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Why it's not looking good for the 8th console generation

Rival Tide Contributor Richard Wood's thoughts on the three major consoles that make up the 8th console generation. Based on what has been shown so far, people are less than excited about future prospects. Wood discusses the three consoles and why none of them inspire confidence in him.

sway_z4745d ago (Edited 4745d ago )

Oh I get it...MS messed up their reveal, now all of gaming is going to hell? ...so if it's bad for MS it's bad for everybody??

Who told you MS were the pioneers?

xamtheking4745d ago

Since Microsoft fucked up, there is a slight chance Sony might too.
Nintendo isn't big enough to fail

resi54745d ago

nintendo is huge possibly bigger than both sony and ms

MikeMyers4745d ago

That's not what the article said. It said while Sony is trying to correct issues like long load times they didn't really show anything revolutionary. It's the emperors new clothes. More of the same. They also showed a real lack of new ip's plus they too are not being fully revealing about DRM and used games.

Microsoft had a bad event and they are making used games a sticking point as well.

The Wii U is failing to get consumer interest and 3rd party support seems to be getting worse.

So yeah, if you break it down this gen could get ugly. Maybe we need another crash in the industry. Things have gotten out of control with budgets spiraling out of control with DLC and adding multiplayer to everything to pick up the tab.

pixelsword4745d ago (Edited 4745d ago )

Even if a crash isn't needed, they way Hardware and software companies are driving 160mph into a brick wall, it will happen anyways.

Forget Sony until DRM is clearly defined. I'm not giving a single thought about getting a day-one not to either console.

And that's probably why neither company's telling anyone anything: they probably want to see how oppressive the other one will be so they can make adjustments on each other's slimy tactics.

The way things are going, I'm gearing up to get my PC back into gaming shape.

I'm also rooting for the SteamBox, hopefully Valve won't be as stupid as Sony/Microsoft as to restrict something you bought with your own hard-earned money.

If Nintendo can get some big next-gen games on there, I would consider them as a secondary console, even if to expand the range of exclusive games I own. I was looking forward to ZombiU until I heard of all of the problems... Still waiting for the big one to fully convince me.

Software companies are the same way.

They are at the root of all of this.

They basically want to kill the used games market by turning a game into a controlled substance.

If they want people to keep their games, make the games WORTH keeping.

First they charge for DLC
Then they charge for other "perks"
While making buggier and buggier games
Not putting the polish into a game that would make you want to keep it, then having the gall to whine when a consumer wants to return their overcharged, under-developed, incomplete, waste of money they want to call a game.

I made a decision that I would hardly ever, if ever buy DLC for any game ever. Because of devs making such crappy games, I haven't bought a game day-one since Gears of War 1 because I have to wait until I hear news about a game being broken and if... get that, IF a developer will fix it.

And it's not just 3rd party games.

Killzone 3 has several things that people have been complaining about for months, if not years (turrets blocking bridges coming down on one stage of ops, a spot that gives someone a clean shot to someone setting a charge while making him VERY hard to shoot and there's some other things that are totally wrong too).

That's why hackers and jailbreakers are needed; for the trouble they sometimes cause, they actually preform an overall better service to the common consumer than the original corporations would.

MikeMyers4745d ago

"The way things are going, I'm gearing up to get my PC back into gaming shape.

I'm also rooting for the SteamBox, hopefully Valve won't be as stupid as Sony/Microsoft as to restrict something you bought with your own hard-earned money."

You just contradicted yourself. Steam is about DRM since you can't sell Steam games can you? I do agree that the PC platform is a better ecosystem to support. The problem is most of the marketing goes to consoles, not the PC.

pixelsword4745d ago (Edited 4745d ago )

The SteamBox is a console.

Try to keep up... Just kidding. :)

I know what you're talking about, but how they handle the console may be different than how they handle their PC-online presence.

If they do restrict their SteamBox, then it's on the outs with me; plain and simple.

There are also plenty of PC games that play like the days of old, and those are the ones I'll support if I gotta.

If we don't send them a message of our outrage, we're sending them a message of our compliance.

rainslacker4745d ago

Lack of new IP's? They announced 2 at their reveal. They also have the most new IP's coming out this year for the PS3 of all the console makers combined. I don't think lack of exclusives or new IP's is a problem with Sony.

As far as DRM, Sony said it won't require internet connection at all. Used games I can kind of agree with, however Sony's responses did lean more towards them allowing used games. The only thing troubling was they were leaving it up to publishers. If it's up to publishers then I can just avoid those publishers.

MS stating they will announce more later doesn't mean much once you let the cat out of the bag though. Just means that we don't know how they'll implement it, but we do know they will implement something.

medman4745d ago

MikeMyers is seemingly yet another individual that doesn't understand that a reveal event is not the time or place to lay all of your cards on the table. Sony's press conference was good, Microsoft's was not about gaming so I don't even rate it. We will know more about both after E3. Can't wait.

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medman4745d ago

These so-called writers make me laugh. The global economy is in a downturn and they somehow expect gaming to be immune to it? Is gaming any different than any other consumerable item that faces difficulties when the markets suffer? C'mon people. Gaming is a form of entertainment that millions of people enjoy. Downturns are a part of the system, it happens. That does not mean gaming is dying, much like it does not mean the automobile is dying when gas prices go up. People adjust their intake based on their own economic circumstances.

Cam9774745d ago

Exactly, Sony and Nintendo are fine - it's MS in danger.

ghostrider324745d ago

5th and 6th Gen >>>> your favorite Gen.

On topic, just because MS fcked up doesn't mean everything is at risk. Some journalists should be forced to play Russian Roulette.

Gaming4Ever4745d ago

PS4 is looking very strong in most aspects, and hopefully E3 will give it that extra push.

Wii U can become more desirable in a matter of weeks, (Kart, Smash, Mario 128, plus surprises). Especially now that the OS has been significantly improved.

Xbox One, however: Horrible design, fees for second hand games, no backwards compatibility, internet check required every 24 hours, no self-publishing for devs. That's a lot to reverse.

medman4745d ago (Edited 4745d ago )

You didn't mention the best part, which is the inevitable price increase for your Xbox live subscription. And more ad bombardment. You have to laugh. Or cry. You decide. Me, I've already decided. I've decided that Microsoft's insistence on reaching into my pockets to steal money while not delivering any games I want late in this console cycle is unacceptable. My PS3 gets all of my gaming time right now, and I will not be renewing my live subscription. PsPlus kicks it's ass. PS4 will be purchased day one, and unless Microsoft changes it's fee structure for live or offers more like Sony does, and delivers exclusives that are not Halo or Gears of War, Xbox one will never see the inside of my home.

Yodagamer4745d ago (Edited 4745d ago )

I called this months ago this gen, for me, will be pc, ps4, and Wii u for me. Microsoft went the route everyone knew they were going and feared they were going. indies have been attracted to all three of the above and I can't wait to see their games.

stragomccloud4745d ago

That's fine combination good sir.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio21d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing21d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9221d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit21d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing21d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9221d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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(For Southeast Asia) New Price Changes for PS5, PS5 Pro, and PlayStation Portal remote player

For Southeast Asia, new price changes.

Prices effective starting May 1st, 2026.

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BeHunted23d ago

Looks like PlayStation took a hit with Marathon and is now quietly adjusting prices worldwide to recover the losses

andy8523d ago

Lets be honest raising prices doesn't do that when no one's buying it. I imagine the profit it greater selling 10 times more at a lower price

Pergele23d ago

Whatever you say buddy, let's all wear the tinfoil hats.

IceKoldKilla23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

LMFAO Your comment alone says a lot more about you than anything else. When has one game not selling 10 million copies made a company raise the prices of their console? Then Xbox would be costing $5000 by now lol. You remind of the crazy drug addicts on the street rambling on about conspiracies. xD You sure you don't need a hug, buddy?

ChunkyMonk23d ago

One game that Sony payed $200 million for. lol
Also, you sure were quick to get triggered. Maybe your the one who needs a hug?

Eonjay23d ago

If nothing else, we should be united against the real issue here. AI and unnecessary tariffs that are effecting all gamers.

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Athlon10123d ago (Edited 23d ago )

The price increases are due to the RAM demand associated with AI and the US-Iran war. You can look to any business news website and local news to see that. Heck, even the 2026 Asus Zenbook Duo I've been eyeing has faced delays and has had a price increase of $400; that laptop has two specs. Asus is doing a staggered release with per-orders for the lower spec now and shipping in May and pre-orders for the higher spec that I'm eyeing starting in June. Basically, all computer manufactures are affected. It'll most likely start affecting smart phones too if it hasn't already. I can't remember the last time any major console maker (Nintendo, Sony, Sega, etc) increased the price of their console mid cycle outside of Microsoft just to make more profit.

S2Killinit23d ago

Its not the war. Its the RAM issue.

jznrpg22d ago

War is causing gas prices to rise. Transport of everything requires gas so the prices of those items go up as well. So it does have an impact

Athlon10122d ago (Edited 22d ago )

The blockage of the Straight of Hormuz due to the US-Iran war has affected raw components used in semi-conductor manufacturing such as bromine, aluminum, and helium. Iran had attacked the liquified natural gas (LNG) plant in Qatar which is a large producer (1/3 globally) of helium which is used in semiconductor etching. So it's the both the war and the RAM crises.

badz14923d ago

Oh no...should I get the Pro now before the price increase?

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay23d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn223d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn223d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown23d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay23d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay23d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac22d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger23d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300023d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde23d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde22d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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