficult has hell. They have to make sure they keep a well balanced business model where consumers are excited about the changes.

LOGICWINS4761d ago (Edited 4761d ago )

How much ground did they lose exactly? Less than 2% of gamers pre-order consoles and buy on launch day if we're going by history.

The mainstream, the majority of people who buy these consoles don't have a clue any of this DRM nonsense ever occured.

What MS is fighting for now is the hardcore minority.

JoGam4761d ago (Edited 4761d ago )

Ground is ground no matter how much loss. Also ground doesn't have to be sales. Ground could mean buzz or excitement. Regardless how u cut it they lost some.

Don't be nieve, if MS thought they wasnt losing ground those restrictions would still be in place.

LOGICWINS4761d ago

Im not disagreeing with you. They did lose ground...with the hardcore minority.

NatureOfLogic4761d ago

@ LOGICWINS,

Spin, spin and then spin some more. MS will lose install base after all of this. Worst console reveal ever and first impression is more important than you would like to admit. And you failed to realise that the Xbox fanbase is mostly that "hardcore minority."

LOGICWINS4761d ago

Umm..okaaay? Whatever you say.

GribbleGrunger4761d ago

Logic, it had hit the mainstream. Jimmy Fallon and other mainstream media reported this regularly. You would be right if it hadn't ... but it had.

dendenmooshi4761d ago

It's kind of a pet peeve of mine when people throw around numbers without having linked a source.

jmc88884761d ago (Edited 4761d ago )

Actually they lost ground with alot more people than 2 percent.

1. Kinect2 is still part of the Xbox One that is mandated. This issue isn't going away, as the leaks from Snowden and others have just begun about how pervasive and how EASILY we have all been spied on without a single court order.

2. People who were immediately fed up, some of them preordered already, and they missed the boat.

3. Lots of people already have a negative first impression and some of them remarkably but true, will still think Xbox One has all the other restrictions because that's how they learned about it come this fall. Also you know what they say about first impressions, it takes about 10 subsequent favorable impressions to remove the impact from the first negative one.

4. It still is a console that is $100 more and the PS4 is still 50-125 percent more powerful.

...and more, but that should be good enough for now.

Mounce4760d ago

and the Hardcore minority extremely help with Word of Mouth.

Friends who tell their friends, friends of friends who hear their friends who 'Know', and warn them of why to stay away from Xbox One and they listen to the hardcore-friend because they know better. So on and so on.

Hardcore 'Minority' are like, a Spear to concepts and passing information to the world. So - I'd think PS4 will still outsell Xbox One Side-by-side and that will continue in large momentum because of the promise and $100 price tag because if you're going to mention NON-HARDCORE.....Then what's important to casuals? Or if soccer moms/dads/casuals wanna pick a console - $100 cheaper will be the killer blow. "PS4 is $100 cheaper? What can the Xbox One do that the PS4 can't do? - Some exclusive games? Can PS4 run CALLA DUTEH? - It can? Ok, PS4, I save $100 and can buy TWO MORE GAMES on the PS4..."

See what I did there? It's called - Common sense in thinking like a consumer would. 'Logic Wins'.

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Mr_Nuts4761d ago

No...just no, don't make it out that this was all Microsofts plan from the start. They f***** up, gamers fought back and they lost.

Plan and simple

It's amazing with the amount of defense articles coming onto the site all of a sudden making out that gamers have ruined an amazing feature.

rainslacker4761d ago

Eh, this same argument was made before they revealed the console when all this DRM/Connected stuff was just rumors. People said MS would come out at E3 and announce that none of it was true, all to thunderous applause. Ironically that is what Sony did, although they said it was never their intention to do this stuff anyways.

If this was MS plan from the start, it would have to be the dumbest marketing move in history. They've turned off so many perspective buyers, or at the least turned many into wait-and-sees. What would be the point when you had an army of potential buyers just waiting to gobble up pre-orders?

gamertk4214761d ago

Luckily the Prospective Buyers aren't part of your argument.

Sitdown4761d ago

I believe they were testing the waters...if the complaints were minimum they would have gone through it, but the outcry caused them not too. I do sort of hate losing access to my library and the family sharing. In stead of worrying about sharing/trading, split the game price up amongst 4 or more people, and you could care less about used games, cause you make off better in the end.

jmc88884761d ago

Nope, this was there plan.

There were loud outcries months before the reveal.

They should have ditched it, and told the public they did so in February...even sooner really.

There is still Kinect, so they are still right there in the same boat as before, just they threw some stuff overboard.

despair4761d ago

Nope it would be a dumb thing to do and to pull it off you would need to keep devs in the dark and that would not end well. Not to mention it makes them look like fools for even having it in the first place .

Godmars2904761d ago (Edited 4761d ago )

More like they caved, and their fancamp are doing damage control.

"War. War never changes."

And by all current signs, its starting up again.

bicfitness4761d ago

The meltdowns have been glorious. Can't wait for the Digital Foundry comparisons. The asylums better have lots of free rooms padded and ready.

I still wouldn't touch an X1 at this point: weak hardware, high price and a spy cam. MS' business plan seems to consist of equal parts confusion and denial too. Not exactly confidence instilling.

finbars754761d ago

It doesnt matter if they announced this.Im sorry but all the crap they pulled and all of a sudden they decide where going to backpedal like that tells me that they did this because preorders where terrible, but mark my words now they will have some stipulation down the road witht the xboxone.A company doesnt just fold there crads like that withought some reason that we dont know about.They where also saying that MS did this to boost preorders as well so another sign that MS isnt to be trusted.If you guys go back to MS after all the shit they pulled and said then your only asking to get burned in the end.Give it time you will see.

jmc88884761d ago

People that 'trust ms' should remember that all of the recent past they've been talking about how they needed all these restrictions.

What's that? They were lying? What else could they be lying about?

Kinect2

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai64d ago (Edited 64d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio63d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing63d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9263d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit63d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing63d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9263d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay65d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn266d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers66d ago (Edited 66d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn265d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown65d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos66d ago (Edited 66d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay65d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay65d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac65d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger66d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300066d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde65d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood65d ago (Edited 65d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde65d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7567d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_64d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.