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Xbox One's DRM Explained

The Xbox One has online DRM. But what does this mean, and why isn’t it as big as deal as you might think? Shaxster explains.

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Yo Mama4717d ago (Edited 4717d ago )

Boy, these no name, generic, pro-microsoft sites are coming out of the woodwork today. Microsoft must have contracted out some positive PR spin . Damage control.

WorldGamer4717d ago

My thoughts exactly. Phantom "experts" emerging from the ether to defend MS.

Does make sense however, I don't think MS really anticipated the negative reaction they got. At this point, it seems like they might be trying to stop the bleeding, if I may use that analogy.

JokesOnYou4717d ago (Edited 4717d ago )

Yeah of course all the negative news threads were legit but how dare any site examine the pro and cons without forming a negative opinion.

If you actually read it, hes not waving pom-poms, no its just a well thought analysis of micros drm plans.

I cant believe of all people you guys complain about a few balanced/positive news stories amongst a parade of negative ones...hmmm probably because these sound alot more accurate, informative and balanced than a 1000 "why you shouldn't buy a Xbone" blogs. lol

Biggest4717d ago

"Yeah of course all the negative news threads were legit but how dare any site examine the pro and cons without forming a negative opinion."

You are absolutely correct, JokesOnYou. How dare anyone form a positive opinion. There are no positives to this from a consumer's perspective. Isn't that what we are?

YNWA964717d ago

Yeah, phantom experts... Oh wait, this site is full of them.... All well paid experts..... Fantastic...

JokesOnYou4717d ago (Edited 4717d ago )

Biggest
"There are no positives to this from a consumer's perspective."

See thats the problem you believe your perception to be a fact.

You are unwilling to see there are 2 sides to every coin, where you see drm some see usage conveniences or even a way to pay less for brand new retail games on day 1 vs used game fee/price.

Now if you just flat out say YOU personally prefer the traditional way used games are handled vs drm restriction regardless of the convenience/financial incentive then fine but assuming thats the case for everyone just means you like to dictate whats best for everyone and likely wont read or sensibly discuss the validity of the writers points.

greenlantern28144717d ago

@JokesonYou
cheaper games, ms announced as did sony that next gen games will be 60$ so the same price there goes that point. the positives are only for ms and devs if they want to take advantage of this but not to you the consumer, for now anyways. and you continue to miss the fact that not every one that is totally pro xbox cant get online so they cant get xbox 1. right. even ms has said that 40 million xbox live accounts but that is a little over 50% of xbox360 sold, ms potentially cutting about half their market

justastranger104717d ago

Everything in that article was true. It's also true that Sony is going bankrupt but everytime I mention it, people get so upset and angry. Why? I didn't lie or anything. It's the truth.

CYCLEGAMER4717d ago

@greeniantern

Some games will be cheaper, Killer instinct is the prime example of one.

i.e. you can either buy killer instinct at full retail price $60 or you can get the game for free with one character, and choose which characters you want to download. If I will generally only play with 5 or 6 characters, I will have made out like a bandit (depending on the price of the characters).

Sono4214717d ago

@ JokesOnYou

"some see usage conveniences or even a way to pay less for brand new retail games on day 1 vs used game fee/price."

What? Care to go into detail at all? Stop being so vague. Explain one convenience that requires DRM, and as for paying less for a used game... What? How do you figure that? Seriously not hating or being a fanboy I legit want an explanation because both of these are new to me.

NewMonday4716d ago

"If you think this 24 hour requirement is a problem…get over it"

gamers don't have to, the XBone is not the only game in town.

@JokesOnYou

can explain to me why Steam and iOS games can be played off line on multiple devices without check-in?

can you explain to me why an Xbone game is still $60 but I cant use it indefinitely?

can you explain to me why I don't have a choice to NOT sync my games to the digital library and thus don't need a 24h check in?

this "article" is just another shill piece that tries to cover up the MS anti-consumer assault, tell your masters it's not working.

Freedomland4716d ago

It's not about DRM or anything else but about over all approach towards gaming, consumer rights and freedom to play, sell, borrow and gift your games. They made everything so complicated that I would surely prefer even not to do it.
Ps4 all the way for me.

Death4716d ago (Edited 4716d ago )

Consumer rights...
Read your User Agreement. Ask someone to explain it if you can't comprehend it.

The article is a very good read. It explains the features and benefits of having a digital library. It explains the DRM needed to prevent dishonest people from stealing all their games. When I sign into Steam from my laptop, it signs me out of my PC. You need to authenticate the system you play on. This is DRM. You also can't trade these games, sell them or gift them to a friend.

If you want to give up the ability to play all your games without the disc in the drive locally or have access to all your games remotely, buy the PS4. XboxOne games can still be traded. You just can't give them away. You can still loan them out, but you are being forced to do it digitally without actually handing them a physical copy.

XboxOne games have more flexibility than PSN or Live Marketplace games since you still retain a physical copy and enjoy the convenience of the digital too. If this scares you, once again buy the PS4 and pray that Sony doesn't decide to evolve like everyone else.

Nobody thought Sony would trample the "rights" to play online for free. How is that working out?

gaffyh4716d ago

@JOY - I agree with the usage convenience, but personally I thin the cons outweigh the pros, and feel like people shouldn't buy an XBone, especially at launch, just out of principle, because accepting some of the measures MS has put in place now, will lead to a world of hurt in the following generations.

@sono - He means the fact that you can install and run games, without having to swap discs. It is a good thing that, but you can do the same with digital downloads, if only they were price accordingly.

Freedomland4716d ago

@Death

And you think hackers will leave X1 alone.
Don't compare Steam because Steam is for pc not for consoles because pc is always online.
If I wanted Steam, I could have bought a gaming pc and it can do a lot more things than X1.
I need a console which can play games in a simplest way anywhere, anytime, just pop in the disc and play.
You've been paying for Live for years and now you complain about Psn, you know that Gaikai services are really expensive.
Sony provided psn free for nearly 7 years and still it's free for ps3.

SilentNegotiator4716d ago (Edited 4716d ago )

It's a no name site using the old "it's not so bad" line.
You can't be so dense as to fall for that.

It's sad and telling that only the most intense of fanatics are even trying to convince people that it isn't "bad"...just "not so bad"

dantesparda4716d ago

So now MS and all their lackeys and fanboys (the Microsoft Defense Force) are insulting my intelligence and trying to tell me that im an idiot for not understanding why this sh!t they are trying to impose on us, is not only good, but actually better. F-you MS, you're the dumb@sses, not me/us for not falling for this crap! and Jokes is just becoming more and more of a joke all the time with every new comment he makes and Death is just another diehard MS fanboy, who is actually worst than Jokes in my opinion.

Dueces!

mananimal4716d ago

Nope.

You might want to check the track record of MS giving your data over to the NSA.

Especially in light of all the spying that's been uncovered (and anyone with a dinosaur brain has known about).

Because Microsoft DOES give your data away, it does sell or trade it with other corporations (thousands of them).

If the NSA requests your data....Microsoft will hand it over...it doesn't even need a real court order. It doesn't even need an unconstitutional FISA kanagaroo court order, or a letter of national security.

Because they also let the gov't jack into their stuff and you know then no one has to ask Microsoft jack.

Also in other operations they jack into the backbone of the internet and record everything.

Here's a clue people...if it's electronically communicated...it's being recorded.

Didn't anyone read how members of congress were finally briefed on what was going on. You know what they said?

"In a C-SPAN Journal Video interview yesterday, Rep. Loretta Sanchez (D-CA) said about the secret NSA briefing Congress received Tuesday, that the federal surveillance programs revealed in media reports are just "the tip of the iceberg."

"What we learned in there," Sanchez said, "is significantly more than what is out in the media today."

Sanchez said lawmakers were "astounded" by what they heard. "I think it's just broader than most people even realize, and I think that's, in one way, what astounded most of us, too," Sanchez said of the briefing. "

Oh yes they are watching you. Your data from what your heart rate to how you react to something (since they can tell your mood) to all sorts of data including audio and video.

Then they come out with a bill entitled...."We are watching you" to curb some of this crap.

Why do you think that is???? Think the title is a bit of a hint? A way to get around national security bs? You bet your sweet ass.

When it comes to spying, especially when the gov't tells them to keep it hush, hush....you don't refer back to MS to 'prove' Kinect doesn't watch you.

Are people really that fucking stupid????? That fucking naive???? Don't be morons.

4Sh0w4716d ago (Edited 4716d ago )

Its clear to me some like what X1 is doing some don't some will buy it some won't.

It just bothers me that the was who wont care so much about what others buy. If it really sucks X1 will fail like you wanted it to anuway and you can still play your ps4, win win for the ones who don't like it.

Fortunately no individual group dictates the direction of a free market, thus the mass market will decide, hell they've already decided every piece of entertainment media has a digital download format with drm restrictions and this method continues yo grow in popularity, soon games will go the way of CDs in that the method of sales and usage will be almost entirely dd.

EveryPlatformGamer4716d ago (Edited 4716d ago )

Microsoft have reversed xbox 1 online and used game policies, bravo this is a good day for gamers and consumers, and has shown the greedy corporations we wont take it laying down!!
http://uk.ign.com/articles/...

Dee_914716d ago

DRM is there for the digital library
/article
now the question is, who wants to give up their rights for a digital gaming library?

Gaming1014716d ago

lol here's the sad part: this is just a fanboy site, they're not being paid by Microsoft. Msoft executives have no clue they even exist, they write this garbage solely out of their fanboy allegiance to all things X-bone.

Here's what I still don't know - if I haven't authenticated in 24 hours, what do they really mean that I won't be able to play games? Does it mean that I just need to re-authenticate by connecting to the internet again? Or is there some other process whereby all your games are accessible again? How do I get my games back without an internet connection if my internet goes down temporarily? Oh that's right, I can't. Not even single player.

And who are these "gamers" who desperately want DRM and a digital based future? They're a minority, if the outcry over used games is any indication. If the audience of people buying everything digitally was so big, there would be no qualms over this DRM. This is what the writer of this fanboy website has failed to recognize. Time to get out of the bubble, we do not live in an all digital age of games, retail will always exist as long as people enjoy borrowing games, trading them in, and buying used.

End of discussion.

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Mikelarry4717d ago

today??? try since last week bro.

its funny tho if microsoft truly believed they had the right approach wouldn't they let the amazing games and the value of kinect speak for itself makes you wonder hey

HammadTheBeast4717d ago

All week, I've been seeing "news" of MS heads spewing BS about "cloud", "digital era", always connected, kinect, and just so much damage control garbage its like a joke.

Meanwhile, people are making news about Sony one-liners.

Narutone664716d ago

They might be in trouble now. See this news: http://www.warpzoned.com/20...

MizTv4717d ago

Yeah it's called bullshit

RedHawkX4716d ago

yep basically this. xbox 360 owenrs i dont know why you are trying to get an xbox one because no ones gonna buy it. xbox one is the new myspace buddy. its dead finished people are moving over to the ps4 its cheaper and more powerful and it makes since to get it. ps4 top of the preorder charts everywhere. that xbox live experience is no more. that experience times 10 is coming to the ps4 and thats where all the people will be. stop fighting it and use your brains if you still got one.

Death4716d ago

Cheaper and more powerful.

You get less in the box and the power will be determined with the software. Anyone that trully feels one is better than the other isn't very bright. Both have Jaguar 8 core CPUs, 8 gigs of ram and a 7000 series derived AMD GPU. The only difference is the type of ram being used. Search for the difference between DDR3 and GDDR5 ram online. Then make an informed opinion about which is the better way to go. I'll give you a hint, neither is ideal.

The Real Peter Moore4716d ago (Edited 4716d ago )

@Death

STFU with that bullsh!t, you know damn well that the GDDR5 gives PS4 way more bandwidth than Xbone's GDDR3. PS4's GDDR5 RAM gives it a 176GB of bandwidth throughout its entire 8GB RAM pool, whereas Xbone's GDDR3 only has ~66GB to its RAM. But yeah, that's not alot faster, right? And dont talk to me about some tiny 32MB cache that runs at a ~102GB bandwidth, cuz you'll only get that bandwidth to a minuscule amount of RAM. You thats why MS put those "Move Engine" chips in the Xbone right? each one has 25GB of bandwidth to try and compensate for the differEnce between the GDDR3 RAM's bandwidth and the ESRAM's bandwidth. But you realize, that, this make the Xbone a far more complicated architecture when compared to the PS4, right?

They may both have the same CPU but we dont know what modifications (if any) were made to each one and i know Sony has talked about a few of them, i havent heard of any from MS. And even the AMD guy said that he was really impressed with the PS4's APU but has said no such thing of MS'.

But when it comes to the GPU side of things, its a whole different story. And here the PS4 is clearly superior, with over 50% higher CU performance than Xbone. Now if the programmers are going to develop to the lowest common denominator (clearly being the Xbone here) then yes, you wont see a difference. But otherwise, you would see a difference where the PS4 version, could run at a higher res and with higher frames rates and more effects like AA or AF. And this nonsense about Xbone giving you more for the money? Are you crazy? i aint paying no extra $100 for no fvcking Kinect! Im straight with that sh!t, you can keep that, little kid! And Sony sells the PS4's PS Eye for $59, still cheaper than Xbone. Man, you're one dumb fanboy! Now you go read up and learn a little something.

HammadTheBeast4717d ago

I honestly don't know how you'd explain it, it's DRM lol. What's there not to get?

trancefreak4716d ago

I just hope that Microsoft's DRM POLICIES doesn't enforce unintended unnecessary charges onto other gaming consoles' used value and resell.
I would not want Gamestops and other trade in stores to try and compensate for losses with Microsoft's trade in/ re sell/ policies.

That will piss me off

TheHybrid4717d ago

What facts in this article were false? Sounds like a cut and dry examination of how it's going to work. Tired of hearing ppl speak out against something they don't understand

Caffo014717d ago

What's false?

The fact that DRM "isn’t as big as deal as you might think".

jmc88884717d ago (Edited 4717d ago )

Because they act like it's the ONLY way to do things.

There's 1000 ways to skin a cat, and last I checked Steam sends me an email that my account is registered to when I log on, if it sees I'm at a different computer. (when I LOG ON, not when Steam decides to)

The difference? I can play my games offline with no reason to need being online.

There are many ways to go about it, requiring a 24 hour check-in or my console useless is mornoic.

Especially if some people won't share anything. You see that Microsoft assumes EVERYBODY is going share EVERYTHING with as many as they can and each one of them is going to try to abuse it.

Why is it that if I download a game, or even have the disc itself, it can't tell without an online check?

Especially when PS4 allows others to play a game with them that they don't own without the DRM.

Also then the article makes light of the situation...saying in most places..

Well most isn't everyplace, yet everyplace the console is at it is beholden to these rules. It affects more than you know.

How many people have internet access in their living room, but not in little billy's bedroom?

Also the world has varying levels of internet capability.

Others have tons of data caps, and if someone is over, or the Xbox One breaches those caps, their entire console is bricked. The Xbox One isn't made for them?

So I guess the Xbox One isn't made for about 1/3 of all gamers, which means it isn't for gamers.

Last I checked no matter what someone elses internet is, I can still play my multiplayer games, but you say because MS wants DRM that since some players can't or won't bend over for it, it's holding you back? No...that's MS holding you back. Because THEY DECIDED IT!!!!

He makes assumptions then that it's THOSE people holding him back? Try steam buddy.

Oh and it completely forgot the #1 reason people shouldn't need to rely on such checks...the PSN network hack.

That's right, had PS3 used the same features that are in the Xbox One your internet might have been just fine, but since Microsoft's wasn't working, you would have not been able to use your console for a month.

Guesses, errors, omissions, and incorrect assumptions.

..and it doesn't at all talk about the 100 percent guaranteed to spy on you massively Kinect.

...and doesn't talk about $100 more for a console where the graphics card isn't even worth $100.

It's important price is factored in, because you are paying more and getting so much less.

badkolo4716d ago

they are blinded, it clearly states why its needed, becuase you can share aND TRADE YOUR GAMES DIGITALY AND THE DRM STOPS YOU FORM STEALING or playing the game with 2 people at the same time which you cant do now, learn to read

fatstarr4717d ago

they are pushing alot of shill stuff to all the videogame centrals. next ign will be pro xbox after a couple of checks are cashed.

defyenz4717d ago

Wait til you own your own business and have to do everything to get it back to top form.Strictly business son.Watch and learn. Might be useful to you in the future once you realize the living in your video game world does'nt cut it in the real world.

NextGen24Gamer4717d ago

Great read. Sony fans will never like these type of articles. Clear to the point and it clearly shows the advantage of having disc less gaming. Sony will catch up to Xbox next gen and have disc less gaming and these same pigeons will say how great it is. Lol

DigitalRaptor4717d ago (Edited 4717d ago )

What about the advantages of Internet-less gaming. I bet you won't see them, right? In fact, a huge chunk of the world won't see those benefits because of the glaring problems that come with the requirements, but that's okay cause they won't be buying a worthless brick.

Keep pretending this is exclusive to Sony fans. When the reports come through relating to Internet-based or DRM-based issues from Xbox One purchasers, the last laugh will come from those sensible enough to not have supported MS.

NextGen24Gamer4717d ago

I haven't Internet less gamed in over 7 years. I would assume it would be a requirement moving forward into the next generation. If your a person with no Internet, you are stuck in the past and the future is leaving u behind

greenlantern28144717d ago

sony currently way ahead in pre orders so why do they have to catch up to ms? devs will make their games for witch ever system they can sell more games on.
also you all seem to think sony cant do digital but the ps3 has a huge amount of content on the ps network right now and lots of day one digital releases the same will apply to ps4. sony gives you and game devs options. ms forces you to bend to their will

NextGen24Gamer4717d ago

@Greenlantern

"sony currently way ahead in pre orders so why do they have to catch up to ms?"

When I say catch up and have disc less games, I mean exactly that. In order to do that they need to have DRM in place and need to support that. It needs to be a standard for it to actually work when you buy a game and never have to use the disc again. Sony will eventually do it, and all YOU sony fans will say how great it is! Late to the party! LOL

"devs will make their games for witch ever system they can sell more games on."

No your partially wrong. Devs will sell their games where they can make the most money off their games. MS with their DRM will guarantee devs that thei game sales will go directly to them every time a game is sold or resold. So while they might sell more copies on the ps4, they will make more money from their games on the xbox one...Don't get it twisted. These guys are in it to make money kiddo! LOL

"also you all seem to think sony cant do digital but the ps3 has a huge amount of content on the ps network right now and lots of day one digital releases the same will apply to ps4. sony gives you and game devs options. ms forces you to bend to their will"

Sony can do digital, Sony can do eye toy, sony can do cloud, LOL...the problem with all of that is that it's all optional and Sony hasn't invested all of their resources in the future. They have one foot in and one foot out...which means it won't be fully realized on the Ps4. It's common sense really. Xbox is ALL IN on the new tech and features and DRM...Meaning that they are way ahead of Sony in every next gen feature set...Sony will do many of the things Xbox One is doing now with their next Next gen console...LOL...

Meanwhile Xbox One gamers will already have it....This November!

Just like Sony is now charging for online gaming...LOL...Follow the leader...Sony fans from all walks of life bashed the xbox for having to pay to play online...LOL....Funny how far advanced MS was in that area...Sony is playing catch up and MS is leading the way!

Now Sony fans love having to pay to play online...LOL...No complaints from anyone....lol...This site is too funny. I love it!

badz1494716d ago

what is this "disc less gaming" that you're talking about like it's something new on consoles? if you ever own a PS3 or PSP or Vita, you might have heard the thing call full game downloads, right? the PS3 has done this so called "disc less gaming" since what...Warhawk? that was launched in 2007! shall I say...welcome to digital age to you? you're 6 years late to the party though!

back then, a game purchased and can be downloaded to 5 different PS3s and can be used by unlimited number of accounts on those 5 PS3s all at the same time! the number of consoles have been reduced now to 2 plus 2 portables but still no restrictions on playing them at the same time like the Xbone is going to do!

"Sony will catch up to Xbox next gen and have disc less gaming and these same pigeons will say how great it is." - LOL!

I and many other PS3 owners have been doing disc less gaming since back then! I myself have Warhawk, SOCOM Confrontation, GoW Collections, Sly Collections, R&C Collections, Jak & Daxter Collection, MGS Collection, Borderlands, Sly 4, R&C Q4B, R&C QForce, PASBR, BFBC2 and some more I don't remember because it started WAAAY back then, not 2013 LOL!

moparful994716d ago

Its not about the advantages or lack thereof.. The issue is about it being forced everyone complies or you don't play. Just because you fall in the 1% of gamers that want a console like this doesn't mean it should be forced upon us.. We vote with our voices and dollars but you label us sony fanboys because we dont want a restrictive game experience for features that exist elsewhere with ZERO. restrictions.. I'm sick of Microsoft writing their own rules and then having to deal with loyalists such as yourself berate me for opposing their corporate greed driven restrictions!

NextGen24Gamer4716d ago

Disc Less as in Every single game on the system is Disc Less. Even when you buy a disc...you install it and never need it again. Never need to carry around your game library again...That's the future of gaming and Sony will eventually catch up. Sure Sony has games you can download and play without disc...But I'm talking about as a standard.

In order for it to be a standard you need DRM. It's not complicated.

Everyone who complains bout MS pushing new tech and features for the FUTURE of gaming...Don't jump in. Stick with your ps3, ps4, or xbox 360.

My dad made a lot of the same arguments you sony fans are making when companies made to push from Tape Recorders to CD. LOL..LOL...LOL...

Real talk...I understand you don't want to let go of the present and the past..I get it...But some of us are ready for the future. We shouldn't be held back because some still want to dinosaur game.

We can agree to disagree. But when the next next ps5 comes out and they follow what MS is doing now...It will be funny how you sony fans will respond.

Being revolutionary takes a company being bold and taking calculated risks....MS is fortunate to be a mega rich company so they can afford to be bold and revolutionary. Sony is in financial trouble so they played it safe with old policies and basically giving gamers the ps3 again but with better graphics.

Sony will be rewarded with better sales to help their struggling company.

Gamers who choose xbox one will be rewarded with true next gen console with next gen features that SONY doesn't offer as a standard!!!!

Kinnect 2.0
4k gaming
300,000 server Cloud Computing
Disc Less games (sharing with 10 people)
1080p Skype/TV/Movies/Games all switched in a SNAP!

Thank you Microsoft....Who cares if you don't sell the most, you are giving the most to hardcore next gen gamers!

Click the link and you will see that SONY ps4 doesn't do 4k gaming! LOL...

http://www.gamespot.com/new...

And the xbox one does support 4k gaming!!!!! Ultra HD...The future!!!!

http://bgr.com/2013/05/22/x...

dantesparda4716d ago

Wow! Elitegamer whatever the fvck, you've just gone full retard on our ass. You are one super deluded MS fanboy eh? I aint gonna spend anymore time on someone as deluded as you, that would make me stupid.

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justastranger104717d ago

You seem to be mad its a pro Xbox One article more than anything. Dealwithit

JitterbugTS4717d ago

Well what a shock - every comment I see posted by 'Yo Mama' is either a pro-Sony stance or a vehemently anti-MS one. Perhaps the corporate shill hat sits squarely on your head. Talkingship has been around for a long, long time. The site's never been a heavy videogame focused place, but more about having a good time and enjoying games, movies, music, or whatever. Perhaps before your next accusation about a site being a "generic, pro-microsoft" shill, you should take ten seconds to actually explore if your accusation holds any weight. Oh, why bother? Just continue wearing a corporation's name on your face and blare their marketing mantras all over the internet. It's one thing to fall in love with a corporation, but it's another thing (a sad, sad thing) to make it your life's goal to spew their marketing message every chance you get.

joefrost004716d ago

The funny thing about all of this is I bet all of you stay connected to your internet anyway
If not im pretty sure you have an cell phone that can do tethering

I have figured it out
Its not the being Connected the bothers you all its.just yall want the mindfuck of knowing you all have a choice
MS comes along and basically tells you its now required.to do something you.have been doing anyway
And people are like
No I want have no part of this it doesn't matter im always hooked to the internet what if I want to get off even though I haven't sense I had internet x amount of years ago
Or what if my connection drops. I dont care if it hasnt ever dropped for a whole day
Lol you people are classic

AceofStaves4716d ago

What's "classic" here is the assumption that everyone else has the same Internet functionality you do, or the same cellphone. Some of us have spotty Internet connections and also have to deal with data caps. I've gone through point where my 'Net was done for a couple of days. Not to mention other circumstances - people moving to new places to live, soldiers, etc.

And not everyone has a smartphone either. I don't, because I don't need my phone to surf the Web. I just need something to make calls on.

What if the positions were reversed, and Sony was the company with the mandatory DRM? Would you feel the same way?

irokster4716d ago

To hell with you man, my internet goes out EVERY DAMN NIGHT! I can't be dealing with a console that requires you to check in and authentication bullcrap. Trust me, I'm all for the future but most of OUR country isn't ready for it a far as internet strength and reliability is concerned.

pete0074716d ago

Bt you have the choice To go ps4. What makes you think msft wants To sell an Xbox To every human beeing? I have my One preordered and cant whait!!!

safsaan4716d ago

it could be MS, but all of it does seems like legit info.

FunkMacNasty4716d ago

I tried to read this objectively, but I still come away with a bad taste in my mouth over the X1..

Also the author says "Gamers have been begging for games to go discless for a long time now, but now that it’s here they can’t deal with the implications of it." Really? Never once in any gaming circle have i EVER heard someone say (or type) "gee I sure wish videogames were discless"

I'm sorry to say it, but this whole thing sounds like it was written by Microsoft PR. It even has the same cocky tone to it that Microsoft has adopted in the face of worldwide criticism over the X1.

irokster4716d ago

All I hear being said is people still want their physical product even though a bunch of people have adopted downloading new games.

tawilk344716d ago

i've had times where i've made perfect circle scratches on my discs and had to go back to gamestop for a replacement. i've also had them just get totally scratched up by various neglect. then there are the times you lend it to a friend and he really puts a number on it or sometimes losses it.

i don't think i've explicitly asked for a discless system, but it has some benefits that i can't argue with. it will also free up some much needed shelf space in my house.

BallsEye4716d ago

Yeah, like sony contracted all of you on n4g. Shush fanboy. If it would be article about how much it sucks, you'd praise it. Open your mind tool. It's good to have options and it's good to listen to opinions, but you fanboys got out of hand.

Cmk01214716d ago

Yeah way worse than article saying X1 isnt being sold at gamestop certain locations cause that makes ZERO sense. 1/3 of the company is boycotting??? or jimmy fallon saying X1 doesnt support used games, FALSE. its just the gaming world man, they do it for MS and against MS. they do it for Sony and against Sony. Gaming community is just that way

Cueil4716d ago

I got some tin foil hats for sale... I'll give you 50 percent off. The more logical truth is that some people just see things differently then N4G posters

kreate4716d ago

from the article..

'Go to shop. Buy disc. Insert disc in console. Game installs and links to your Xbox Live account. Throw disc away forever'

since the xbox needs to be connected,installed, and authenticated, what's the point of going to the store, mine as well just download it off the xbox live.

badkolo4716d ago

thats the point, you should just download it if you can, no need to wait to go buy it, travel, we are in the future. #jointhefuture

kreate4716d ago

i understand thats the points. so i agree with ur comment.

Mariusmssj4716d ago (Edited 4716d ago )

"So your Internet speed shouldn’t matter at all."

I thought it was clear that the lowest speed limit was 1.5Mbps

MazzingerZ4716d ago (Edited 4716d ago )

"Explained"....again ? I guess it's pretty clear that all those restrictions are not attractive to gamers so it doesn't matter how you put it...the only good explanation would be "Sorry, we taking away all that stuff so you'll get a X360 2 which is what you actually want"

By the way...never heard of this site...I guess as time goes it's becoming harder and harder to find sites that still have the guts to defend MSFTs policies with the X1

I wonder how things would look for MSFT after Gamescom...SONY still hasn't shown anything from Media Molecule and Naughty Dog..and we know they have somthing to show...they have for sure other stuff to show

At this point I can't guess what MSFT can show, their E3 (US) has always been stronger than their Gamescom(EU)...but who knows

I'm getting a PS4 regardless, I like the variation SONY delivers with their exclusive games and those little PSN gems can't either be missed

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NYC_Gamer4717d ago

"As Microsoft have put it over the last few days, if you don’t have an Internet connection then the Xbox One isn’t for you"

That's a lot of countries/rural areas that X1 isn't for then...

matgrowcott4717d ago (Edited 4717d ago )

It depends if those rural areas have literally no internet, in which case they'll basically be used to being left out. It's unlikely they'll get phone coverage either and they may even find getting post relatively difficult. If someone in that situation absolutely needs a next-gen console, they're going to end up with dozens of half-games and a system that does hardly anything advertised regardless of what they choose - be it current-gen, next-gen or PC.

If they do get dial-up or whatever, there's a pretty good chance they'll still be able to do the check-in (a couple of KBs will take less than a second on most dial-up connections). They'll just have to turn off every other feature, which is what they'll be doing on any system anyway.

matgrowcott4717d ago

What was the last single player game you played? I mean, strictly single player, absolutely no multiplayer component whatsoever? I'm thinking Dishonored on my part.

Do you think the trend towards adding social features and multiplayer modes - given what we know about next-generation and the features that both consoles brag - is going to subside? Rather, do you think developers are going to continue to presume most people have decent connections and will include features to blend single and multiplayer?

I mean, you have a point and I'm not going to specifically argue that point, but I'd say that those looking for purely single player games would be better off investing in a current-gen console or a last-gen console. Those investing in a PS4 without an internet connection will lose out on so much of what it's capable of, to the point where you're paying full price for a game you won't be able to fully access.

There's no argument that those investing in an Xbox One will be losing more however.

JeffGUNZ4716d ago

Honestly, do you real give a sh*t about a third world country having internet so they could play a gaming console they couldn't even afford? Give me a break.

MonChiChi4716d ago

Umm last I checked X1 is not workable at launch in a lot of countries, Japan being one of them. X1 only active in 21 countries. This is all from xbox official site. So I wouldn't say it's much third world countries because other countries are being left out.

JeffGUNZ4716d ago

First off, Japan? Really? Like MS controls so much of Japan...Come on, that's Sonys land. MS is hitting their target markets at launch, that's evident.

tawilk344716d ago

@MonChiChi

like the release of the PS3 and 360, they will roll out countries that work best with their capabilities and shipping channels. they will most certainly expand on this country list as they get closer to launch. they will even have countries in the queue for shortly after launch.

japan is a tough sell in terms of competition, but the XB1 will eventually be there as well.

Cmk01214716d ago

I honestly dont get why anyone would spend 500 to play this thing offline when 98% of perks are derived online gaming and other wise. I get people want food in the fridge even if they arent hungry, BUT dont hear a whole lot about the core things. Jump ship to ps4, no dedicated servers and faulty service. IE new update bricking consoles. I think MS acknolwdges they wont win asian or europe market and is somewhat fine destroying in the US. however their god awful marketing might end up with them losing US market as well. tough to say

JeffGUNZ4716d ago

I agree with your stance on MS is clearly targeting their biggest markets, but I still feel like they will do well in their big market countries all throughout Europe, like England for say. I feel as if MS isn't looking at the next 2-3 years, rather the entire generation.

green4717d ago (Edited 4717d ago )

"Here’s how the game buying process is going to work: Go to shop. Buy disc. Insert disc in console. Game installs and links to your Xbox Live account. Throw disc away forever."

I think this is a cool feature that Microsoft has implimented. The DRM is there to ensure you still own the game and you can share game with your friends.

But why can't Microsoft make it like this? Buy game, install it on xbox One. If system tries to connect to internet to authenticate disk and fails, it prompts user to insert game disk back into system for verification. No interenet also means no accessing of saves on the cloud and no game sharing.

This in my opinion will be ideal for people that do not have any interent access.

Yo Mama4717d ago (Edited 4717d ago )

They can't and won't do that because they need to be the one who verifys everything. If they leave it up to the system to check, with no online functionality, it would be way easier to hack/mod the system and stay offline and enjoy free games forever. They must control everything!!!

UNGR4717d ago (Edited 4717d ago )

Considering how big of a problem piracy, and hacking was on the 360 I don't blame them for wanting DRM. This particular method? Could have thought of something a little better. But piracy and hacking was rampant, try playing a game more than 2 years old, or any Call of Duty, or other big title 6 months after release. It'll be full of hacker guaranteed. Piracy is rampant on the 360, and PC due to the absolute ease of pirating the damn game. Sony didn't do DRM just because they don't need it, they didn't experience the piracy, and hacking on the scale of the 360, couldn't even hold a candle. The PS3 with it's architecture was fantastic hacker deterrent, and great cock block for video game piracy. Now that they have simplistic architecture they'll get to see it first hand. Granted the things will sell like candy covered cocaine so I doubt the sales on games being pirated would be effected much.

JokesOnYou4717d ago

Yo Mama I agree without the online check its a simple mod and you could play forever offline for free, or basicly with unlimited amount of friends who all could group up, buy 1 game then install the game on unlimited consoles. So of course they have to control it, not doing so would be financial suicide.

moparful994716d ago

@jokes so riddle me this genius how is it that it wasnt a problem for sony on the ps3? In fact sony has a higher software attach rate across the board. Just read an article how Sony sold over a million more software units over the course of this past fiscal year.. If DRM was so crucial to the survival of the industry then why is it that Microsoft is the only company implementing? One word. Control.

Death4716d ago

Hit me a link for the software attach rates. Is this platform specific or does it cover PS2 and PSP/Vita games? Does it accoount for downloads too? Would love the info. Thanks.

ExCest4716d ago

@moparful99

Answer: the Jtag. Has anyone thought of that as a reason that there's DRM? People may use steam as an example of "good" DRM with offline functionality but their DRM isn't the most effective there is. It's beyond easy to pirate a steam game.

There's no need to be a captain of conspiracy.

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Kingthrash3604717d ago

PR rampage.....no saving this....especially when it looks as tho even the vp doesn't jnow wtf he's talking about.

Unicron4717d ago

How many times do they need to "explain" it now?

FunAndGun4717d ago

Until it puts you under a hypnotic trance....

DRM is good, DRM is good, DRM is good......

say it enough and it will become your reality.

thebudgetgamer4717d ago (Edited 4717d ago )

Nanananana leader.

ziggurcat4716d ago

"How many times do they need to "explain" it now?"

repeat something often enough...

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio18d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing18d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9218d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit18d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing18d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9218d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay20d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn221d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn220d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown20d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay20d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay20d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac20d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger21d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300020d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde20d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde20d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7522d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_19d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.