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Game Scoop: Has Microsoft Made a Huge Mistake?

IGN - People seem to think so, but here's why we shouldn't panic.

SpinalRemains4742d ago

No.

They have made a monumental, death inducing mistake.

JokesOnYou4741d ago

Gamers will speak with their wallets, I predict X1 is definitely going to be the #1 selling next gen console in the US.

Hicken4741d ago

How many non-gamers will just be yapping away with no clue what they're saying? Cuz that's the only way that console sees anything like impressive sales.

Hopefully, there aren't more than a handful of fanboys like yourself, JokesOnYou, who are so indoctrinated they're actually EAGER to get the XBOne even knowing how ridiculous an idea that is.

MikeMyers4741d ago

"How many non-gamers will just be yapping away with no clue what they're saying? Cuz that's the only way that console sees anything like impressive sales."

You said the same thing about the Xbox 360. We don't even know half the story about the Xbox One, how used games will work, what games will be offered, price, how the cloud will play a role, how the much more powerful Kinect will play in games and so on. If you're already determined to hate the system why continue to keep going into topics about it other than to instigate conflict with those who may be interested in it?

"Hopefully, there aren't more than a handful of fanboys like yourself, JokesOnYou, who are so indoctrinated they're actually EAGER to get the XBOne even knowing how ridiculous an idea that is."

Why is it ridiculous to enjoy games like Forza? Why is it ridiculous to want to see what Kinect 2 can offer? Why is it ridiculous to not want an entertainment box that can go from movies, to games to music, to games, to watching TV, to games, all very quickly and very easily without having to sign-out? Why is it ridiculous to want to see how those 300,000 servers will play out which could mean very stable games online and having a living breathable world even for single player games? Why are people acting ridiculous over the used games situation when it's actually far more lenient than Steam which is loved by millions?

You know what's ridiculous, people trying way to hard to make sure the Xbox brand is inferior and doing that for years and years.

JokesOnYou4741d ago (Edited 4741d ago )

Great post MikeMyers

I don't even take people like Hicken seriously he's not a gamer, he's a sony mouthpiece trying to push his agenda on everyone, I have my gripes with both and I'm just not interested in the wii-u at all but I'd rather be the type who follows, gives opinions and recommendations on what I DO LIKE rather than the type that doesn't want people to enjoy a certain kind of games because I don't.= This is a major differentiator where I can tell who's about games and who's ONLY about winning this stupid fictional war, of course we all as gamers have valid opinions both negatively and positively about every console....but Hicken and his kind basicly flip flops on every issue, hates micro used game DRM but online passes are soooo different.

Its perfectly normal not like something that a particular brand is doing an of course you should give your opinion, but when your whole history turns into nothing more than blind love for one, blind hate for another with the same old rants over and over again it makes you just a BS flip flop politician with talking points.

Ironically his behavior displays a lot more indoctrination than mine, normal people do as I do they, they associate with those of similar interest and have general conversation about the pro's and con's, indoctrinated foot soldiers seek out and attack anyone who doesn't follow their beliefs.

MikeMyers4741d ago (Edited 4741d ago )

@JokesOnYou,

What will be interesting is after E3 and all those people who say it's about the games don't talk about the games and try and shift the focus on something else. At that point it's probably best for them to just ignore the system all together but what is really going on is some just want it to fail regardless of the games.

Microsoft will never win these people over and quite frankly, that's ok. You continue to see the pessimism shift. Kinect wasn't very accurate, it could see very well in low-light conditions, it could only track 2 people, the latency held it back. All very good points but now they seemed to have rectify that and where do the pessimism people go to next? It has to be connected, they are spying on us. No talk at all about how more advanced it is.

The Xbox One may very well be making a mistake having Kinect in every system, alienating people who are not connected, trying to control used games. But that is where the market will decide. I imagine when the original Xbox required broadband in a world dominated by dial-up it too caused controversy. I imagine when Valve announced Steam it caused quite a bit of controversy and bye-bye to physical copies. Some people just love to over-dramatize the situation and act like the world is ending all the time. While others will advocate for their preferred company while bashing the competition for years and years. They actually seem to get more enjoyment doing that than actually enjoying the system they keep saying is so much better.

It really is weird how much effort and extreme some get, all over videogames.

"they associate with those of similar interest and have general conversation about the pro's and con's"

Some people don't want to focus on the pro's and instead consume themselves with the cons. They are not interested in having a balanced approach and discussing things in a mature manner. It's more about attention and causing conflict.

You could talk about how great Kinect 2 is and how it could finally fill the potential the original should while still having concerns about privacy. You could talk about how Kinect could be applied to games and make them interesting but also be concerned about gimmicks and where the controller would work better. That's how you have conversations instead of coming into articles and saying they are doing this wrong, that sucks, anyone who supports this is stupid. They are not here to contribute but to be a cancer.

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thechosenone4742d ago (Edited 4742d ago )

"I don't look toward MS to provide the games for me, 3rd parties will do that"

WTF.. a couple of years ago it was all about exclusives and who had the better lineup but now it's like who cares? What the hell has happened to the xbox crowed.

Huge mistake on MS part and we'll see how bad this holiday season.

showtimefolks4742d ago

its the american crowd who thinks like that, its the frat boy console where you want to buy shooters. That's why xbox never did any damage in japan and that's why ps3 did so well in Europe.

exclusives matter and MS will learn that the hardway, i am really giving them the benefit of the doubt when they said they had 8 new Ip's and 15 exclusives in the 1st year

so E3 better be strong

gaming journalists are idiots and some of them are the biggest fanboys

http://www.gametrailers.com...

watch this, the guy all the way to the end said point blank he is a xbox fanboy and he loved what MS showed on may 21st and he only cares about 3rd party games

idiots i tell you idiots

GamersRulz4742d ago

The point flew over whole IGN staff. Gamers angry at X1 because the hardware is hindered by the focus on the entertainment aspects of the device (only 5 gig dedicated to games).

Veneno4742d ago

Why Is the media defending Microsoft so damn much? If Sony and MS switched positions right now we would not see all these "wait and see what our master will bless us with" type of defense articles. It's pathetic.

SALT4742d ago

im an australian gamer..loved PS1! some of all time fave games were that gen console as was massive leap in new gaming IPs/direction thru CD capacity for consoles but made change to OG xbox in 2002/3 and havent looked back staying on XBL purchasing a 360 over last 7yrs and would now consider myself a fanboy. My decision last gen was about online service, growth of western developed content being far greater than the kiddy jap/anime influenced PSN styles and the grubby little 6 axis controllers. Played both COD and BF comp for many top teams in Australia and US/UK in these years and built the local Battlefield competitive scene from basic humble beginnings for BF3 to success - My major interest is BF4 and playing Frostbite 2 engine with decent player counts on next gen console. Its the #1 game engine in the world its a launch title THAT TO ME WILL MAKE ME UPGRADE MY GAMING SYSTEM...its been a long 7yrs in this gen and DICE really hammered that home with the decision to completely re build their own gaming engine from scratch back in 2007. Finally delivering on promises/expectations with the brilliant BF3 that to me showed amazing progress by a developer and studio at the top of their game. Nothing screamed being held back by hardware limitations of the current gen as effectively as seeing BF3 on a high end PC and the allure/promise of what we are about to embark on with BF4 and the next consoles.

The XBOX ONE is an impressive unit but I dont care about TV voice recognition Kinnect or 2nd hand market. I understand what they tried to achieve/direction for XBL service and innovation tools OS with value adds to make a more complete entertainment experience...it will be smooth as a babys arse its a nice machine, and i love the XBL service but when you read up that KILLZONE for launch is already tapping into 3gb and the XBOXONE will only have access to 5gb out of its 8gb ram allocated for its entire life on this gen then surely by years 3, 4 and beyond devs on PS4 will be delivering games exponentially better in every way whilst MS will be holding gamers and 3rd party devs back - ALAN KURTZ from DICE has already said this gen will be SONY thats pretty compelling when you work for a company that has openly declared to both MS/Sony last year that "DICE WANT AS MUCH AS THEY CAN GET THEIR HANDS ON COS WE WILL USE IT"

JokesOnYou4741d ago (Edited 4741d ago )

1st comment, aaahh another long time xboxfanboy, and of course you know how the ram is allocated for games because you heard it on the internet....so now you've suddenly had an empiheny even prior to seeing the goods at E3 which is just days from now. hmmm so now of course as a longtime xboxfanboy you already know ps4 is the way to go...OK sure. Thanks nasim, I appreciate the your insight but I'll take your 1st post with a grain of SALT.

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-Foxtrot26d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle26d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7726d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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Relientk7731d ago

I remember playing this back in the day on PS2. What a sick game!

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Outside_ofthe_Box32d ago (Edited 32d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster300032d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv7231d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit31d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania32d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit31d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot0731d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr32d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box31d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr31d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit31d ago (Edited 31d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire9531d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv7231d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit31d ago (Edited 31d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

--Onilink--31d ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box31d ago (Edited 31d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv7231d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket31d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm31d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde31d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster9231d ago (Edited 31d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_32d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted32d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania31d ago (Edited 31d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit31d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster9231d ago (Edited 31d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT32d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers32d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz14931d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot0731d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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