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Devs express disappointment with Xbox One over Twitter

Microsoft's Matt Booty affirmed earlier today that digital publishing policies on Xbox One would be no different than they were on Xbox 360. Any hope that Microsoft would right the ship that has inconvenienced a good number of former XBLA devs went down the drain after we learned that indies still won't be able to self-publish their wares. Never mind that just about every other viable platform gives them flexible options, because Microsoft is having none of it.

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Qrphe4737d ago

The lack of self-publishing is really shocking. A year ago, I was expecting Microsoft to try to turn the system more open like the Windows OS's since they were integrating Win8 in some way or the other; it's the total opposite of what I expected.

Snookies124737d ago

I had some high hopes for the Xbox One... Maybe this is the wake up call MS needs though. If not, they're going to find themselves in a hole they can't get out of.

I_am_Batman4737d ago

Same here. I wonder if the wake up call is too late for them though. The dev reactions are the exact opposite of the ones for the ps4. Microsoft has a lot of work to do if they want to turn it around (if that is even possible at this state).

kneon4737d ago

Not necessarily, apart from the weaker hardware almost all other issues are software and business related and so can potentially still be fixed.

MikeMyers4737d ago (Edited 4737d ago )

Microsoft dropped the ball on indies, especially when you have someone like Tim Schafer (one of the most likeable people around) saying boo.

Sony should keep advertising how well they work with them.

What's sad is it looks like Microsoft is treating indies like they do with big franchises, wanting to only support indie games they think can sell well. That's not the attitude that will help them.

BitbyDeath4737d ago

MS seem to have the same problem with the OS market as well.

Win95 - Good
Win98 - Bad
Win2000 - Good
WinME - Bad
Xp - Good
Vista - Bad
Win7 - Good
Win8 - Bad

Xbox - Bad
360 - Good
XbO - Bad

Maybe Xbox TWO will do better

HappyGaming4737d ago

@BitbyDeath You forgot Windows 99, 98 was good for its time :P

I recently noticed the same pattern. People buy XP so assume the new windows will be worth it and buy Vista. It breaks their PC so much they are forced to wait and buy Windows 7 which is good and people assume the next one will be even better.

And the cycle continues!

fr0sty4737d ago

@kneon

first impressions are key, however, and this hasn't been a good one. consumer confidence in the brand has taken a huge hit.

xxV0rschlaghammer4737d ago

@BitbyDeath LOL I've been in the PC tech industry for years now and MS has always had major blunders, I do however think the first Xbox was pretty good, even though during that generation I actually preferred the Gamecube

FTLightspeed4737d ago

@BitbyDeath how was the OG xbox bad? it was better then the PS2 AND the gamecube.

Masta_fro4737d ago

I think every gamer should watch this...its hilarious!!

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

nveenio4737d ago

We were starting a new generation, and my pocket book was up for grabs. Everything was fair game. The PS4 impressed me, but I really thought Microsoft was going to lure me back. Instead, they pushed me away. Even when I watched the trailer for Ryse, I thought, "Eh...Crytek isn't the greatest, but this might convince me to pick up a new Xbox..." And then I saw that it was a Kinect game.

*sigh*

darthv724737d ago

Self publishing applies to games that would appear in the "Indie" games section. That has long been the norm and is even the same case for Indie games on the PS store.

If an Indie dev wants their game put into the bigger more lucrative sections, that is where they need to partner up with a bigger publisher. there is no blocking of an indie dev to release their game.

The problem with the way its all phrased is people are assuming that if a dev cant self publish, they cant get their game on the service. That is wrong. It only applies to "WHERE" their game is listed.

Its like in retail markets. A product is generally placed where it fits. If a company wants their product at the front of the line, they pay extra for that privilege. EVERY company has the right to do that but some lack the funds to do it.

There is a false representation going on here. By all means i support indie devs but that is why they are called indie devs. they have their own section in both the Live marketplace as well as the PS store.

These smaller devs want their wares put in the bigger sections of both services because of the higher volume of traffic those sections generally have. They CAN do that but it will cost them OR they make a deal with a bigger publisher to do it for them.

I dont know if its some sort of entitlement mentality they are trying to push. Meaning that because they make a game and want to sell it on the PS store and live that they deserve the same section as games from bigger publishers. well...no offense but that is why both services created the categories for "Indie" games. So those types of games dont get lost in the shuffle of other big dev/published games.

Support the indie developers by buying their wares and word of mouth. The more popular their title becomes, it would naturally escalate up the ranks in the service and could help them get picked up by a larger publisher which can lead to them being put into the same category as the bigger arcade games on both services.

andibandit4737d ago

@DarthV

quite a wall of text, but i read through it like a Dan Brown book. Nicely written.

blackbeld4736d ago

@masta

Hahahaha that was funny awesome!!

Thank you for the laugh.

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Ashlen4737d ago

Windows 8 is the most closed version of Windows to date. Most people agree that the direction Microsoft wants to move is towards a more ap based system where they can control what makes it onto there system like Google and Apple.

maxgamehard4737d ago

It looks like M$ is no longer competing with Sony and Nintendo rather they are competing with Google and Apple.

showtimefolks4737d ago

sony and nintendo both offer developers to self publish so its shocking that ms isn't allowing that with xbox one

but also i think MS is testing the water and will make the proper changes at E3, atleast i hope because some of their moves are head scratches to say the least

Godmars2904737d ago

Sony and Nintendo are largely following the example MS set. Which still doesn't excuse MS's inflexibility.

Darrius Cole4737d ago

Microsoft isn't going to right any ship, they are doing exactly what they have wanted to do all along. They want to eliminate the used games market. In order to do that small developers must be forced to play ball or else. Can't have them going off the reservation later.

jetlian4737d ago

what does the used market have to do with indie devs Darrius? indie game would be dled anyway so there is nothing to sell used.

I think it has to do with people like phil fish not being able to pay to fix their game! If phil fish was backed by EA or Activision they would have payed the 30k or whatever it cost to fix the game so as not to stir the pot

maxgamehard4737d ago

Look at what the creator of Minecraft said.

https://twitter.com/notch/s...

And even Tim Schaefer is upset.

https://twitter.com/TimOfLe...

Did M$ not see what Sony has been doing. Or have they seen what they are doing but just don't care because they are making this console for a different crowd.

RandomDude6554737d ago

You're talking about the company that had a funeral for the iphone when windows 8 phone was about to launch.

They are a bit delusional and are suffering a large amount of groupthink.

Tsar4ever014737d ago (Edited 4737d ago )

Ya'll should look at these 2 guys rants at youtube, Sooo hilarious!!

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Pintheshadows4737d ago

I like the angry metal head.

WayneJ3604737d ago

Its gonna be running 3 OS's you guys need to listen to everything they say Im sure Windows 8 will be one of the 3 since im running Win 8 now and has some functions on 360 already :)

otherZinc4737d ago

I'm not buying a next gen console for indie games!

TheLyonKing4737d ago

Missing out. Indie games are amazing and well crafted like Fez, journey and bastion.

Cueil4737d ago

Journey was published by Sony and Fez and Bastion initially got their starts through Microsoft who clearly wasn't draconic and made them stay exclusive. Most indie games are on PC and even with a basic rig you'll be able to play 99 percent of them. I'm holding out hope we see some verion of XBLIG as well as the ability to publish apps through the Win8 store to Xbox One.

PiTCHBLaCK4736d ago

You're truly missing out!.

Cueil4737d ago

seems Major Nelson was hinting at something as did Aaron Greenberg... perhaps we'll see some form of XBLIG come to Xbox One also there is the Windows side that theoretically you can put your Win8 game apps on. There are still a ton of things and this is software based so maybe the voice is loud enough that the people who want it in Microsoft will get the boost to give it the go ahead.

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SexyGamerDude4737d ago (Edited 4737d ago )

I really had high hopes for this system. All it has turned into is Microsoft forcing their crap onto us. The fees, the forced installs, and the internet requirements are all crap. Now they do this. They want to be another Apple or Google.

You could have at least worked with Google, so One buyers (whoever they are) wouldn't have to use that crap IE.

FlameHawk4737d ago (Edited 4737d ago )

Lol even the Console exclusive dev are talking bad about it; Super Meat Boy and Fez. Lmao what a blow to Microsoft.

SexyGamerDude4737d ago

The creator of Minecraft even commented. Do you know how popular Minecraft is? Every time I hop on my dashboard I see a Mine craft add. What's going to take it's place now?

Sarobi4737d ago

"But honestly, after their reveal yesterday, does anyone really WANT to make games for it?" - Terry Cavanagh

Indie support goes a long way, and right now MS doesn't seem to be getting it.

M-M4737d ago

It's amazing how rumors and developer praise for the PS4 are all coming to together and are starting to make sense. I honestly can't believe what Microsoft is doing, what were they thinking?

Rusty5154737d ago

Haha. I read the last sentence in the avgn's voice.

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Final Fantasy X 25th Anniversary Website Launches With New Nomura Artwork and Merchandise

Square Enix launches Final Fantasy X 25th anniversary site, revealing new Nomura art, books, music releases, and merchandise.

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-Foxtrot13d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle13d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7713d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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Star Wars: Bounty Hunter Let Jango Fett Loose

LucasArts gave Jango Fett his own game in 2002, and it pulled Star Wars into a much dirtier, rougher, and more interesting corner of the galaxy.

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Relientk7718d ago

I remember playing this back in the day on PS2. What a sick game!

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Xbox has always been different.

We started with a simple idea. Games should bring people together through shared experiences. That led to the first Xbox in 2001, Xbox Live in 2002, and new ways to connect, from friends lists and achievements to parties and play across devices. Today, Xbox reaches over 500 million players around the world, with some of the most important franchises in entertainment.

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Outside_ofthe_Box18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster300018d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv7218d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit18d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania18d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit18d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot0717d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr18d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box18d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr18d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire9518d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv7218d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

--Onilink--18d ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv7218d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket18d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm18d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde18d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster9217d ago (Edited 17d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_18d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted18d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit18d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster9217d ago (Edited 17d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT18d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers18d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz14918d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot0717d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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