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Microsoft Should Not Have Dismissed Backwards Compatibility

Backwards compatibility is more important than ever and whilst you may not agree now by the end of this article hopefully you will.

You may not play your old video games but there are loads of reasons to keep BC in, from future profits to the death of communities. Read more to find out why it is more important than you or Microsoft realise.

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Hellsvacancy4727d ago (Edited 4727d ago )

It is bit of a screw you to 360 owners, isnt the XBOne using the same "kinda" (easy to develop for) architecture as the 360? I understand now why the PS3 doesnt have bc with older PS2 games because of the complicated (harder to develop for) Cell processor, again with the PS4, same thing, the architectures totally different, I kinda understand why it doesnt have bc with PS3 games

I thought MS games are made the same way PC games are made, easier, meaning it wouldnt take much effort to have these 360 games running on Microsofts new system

Im not going to pretend that I fully understand what im talking about, but im right aint I?

Blackdeath_6634727d ago (Edited 4727d ago )

i think its the same situation for the 360 and XBone as it is for the ps3 and ps4 it just wasn't possible without having to incorporate parts from the old console into the new one increasing cost and everything else. its worse for XBone because it being sold to gamers as an "all-in-one" system and the "hub of your livingroom entertainment" apart from controlling your TV it doesn't appear that the XBone can control anything else. if it can't control the 360 then its not really an all-in-one system is it? what about people that have other gaming consoles in their livingroom (like wiiU and ps4) can it control those too? what if you have a smart tv already with gesture control can you navigate menus in your smart tv using the xbone?

loulou4727d ago

it is no worse for xbox as it is for the playstation. sony are touting the ps4 as being all about games. just not ps3 games.

anyway, i aint buying neither next gen console for bc. i will keep my ps360 for the time being

we will see what both companies cloud services offer us.

Blackdeath_6634727d ago (Edited 4727d ago )

@loulou
sony have spoken about making ps3,p2,p1 games available via gaikai now i know none of that is actually happening at the moment and that they are working towards that, there is still a possibility of playing your ps3 games on a ps4 albeit with a likely fee (and that by the time that is possible it will probably be irrelevant). but i guess your right no BS for either

Outside_ofthe_Box4727d ago

I'm tired of repeating myself. Here is the reason why XB1 and PS4 have no BC:

http://n4g.com/news/1269498...

Yodagamer4727d ago

No the original xbox and the xbox 360 uses power pc architecture and the xbox one uses a x86. It's still easy to develop for just different coding. Just because consoles are easy to develop for doesn't make them compatible.

darthv724727d ago

xbox was x86 designed. It used the intel 733mhz cpu and nvidia gpu.

Yodagamer4727d ago (Edited 4727d ago )

sorry that was my mistake i thought I read somewhere that microsoft stated that as the reason for the original xbox not being supported. If it was my guess microsoft said it's time to move on regarding the orignal xbox, which is a shame considering it was my favorite xbox thus far and the emulation on the 360 was shoddy sometimes. @timotim It's the same as x86-64, x64 is just another name for it.

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matgrowcott4727d ago

The key word is effort. It's certainly more likely to get 360 BC than PS3, but how easy it would be to do and the cost effectiveness of doing it is another question entirely.

I saw Game were selling refurbished Xbox 360s without a hard drive today, at £20. There's just no way for Microsoft to compete with that for the Xbox One, so they won't.

dumahim4727d ago

No. The 360 used a PowerPC just like the PS3 did. Now both switched to x86.

Tyre4727d ago (Edited 4727d ago )

@ Dumahim Your right. XBone & PS4 are both x86. Those diagreeing have no clue what they are diagreeing about. XB360 & PS3 had IBM Power PC architecture @Wikkid666 No your wrong PS3 Cell is also a IBM Power PC... in fact the Xbox 360 Chipset was based on the PS3 Cell and was developed later than the PS3 Cell. The PS3 & The Xbox360 were both developed by the same lead designer at IBM.

famoussasjohn4727d ago

No. It's using a completely different architecture. x86 is for the PS4 and Xbox One, both which are manufactured from AMD. The 360 architecture was from IBM which will not allow for backwards compatibility to be offered.

andrewsqual4727d ago

It is most certainly a "big deal" in Xbox's case as it was the only thing to stop people from jumping ship. I have friends who are bailing out of getting a Xbone because of this very fact. Mostly from the Arcade games they purchased over the years. They are keeping their 360s but not even considering the Xbone. I have smart friends.

ShaunCameron4727d ago

But you and your friends are just a dozen out of 80 000 000. In the grand scheme of things, XBOne not having BC really isn't a big deal and certainly isn't gonna be.

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mandf4727d ago

Media people have a lack of understanding of hardware. Games are coded to have AI, aliasing, particle effects ect etc run off different cores spus. A game is set up and optimised for the hardware that it's run on. You can't just plug code off a disc and hope it runs and new hardware. Things have to be recoded to run on new hardware setups. Which costs money.

strigoi8144727d ago

im still wondering about that HDMI in where you have to connect your cable box..i think they can plug the 360 there and ask the kinect to play my 360..well im imagining too much

matgrowcott4727d ago

That would actually be a pretty nice way of handling things. I'm guessing they won't do it (because they're focussing on having that for cable and asking people to constantly switch HDMI directly on the console would seem like a hassle), but they should.

NaAsAr4727d ago

i think we would still have to say "xbox, play tv" then it will switch to that designated hdmi port for the cable tv tuner. but instead it will be our x360 plugged in.

that would be weird. :(

dumahim4727d ago

What would be the point? How is it any different than just using the 360 normally?

strigoi8144727d ago

Well its gonna be same thing using cable normally right..but if they can do that the xboxone would act as a hdmi adapter to display 360 games without the hassle of connecting it again to your TV hdmi..

dumahim4727d ago

Oh, as a passthrough to save an HDMI port on the TV? Yeah, that'd be beneficial. Don't see why that wouldn't work. Might cause a slight delay though.

falviousuk4727d ago

Another rubbish article being thrown up to attack the xbox one, why are there no articles regarding the PS4 and the fact you cant play your older games on it either, that is unless you re-buy them and stream them through GAIKIA, a service that requires a fast stable internet connection, something that , again, the xbox one is being attacked from supposedly requiring.

However im forgetting this is the home of the Sony troll that posts up any rubbish article, and spins anything for a positive for SONY and into a negative for the Xbox even when they have similarities.

theWB274727d ago

I applaud you good sir/ma'am

Dno4727d ago (Edited 4727d ago )

yup its just the sony trolls NOT THE ENITRE FREAKING WORLD........

Your just as crazy as the trolls here.

SexyGamerDude4727d ago

I don't know where you've been. There have been playing plenty of people on here that has expressed their disappointment with the PS4 not being backwards compatible.

Also, needing internet to use Gaika and having to be connected to the Internet every 24 hours is completely different.

dumahim4727d ago

There were plenty of articles about it. Back in Feb/March after the reveal.

jcnba284727d ago

So true and these fanboys actually believe the entire ps3 library will be available through gaikai.

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blackberty4727d ago (Edited 4727d ago )

lol people forget that ps4 doesnt have backwards compat either.

it shouldnt even be an issue. if you wanna play your current xbox 360/ps3 games then use the PS3 or Xbox 360.

Minato-Namikaze4727d ago

Not in the traditioanal sense. But since Gaikai allows you to play any PS1, 2 or 3 game it kinda does. All that is left to wonder is if whether or not people who already own these games will have to pay again or will you somehow be able get gaikai to recognize that you already own the game.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio13d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing13d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9213d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit13d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing13d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9213d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay15d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn215d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn215d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown15d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay15d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay15d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac14d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger15d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300015d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde15d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde15d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7516d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_14d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.