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Why is the PlayStation Plus Pay Wall a Problem?

Want to play online multi-player on the PS4? You are going to have to pay for it now. But why are portions of the internet angry about having to buy PlayStation Plus when it is the best deal around?

komp4714d ago

Anyone who ignores the value of the games you get over the course of the membership in relation to the cost of PS+ membership is clearly a fool.

There are discounts on games whilst being a member as well.

raiden-494714d ago (Edited 4714d ago )

Yes its an extra 10% off item already discounted.

Outside_ofthe_Box4714d ago (Edited 4714d ago )

Nobody is denying the value of plus. People just have a problem paying twice to access online mode on their games. It's an issue of principle is all.

Why o why4714d ago

Not a problem for me personally as I've always been a plus subscriber but I can understand those who are annoyed. Free online multiplayer was a perk. I personally thought there were enough plus subscribers to keep a free online viable.. ar well.

The games more than make up for any cost but I'm sure yous lot get my point.

Master-H4714d ago

While it is truly a great deal, some like me prefer to have the option of getting this great deal or not while being able to play online for free regardless, why ? because my friend i have an internet connection of 512 kbps and a monthly data cap of 20 GB's a month , so i can't really benefit from Plus's deals and free games most of the time , on the ps3 it's not a problem but on ps4 it's gonna be a problem because i'd only be paying for Plus to access multiplayer portion of games i already paid for ! so i am planning on splitting the Ps plus sub fee with a friend of mine and use a mutual account, at least this way i'd be only paying 25 dollars.

I wish they make it free or at least have different type of subscriptions with different fees and features, like pay 10 or 20 dollars a year for multiplayer only (because am sure most games have their own servers or are p2p so sony are only running the servers that holds your account and maybe the servers that do the matchmaking) , or pay 50 dollars and get free games and some Gaikei features on top of it, that would be swell but one can hope :I

thechosenone4714d ago

If it means that Sony has nice pile of cash to dip into so that keeps the platform nice and healthy then I'm all for giving them $60 a year to fight the evil MS machine. :)

ShwankyShpanky4714d ago

$50 for 12 or 15 months depending when/how you buy (sometimes you can get an extra three months free with a year sub).

SilentNegotiator4714d ago (Edited 4714d ago )

It's a problem because not all of us give a crap about Driveclub, B games, or extra features. We just want to access multiplayer like we've done for free for years.

dlocsta4713d ago

Why don't any of you people every admit that the PS+ is somewhat a scam? Yes the discounts and free games are great! The discounted games are yours to keep, because they are limitted versions of the originals and the free games are ONLY FREE AS LONG AS YOUR PERSCRIPTION IS ACTIVE. As soon as it lapses or you decide no longer to pay all of your free games, ALL OF THEM, become non-playable. FOREVER! All I'm saying is stop ignoring this glaring and obvious fact. But, PS+ is nice.

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dedicatedtogamers4714d ago

It's required for online multiplayer only, and Sony has eliminated all online passes, so it's a trade-off.

But let's not forget all the games that come with PS+.

Additionally, Sony does not require PS+ for Netflix, Hulu, and even a lot of f2p games are not going to require PS+. Sony said that certain publishers can choose to give you online multiplayer without being behind the PS+ paywall. Announced so far, I think Warframe and Planetside 2 are both playable without PS+

wishingW3L4714d ago

because those 2 are F2P if not then they wouldn't be F2P.

Virtual_Reality4714d ago

3rd Party games may have online passes if they decide to add it.

1st party games won't have online passes.

soniqstylz4714d ago

There's no online pass even from 3rd party publishers

http://www.cinemablend.com/...

RioKing4714d ago (Edited 4714d ago )

^What was Jack Tretton talking about during the "Jack throws the mic" interview?

Edit: Disregard previous question :)

maniacmayhem4714d ago

But who would get a PS4 and not want Plus. It's great and all that Sony is offering Netflix, Hulu, etc, etc. But let's be honest, the multiplayer is the heart and best aspect of today's consoles.

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wastedcells4714d ago (Edited 4714d ago )

I agree its not at all, I love ps plus and will always have it regardless. It's paid for its self 10 times over with all the great free games, betas and early demos. If anything with more subscribers and the pressure of introducing pay to play multiplayer Sony will make ps plus even stronger with more freebies. I love this business model way way better then live. Sony did a fantastic job with ps plus and I think gamers will be really happy with it especially on ps4. Plus wait until they start cloud gaming.....

jmc88884714d ago

Well paying for something that used to be free is a problem. In terms of online gaming (not the service itself).

But it's a small one given the circumstances.

PS+ gives you value. I never got it for PS3, but I always saw the value you get from it.

Now you know you'll get an upgraded version for PS4, Gaikai, and those free games and other perks, you know it'll be an even better service with even more value.

But the kicker is, with all the people who will be jumping ship to PS4, they'll take their xboxlive subscription money over to PS+.

So for many users they are merely replacing one paid service for another.

That's what I'm doing. I could have re-upped in April or May, but I had a feeling this was the way it was going, and I wasn't going to pay to keep xboxlive if I wasn't buying an xbone.

NivaIis4714d ago

online on ps4 was never free, just because it was free on ps3 doesnt mean it will, or should be free, on ps4.
they will be using a conpletely different, new set of servers seperate from the current ps3 online infrastructure, ps3 online play will remain to be free.
ps4's online expeience features a whole host of new features missing from the ps3.

regarding all other issues, hey at least people will be getting more than just online play and voice chat for the subscription charge, and dont give me that 'but you get free games on xbox live gold too' sure you do but only very very recently, and only games so old they cant sell them anymore.

Conzul4714d ago

Provided Sony starts enabling all the desired features like XBL has, then the new PS+ will be worth it.

I just hope Gaikai B/C streaming is included somewhere in PS+. I don't wanna have to worry about a secondary subscription.

3-4-54714d ago

Xbox fans switching over to PS4 will be surprised to find the same price for Online, but you also get discounts on games + free games to play.

Heartnet4714d ago

Ah i remember around a year ago when every1 was using Paid Online as there num1 reason why Ps3 was > Xbox 360...

Guess tables have turned... now its not a problem at all :) so i guess then.. Xbox > Ps3 then :D

( point being that the previous point was demolished due to hypocrasy )

MRMagoo1234714d ago

i remember a year ago ppl said some sh!t and now some different ppl have said some other sh!t <---- that is basically what you are saying, if i say xbox live is sh!t and someone else says its good that doesnt make me a hypocrite, also xbox live is not even close to being the same thing as psn+ , im guessing you dont know the difference because you are probably one of those ppl that talks before thinking.

Read up on what you get from psn+ and read up what you get from xbox live, then read up on the ps4 about what you can do when you have no psn+ sub and then read up on what you can do on the xbone with no gold live sub. If you still think this is the same thing you are dumber than i thought.

And incase you didnt realise the ps4 is not the ps3 the same as the 360 is not the xbone they are different consoles.

TLDR PSN+ is by far the better service, i myself have downloaded $200 AUS in 2 days of getting my psn+ sub for $70, the math of that is in 2 days i have $130 AUS extra stuff than my $70 would have gotten me else where, and that $70 lasts me the entire year with which i will have gotten at least $500 more content from that little $70 sub

Karpetburnz4714d ago (Edited 4714d ago )

@Heartnet

Is That all you Xbox fans do these days is try and point out hypocrites?

Xbox fans use to say "Xbox Live is better because we pay for it" or "PSN is free because its crap", now Xbox fanboys are suddenly admitting online fees is a bad thing just to claim ownage, making you Xbox fans hypocrites at the same time. You can't have it both ways.

Hypocrites are annoying, but the people like you who go around crying about them are even worse.

Bowzabub4714d ago

You mean like Blu-Ray and free games with X-Box Live subscriptions? Think that through...guess PS>X-Box then under that logic.

Spontogical4714d ago

Unless there are different levels of PS+ plus membership.. what incentive does Sony get for putting on good games on the IGC now?

They could just fill it with moderate/average titles from now till the end of time, and it won't matter one bit - since everyone who wants to access online play now has to pay for it.

I think the IGC should be a separate subscription in of itself.

FamilyGuy4713d ago (Edited 4713d ago )

Misread/understood, ignore post.

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KingKelloggTheWH4714d ago

While I'd prefer it be free,I can see why they are adding it with all the streaming and other features.

MRMagoo1234714d ago

yeh electricity is free 2 if you dont count the bills you get from the company.

NYC_Gamer4714d ago (Edited 4714d ago )

I don't play enough games online to justify paying for any multiplayer service

Irishguy954714d ago

Sounds like Ps+ is for you then

Godmars2904714d ago

While MS wasn't in the right in almost putting every online service offered them but their own online shops, Sony shouldn't be getting offered sainthood for doing the same with just multiplayer.

Honestly, what online PC games besides MMOs require additional fees to access them? And of course that's not all MMOs at this point.

Arai4714d ago

FPS games, usually require server rental --> 20-40 USD per month.
If you're not the one renting then you can bet someone else is paying for it.
The so-called free-2-play games make even more money than subscription models, my point is that if something is good or worth it enough people will pay.

That's the vision Sony has, improving their service.
Will it actually be better with all the bells and whistles?...time will tell.

People can still watch Netflix and all that without Plus, game offline, play free-2-play games.

The_KELRaTH4714d ago

PC multiplayer games can be run from home servers and many were before publishers started blocking.

That aside I feel we need to know more about whats being offered when paying. Are we getting proper dedicated servers or is it still the peer to peer.

I also feel that online should have been just split into basic and premium where basic is much as is now on PS3 and premium is dedicated servers, VOIP servers etc. Most will likely opt for premium but at least it's then a choice.

ExPresident4714d ago

The only reason Sony gets any sort of slack is because PS+ is an AMAZING deal for gamers, and not a single real gamer can discount that. You get far more than your $50 worth out of the subscription service, and that alone is why I don't care that Sony is requiring + for multiplayer.

Now, the day PS+ stops being an amazing deal I'll criticize Sony for the decision, just like I criticized Microsoft for theirs.

Not to mention, unlike Microsoft, Sony doesn't put stuff you already pay for, ie Netflix and Hulu, behind the paywall.

jmc88884714d ago

They catch slack also because people won't be keeping xboxlive and will use that money for PS+.

So for millions of people who had xboxlive and used to paying for it, it won't be any extra.

In other words, 360 owners won't be bitching about paying for PS+. There is sure to be alot of them.

Heartnet4714d ago

its not that good of a deal though...

your getting games that youve determined not good enough to buy.

and tbh although the games you are recievings RRP price is above the subscription there mainly old games that dont sell anymore.. Sure u get the odd beta (litereally the best thing) but thats really it... everything else is just trash wrapped up to look pretty.

MRMagoo1234714d ago

@heartnet

I got uncharted 3 for free 2 days ago how is that an old game no one buys anymore ?

Actually just ignore all the free games its all a lie from the sony fanboys lol heartnet is just trolling i have realised that now.

ExPresident4714d ago

@Heartnet

You must not be a PS+ subscriber because Uncharted 3, Infamous 2, LBP, etc are great games, not to mention the ton of others that I've gotten, but those stand out.

Your "your getting games that youve determined not good enough to buy" statement is completely subjective. The fact remains that you get more money's worth out of the subscription than the initial cost of it.

Your later comment:
"Agreed... MS so much BS from their paid online service by SOnyz Boyz that tbh Sony should to :)"

only shows your bias. MS made you pay for apps you already pay for, ie Netflix and Hulu, and if you can't see how effed up that is then you are blind.

Karpetburnz4714d ago

Exactly right, Online fees doesn't always have to be a bad thing if its a great deal. PS+ is a much better deal than XBL, you actually do get what you pay for. And at least every media app isn't locked behind the PS+ paywall, unlike XBL which was one of my biggest complaints about the Xbox 360.

That's the difference between Sony and Microsoft, Sony is all about giving, while Microsoft is all about taking.

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Heartnet4714d ago

Agreed... MS so much BS from their paid online service by SOnyz Boyz that tbh Sony should to :)

aquamala4714d ago

don't forget these "free" games are the only reason to subscribe to ps+ right now.. once PS4 owners subscribe and the main reason they do is for the online MP, how good would these "free" games collection continue to be?

Godmars2904714d ago

Supposedly - as in rumor - the free games aren't behind the paywall.

They are in fact free despite being multiplayer. Which actually might run counter to the whole argument.

shinrock4714d ago

Yep,cause most of the PS fans on here sound like the just plan on buying the ps4 and just ride on the free stuff.none of the fanboy on this site sound like they plan to buy any retail games.

Irishguy954714d ago

This is my only worry/ Hopefully they remain as good as they are now

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FPSRUSSIA14d ago

What's Point in commenting your basicly closing down the site.

LiViNgLeGaCY14d ago

I'm surprised it's still the old site. I thought he said starting today?

Eonjay14d ago

Its like the final episode of the Sapranos. You gonna go to make a comment and when you click add th-

Profchaos14d ago

Timezone thing maybe.... RIP

darthv7214d ago

Insert the Ferris Bueller end scene... "You're still here? It's over.."

LiViNgLeGaCY14d ago

I think the only game here for me is Nine Sols. Was always interested in that game.

TheColbertinator14d ago

Glad I don't buy FIFA games anymore

Rebel_Scum14d ago

Hey now! Thats a great month.

Nacho_Z14d ago

Good month for me, I wanted that particular footy game and thought it might be due. Anyway who cares, shame about the site I'll miss the comment sections. All the best everyone.

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SimpleDad15d ago

NO, that can't be... No! I can't... Really?/s

Cacabunga15d ago

They for sure chose the worst way to deal with it

-Foxtrot14d ago

Funny considering Bruce left half way through development and now we get told there was an internal conflict with the story direction.

Makes you think…

HectixRose15d ago

I think it was good decision, if he was still alive, he would have been a mascot just like Kratos, drake and many others. These old dudes gotta die for new characters to take center stage with their own storyline. They keep dragging the emotional baggage into many sequels and eventually the story just turns into absolute shit show.

JEECE15d ago

It was ironic because people complained heavily about the story in the Uncharted games not having sufficient stakes because all the key characters always survived, despite the dangerous situations they were always in. Then ND killed a character in a more serious series and everyone lost their minds. Just shows that people don't always really want the thing they say they want.

CantThinkOfAUsername14d ago

I thought the more common complaint about Uncharted franchise was how the main cast are the good guys acting so nonchalantly while killing hundreds in cold blood (aka the dissonance between gameplay and story cutscenes). They just did it again in Part II.

Soy15d ago

Didn't have to kill him. Just have them part ways or Joel can "retire," whatever.

DarXyde14d ago

I don't think he would necessarily need to become a mascot (and besides, technically, I'd say Ellie is... So regardless, someone was going to be).

From a narrative perspective, I do think it has a similar effect to Ricky dying in Boyz N Da Hood: very likeable character, and you're really motivated to see the get back—in this case, it's more intense because it's an interactive experience. Most people hated Abby, but I get what they were after with portraying the cycle of violence and revenge—unfortunately, the game appears to want to take the side of the bad people.

But I will say that if Joel survived, it does become harder to tell an interesting story. What COULD have happened is an exploration into the rift between Joel and Ellie after the trolley dilemma events of the first game. It could have been interesting to see Abby out for revenge at the same time Ellie hated Joel.

Ashunderfire8614d ago

Sorry just had to say this lol! RICKYYYY!

Man Cuba Gooding Jr was miscast in that movie, but that part was cringey it was sad and funny at the same time man.

Ashunderfire8614d ago (Edited 14d ago )

I understand but the way they went about killing Joel, was poorly executed. Even the show of the Last of Us games tried to improved it, but it was just as bad. Well at least Joel got to know the reason why he had to die, before the death happened in the show. That part gave us the full context, but the game just let it happen with no pay off.

Joel death should have been a midway thing through the story, so we at least get to play him a little more with Ellie. Abby didn’t need to be this Hulk looking woman, but more like the show Abby which is a beater idea in my opinion.

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InUrFoxHole15d ago

The only ND game that was so disappointing to me I couldn't finish it.

pwnmaster300015d ago

Honestly as much as I loved the game, they could have just not killed him off.
I get it creator vision and all but killing a character that made you millions is just wrong imo. At least have him go down fighting.

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-Foxtrot15d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle15d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7714d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments