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The Xbox One Has No Future

BNR: It’s early. It’s very early in the life of the Xbox One- the machine hasn’t been released. Regrettably, the bold statement that it has no future is probably true.

As you may know, the Xbox One has a somewhat convoluted scheme when it comes to game ownership and what’s necessary in order to actually play the games. To begin with, it needs to connect to Microsoft’s servers once every twenty-four hours. While it’s a good thing that it doesn’t require a constant connection, what happens when Microsoft’s servers go down? I’m not talking about launch-day woes that are now expected with internet-oriented hardware and software, I’m talking about what will happen when Microsoft decides that the Xbox One is no longer a profitable venture. They’ll only keep the servers up for so long- the servers that are required to keep the Xbox One running.

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NeverEnding19894727d ago ShowReplies(3)
ThatCanadianGuy5144727d ago (Edited 4727d ago )

To come in last place two gens in a row is not a good sign.Despite having every single advantage imaginable last gen they still couldn't do it.

Now with pure media and public negative opinion, DRM scam out in the open, charging online for essentially nothing once again.I just can't see them coming through this gen.ESPECIALLY at $499.My god.

They may as well pack it up and go the way of Sega.3rd party publishing.Try to atleast recoup some of the billions they've lost off the xbox failure, 360 RROD, and Xbone's produced so far.

Jourdy2884727d ago

What's saddest is that they don't have to drive their brand into the ground- they can make money with a system that doesn't do all the horrible, nightmarish things that everybody's complaining about right now.

Trouble is, they seem to be so high on their own fumes that they don't realize how terrible their ideas are.

darthv724727d ago

as a collectable. Its controversy will lead to obscurity and it will be sought after more than all the ET cartridges in that new mexico landfill.

okay, O/T...the system will sell but not at the rate MS believes it should. It also is dependent on the type of marketing. if they convince people that this unit is the be all end all of home conveniences...it will sell.

Playstation is synonymous with gaming and gaming is generalized as being for kids (that's why nintendo is still so relevant) but the millions who grew up with playstation are outnumbered by the even more millions who arent into gaming.

So while the PS4 goes on shelves next to other gaming systems. The XB1 will go on shelves next to the media PC's or high end home A/V components as well as gaming systems.

A person walking into a Fry's or Best Buy will be sold the more expensive of the two not because its better but because the commission based sales person convinces them its better for them.

Imalwaysright4727d ago

Why would anyone want a console that it won't work in the future because the servers are shutdown?

RiPPn4727d ago (Edited 4727d ago )

First off, Best Buy doesn't pay their employees commission. Secondly, there is so little margin on consoles that they could care less which one you buy. They make money on games and accessories. And if the PS4 gets the installed base, they will get the games. If they have the games the market will push them harder. Also with Microsoft's business model having the potential of killing used games, ma and pa stores are going to push the PS4 harder, even GameStop with their partnership with Microsoft have still got to have it in the back of their mind that Microsoft's business model int he long term will kill them and will likely push the PS4 harder. Microsoft has made this next generation a huge challenge, and with a super motivated Sony, I don't think they have a chance.

andibandit4727d ago (Edited 4727d ago )

@ripnn

I have no clue what you're talking about regarding gamestop. Remeber a game can switch owner once and then has to be traded to a reseller (gamestop), to be reset......if anything gamestop is problably jumping for joy over this stupid new drm move by ms.

@dayz
Regarding that charging for online (essentially nothing) nonsense you need to watch the ms conference again and pay special attention to the part where ms is almost copying sony with the free games of psn+

mikeslemonade4727d ago

Microsoft will change their tune before launch. This i see not feasible. There's too many casual gamers that still play on SDTV with no internet connection. If X1 will sell to the critical mass meaning 40 million consoles atleast this generation it's gonna have to decrease the barrier to entry.

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Crazay4727d ago (Edited 4727d ago )

SOny is charging for online now too ....you do realize this right? Jack said it today.

How can you even disagree with this? You want to play multiplayer games on PSN? get ready to pony up. That's fact.

http://ca.ign.com/articles/...

***Edit***

Just pointint out to the gentleperson above that their statement about paying for online multiplayer experience on Xbox has now been extended to Playstation.

KillrateOmega4727d ago (Edited 4727d ago )

A negative in a sea of positives, so yeah, I'm fine with paying for online :)

And to top it all off, you only need one PS+ subscription in order to let anyone else play online on that particular console.

ThatCanadianGuy5144727d ago

Keywords being:
"charging online for essentially nothing"

As bad as paying for online is, at least it's tied to PS+

XBL is just charging to use apps that are free everywhere else - including PSN

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showtimefolks4727d ago

Crazay

I am more than happy to pay for it since they as a ompany are actual long looking out for gamers and charging us $100 less and giving us a brand new IP drive club for free with PSN-plus

So no matter how you spin E3 belongs to Sony. Nintendo barely showed something new

You know what's truly sad is the fact MS didn't need to make a entertainment box, they could have stuck to their guns and say we are for gamers but no they had to go out of heir way to screw up the Xbox brand

Watch ps4 will see Xbox one from day one and it won't even be a close competition wise, Europe is buying ps4 since its a lot less over there compare to Xbox me price

Japan is with Sony

And now American will go back to PS brand, parents will go into stores to buy Xbox one and will be told to buy ps4 since it lets you do everything Xbox one doesn't. Ps4 will get so much word to mouth advertisement which Sony doesn't have to pay for

MS screwed itself big time. Xbox 360 did so well why try to change so much?

mantisimo4727d ago

It's almost irrelevant most of us have been paying for and are very happy with psplus for months now.

Elit3Nick4727d ago

@KillrateOmega The same has been confirmed for xbox live now...

@Serious_McLovin Xbox live is 60$ a year which is 5$ a month

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Simco8764727d ago

Yet, it's sold out already on Amazon. Listen, people will buy this crap just like they buy Call of Duty every year. Let them buy and let them waste their money, you can't be mad about how someone spends their $500 dollars...it's theirs to throw into the fire.

ThatCanadianGuy5144727d ago

It's sold out because there is a low supply available.

Cueil4727d ago

about 2/3's it seems.. the supply will continue to be limited in the near future and this will generate demand and that is why they priced it higher... the yields maybe get better next year, but for now they don't want to eat that much loss

alb18994727d ago

So basically, since the EYE is an add-on, and the PS4 doesn't require an Internet connection (to leverage cloud resources), developers are stuck with the core hardware and nothing more. And since the PS4 isn't particularly powerful to begin with, that doesn't bode well for a system that is supposed to last 4 or 5 years (much less 6 or 8).

People may be reacting poorly to the X1's strategy, but there's a reason MS is requiring some of this functionality... it'll enable developers more freedom in the future, and make for a better long-term purchase.

ThatCanadianGuy5144727d ago

Haha No.The cloud nonsense MS speaks of is their scapegoat to justify Always online DRM.

The PS4 is significantly more powerful than Xbone so your comparison is moot by default.And you are completely glossing over the award winning Gaikai service that WILL future the console.

Developers have already spoken of their freedom.And all that freedom is currently on PS4.

Droidbro4727d ago

how is gaikai the future of the ps4? onlive went down the crapper, gaikai saw the writing on the wall so they let sony buy them out.

ThatCanadianGuy5144727d ago

And what is that link supposed to imply?
Online passes (maybe) from 3rd party?

And No, droid.Gaikai was always the better of the two.Gaikai had a much more stable network.There is a reason Gaikai won awards and online tanked.

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Mike134nl4727d ago

From the start Microsoft was at an disadvantage as they entered a new market dominated by the ps. They did rather well in keeping sony on their toes.

It is obvious microsoft is willing to spend the money to make their console a success. I do not care about the drm or the always online. Actually find the kinect 2 a plus point not sure why. It does has a cool aspect esspecialy with non gamer/electronic friends.

An next gen console without a persistent online connection seems rather last gen to me(though I don't care about the social integration of facebook). I find the DRM a half way solution towards the wish of microsoft towards a full digital game market.

Maybe they shouldn't have opted for a platform wide DRM, but should have left it entirely to the developers. I am pretty sure a large number of people are willing to swap discs if that would mean no DRM.

Lets just hope that the xbox one will have a future, in which they help define the next gen experience even though I will not buy it until a slim version will come to retail.

Death4727d ago

How did Xbox come in last place? Microsoft sold 75 million 360's to date compared to 24 million Xbox consoles last gen. They have also been very profitbale this generation.

The Wii sold 100 million compared to 22 million Gamecubes and practically printed money as the went.

The PS3 has sold approx 75 million consoles compared to 150 milliion last gen and well over 100 million the gen before. Of the 200 million consoles sold last gen, Sony owned 75% of them. What are they currently holding? Maybe 30% of the market. They lost45% in market share and have sold half as many consoles this gen. What did they win?

The Wii "won" in both overall sales and in market growth.

The PS3 outsold the Xbox 360 to date but lost an incredible amount of marketshare and revenue.

The 360 came in third in sales overall while increasing marketshare from 13% to 30% and a tremendous increase in revenue selling 3 times as many consoles as last gen.

Each company measures success against themselves and on an annual basis. Shareholders don't care who won in overall sales, they look to see how their investments compare year over year. If you had money in Sony stock, you didn't win and their performance was horrible at best. For the kids playing the sales game at home, get yourself a cookie and pat yourself on the back if you perceive your team won by losing.

mmccarthy44727d ago

@mrmarx what an informative and intelligent rebuttal

Hello_World4727d ago

Seriously. Microsoft is fucking stoned.

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ricochetmg4727d ago

I got a feeling they will remove DRM and stay a valid competitor. They should do it now. Save the headache.

Rusty5154727d ago

It's too late. That's basically what the xbone revolves around...Online.

s8anicslayer4727d ago

They can't because it's in the systems architecture, and if they were to do it it would push the release back considerably.

Cueil4727d ago

it's a piece of software that can and will most likely be changed and/or removed completely...

RiPPn4727d ago

Sure remove the software DRM and let the console become a free for all on piracy. Brilliant! I do agree this would sell consoles though.

s8anicslayer4727d ago (Edited 4727d ago )

But they're not and here it is http://n4g.com/news/1278820... straight from the horses mouth.

Rockstar4727d ago

If they did this I would consider buying 1. Some of the games they showed did look good.

tuglu_pati4727d ago

At all you guys saying they can't. You know all this is posible through software. Now will they be willing to do it is the question?

devwan4727d ago

Sorry, but the system requires installs. They're not suddenly going to let you install and lend your copy for your friend to install and his friend and so on... get real. s8anicslayer is right, it's too late now, the system is designed this way and it cannot be gotten around via some magic software "fix".

Death4727d ago

You will see PS4 games with the same DRM long before a removal of DRM. PC's have been going this route for sometime and the PC game market is doing quite well. Steam has become a great service with it's digital downloads and DRM. Last I checked I couldn't trade in any games I purchased from Steam. DRM to this extent is new to consoles, but not new to gaming. It's the succession of gaming thanks mostly to piracy and used game sales costing billions annually. Developers need revenue if they are expected to keep making more complex games. We can't have it all and pay very little for it.

DogtagDuke19924727d ago

Xbox, Microsoft, my friends...you need to understand that your intentions to create the perfect gaming experience is falling short. I plead to you with every ounce of will in my being that you MUST retract your claims and policies regarding DRM, Always Online, and Used Games before it is too late. I respect the Xbox more than any other gaming console I have owned. I love the community and I love the games. E3 2013 was amazing in regard to your game lineup...I'm very pleased. I very much believe that you need to focus on appealing to your fanbase. This means dissolving your intentions of doing what I listed above. YOU WILL NOT LOOK WEAK IF YOU CHOOSE TO CHANGE YOUR POLICIES. If you apologize to the consumers and understand that your intentions are not appropriate for the time being, they will get on board with you if you reach out to them and deliver what we all are used to in terms of games, community, and freedom to play how we want to, then you can steal this generation from Sony! I want the best for this console and I am optimistic for what it has to offer the next generation. However, with your current policies in play that restrict our freedom as gamers, you will see negative results across the board. Please listen to us fans! We want to see you guys on top, leading the way in innovation and entertainment. We need you guys to do what is right! Please copy this comment/ like this comment. GET MICROSOFT TO LISTEN TO US. SHARE THIS MESSAGE TO SHOW YOUR PASSION AS AN XBOX GAMER. We want to win this generation...and with your help, Microsoft, we can easily do so...all you have to do is listen to the fans. -XB4LIFE-

mantisimo4727d ago

Aww bless you dog tag I hope they listen but somehow think its too late.

MasterofMagnetism4727d ago

Sorry bro cant help you out there.

Rip-Ridah4727d ago (Edited 4727d ago )

That's some passion right there. Nothing wrong with that. Well, at least they acknowledged listening to the fans for this E3 and introduced Killer Instinct and other games finally. Most previous shows for the Xbox have been abysmal imo. While I wholeheartedly gave the reveal a 1.5-2/10, I gave their E3 2013 a decent 7-7.5/10.

Unfortunately for u and many others, Microsoft is all about profit margins. I dont think that they see it as being financially feasible to go back to the drawing board. They see the loss of a certain demographic as the gain of another. (ie Lose some gamers, gain some sports enthusiasts/tv buffs.) I also agree that they have made the wrong decision, but what the hell do I know? I'm just a thousandaire family man trying to illustrate to a multibillion dollar company sensible business sense. Go figure...

mrmarx4727d ago

this guy is the reason microsoft was so confident to rape it's customers this gen. lmao what a nut

mmccarthy44727d ago

DRM is nothing new it's been on pcs for years. How many pc gamers do you see complaining that their freedoms are gone. People really need to chill.

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pompombrum4727d ago

Nah they will stick to their DRM guns but I wouldn't be surprised if they sucked it up and took away Kinect being mandatory and releasing at launch a kinect free version of the console and probably even undercut the ps4.. that would be the most logical play for Microsoft if they've finally woken up from their own deluded awesome bubble.

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AngelicIceDiamond4727d ago

"The Xbox One has no future."

I wouldn't go that far now.

finbars754727d ago

Im not to sure about that.If you watched gametrailers about 2 hours ago you would have seen MS main guy there being interviewed by Geoff Keighly and was asked about the always online problem everyone is complaining about especially people over seas ect and his comment was then dont buy the Xboxone and keep playing your xbox360.If you dont like what we ar doing then this is the option you have.So basically your trying to tell me that MS isnt done?Your out of dam mind.They think what they are doing is right and there standing by it.So this just makes my decision and others im sure alot easier.What a shit thing to say especially those defending your country and mine.Douchebags.

Droidbro4727d ago

yup x1 haz no future cuz of the gametrailers interview. why arent you a consultant for microsoft?

Rip-Ridah4727d ago

Are you serious? It doesn't surprise me that they feel this way; however, I didn't think they'd just come out and say it. I honestly think that Sony's trolling may have truly ruffled some feathers. The public & media have responded so well to Sony and the E3 (lets be frank here) ass whoopin they put on Microsoft that Microsoft is like "Deal with it!" Sad time to be a die hard Xbox supporter right now.

finbars754726d ago (Edited 4726d ago )

Droidanomiz go watch the interview.He cleary said if they dont have a proper internet connection or none at all then stick with your xbox360,then Geoff keighley said what your message is to not buy xboxone and the MS kind of shyed away from the comment with basically saying this is how the xboxone functions with an internet connection.Bceause I have nothing better to do then make shit up.Go find the interview wont be hard.Surprised that video isnt on n4g since it was shocking that he made that so clear.“"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity; it’s called Xbox 360,” said Mattrick.IGN had this on there website this morning with that interview.Go look it up.It was real douchey thing for Mattricks to say that.

Brazz4727d ago (Edited 4727d ago )

USA market, unfortunately or fortunately, will keep X-1 alive...
Wii U will be ok, i think nintendo will be good this gen, and will have good sales. I will exclude WiiU from this equation.
X-1 vs PS4
I can see X-1 and PS4 at 50/50 USA...
Outside USA > I can see dire situations for Microsoft! Things like 80/20, or even 90/10, in Ps4 favor.

T24727d ago

I think your predictions are accurate, but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say 60/40 advantage for PS4 in North America and UK, and Xbone decimated in all other regions, that EU price is terrible, and Japan they should just give up. probably cost more to translate games than the return on investment.

pompombrum4727d ago

@joecanada

I've been hearing from various news sources that Xbox isn't even scheduled to release in Japan. They said it will be coming to selected Asian countries sometime in 2014 and Japan wasn't mentioned.

Brazz4727d ago (Edited 4727d ago )

correct...
http://www.sankakucomplex.c...

If China lift their market barrier Ms will regreat this decision very deeply...

Imalwaysright4727d ago

Well technically it doesn't. It dies as soon as MS shuts down their servers.

tkato4727d ago

Wow I didn't know you could see the future, seriously, i'm gonna replace my x360 with a ps4, but these assumptions people make up are absurd, the xbone will never turn off, and if it will they will just patch the drm out, it's not that big of a deal.

If anything the PS4 is superior to being the best console right now, 4 years down the road things may look different.

GamersHeaven4727d ago (Edited 4727d ago )

Xbox is the new Sega that's for sure when it comes to sales Sega was a better gaming company.

Droidbro4727d ago

yeah youre right xbox is still in the console market

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio21d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing21d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9221d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit21d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing21d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9221d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay23d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn224d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn223d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown23d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay23d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay23d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac23d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger24d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300023d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde23d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde23d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7525d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_22d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.