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Microsoft, It's Time to Kill Off Gamerscore

Default Prime's Alex Carlson examines the flawed and ambiguous nature of Gamerscore and why Microsoft's next console should shutter it for good.

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GalacticEmpire4757d ago

I don't think they should scrap them, just give them better structure, like PS Trophies.

ThatCanadianGuy5144757d ago

Yep.Trophies are just so much more satisfying.

Bronze, silver, gold and the coveted platinums, each adding their own value to your exp to 'level up'

vs

..numbers.

It's a pretty archaic system.Not just microsoft either.Steam really needs to get with the times as well.

JoGam4757d ago

I like trophies better however I think Sony should add to the system. Make like a next gen trophy system.

Tr10wn4757d ago

its achievements... beside that there isnt much left, they should make it more rewarding like the one is splosion man and ms splosion man and the one in halo, steam should do the same.

EVILDEAD3604757d ago

Always was a huge fan of achievements since the 360 launched.

It's been an huge part of the 360 and IMO it would be stupid to scrap them.

If MS is smart they will let 360 gamers continue them through next gen.

But I'm sure they realize the backlash from hardcore 360 gamers if they did.

Evil

Minato-Namikaze4757d ago

@evil dead

I think you are misunderstanding what they mean? Maybe the should have revamped. If you look at a person's trophies you are instantly able to get a sense of a persons skill level in games because they have 4 tiers. Its harder too do that with achievements because its just a number.

NukaCola4757d ago

Well I think next gen won't compatible with this gen so I think for MS and Sony they should allow current gen awards to be displayed and carried over, but revamp next gen achievements and trophies. I would like to see more awards from earning them. I do like MS is also pushing for dynamic adding of achievements. Uncharted 3 did this with their updates by adding those extra fun trophies that don't take away from the core Platinum. I am hoping for those, so games can have weekly challenges and such.

@Evil,
Bud you got to lighten up. A little criticism towards MS means people care and want to see them improve. You don't have to go full defense all the time. MS has been doing this just about 10 years plus, Sony almost 18 years, and others near 30-35 now. Gaming didn't begin with the Xbox and you got to realize it.

DragonKnight4757d ago

Speaking as someone who grew up with the NES and Arcades and such, Gamerscore is kind of a refreshing throwback to the high score days of old, but it's very poorly implemented. The appeal of trophies is that they appear to be contributing to something. Even if what they are contributing to doesn't really matter or have any impact on anything. With gamerscore, it's just a generic number.

If Gamerscore truly acted like a high score, it might be more appealing. Honestly, I think the amount of "hardcore 360 gamers" that actually care about the basic number aren't as many as some would have us believe. Gamerscore doesn't even showcase any kind of skill or effort, because it can easily represent just playing a lot of games.

Either way, both systems are not at all necessary to anything and if anyone thinks they are a necessity, they have terrible priorities and should stop gaming. Games shouldn't be about collection 200 random object to get that one achievement for the small boost in your score and same for trophies. They should be about the fun you're having with the game.

MikeMyers4756d ago (Edited 4756d ago )

Not sure what they can or will do. It becomes less relevant as time goes on if it's just a number that continues to get larger.

I say scrap it and start over. Offer a new unique challenge system that shows off your achievements and make it so it has more credibility and value to other gamers who view it.

@DragonKnight

"Gamerscore doesn't even showcase any kind of skill or effort, because it can easily represent just playing a lot of games."

Actually it does if you look deeper into what they unlocked. It's up to the publisher to decide the value and what achievements are given out. Trophies at first glance have the same problem. A gold trophy in one game could be much harder to get in another. There isn't any real consistency there either on skill or effort. Getting a 1000/1000 is the same as getting all the Trophies.

LAZL0-Panaflex4756d ago (Edited 4756d ago )

I agree with evil dead. Plus I like how if I'm at 800 or900ish I can just stop and play something else like I did in crysis 3....around 840 I just said eh my time is more valuable then that last 100 something points. I got 15 platinums and I'll tell u honestly they ruin lives. All the fights I had with my wife and all the sleep I lost trying to get those last 2 or 3 bronze trophies that were extremely hard, annoying or wouldn't pop. I had to work the next day mind you, and I'd be up like a mad man searching for 350 blastshards. I do hope they get rid of the useless level system and just put the number of platinums then a slash then total trophy number next to our gamer id's this time.

Like lpanaflex78 15/2375. See much better. Also they need to synce trophies like achievement points. It shouldn't take 5-10 minutes to compare trophies to some stranger, if I'm playing call of duty and I wanna see what games dickwad92 played I wanna do it quick like on Xbox and be in and out before the next match starts.

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joab7774757d ago (Edited 4757d ago )

I like it being different than PS. I love trophies but I have to have the plat. So, if its a game I may not plat, I get it for xbox if all else is equal.

But there is an obvious solution. Have one gamerscore but allow it to have different categories. This way, for those who want to know, they can dig further to see more info.

Also I just heard on IGN that on next gen, Sony and MS will have the ability, or developers will, to add trophies at any time. How about we get achievements and down the road based on how hard they are or how many ppl have obtained it, u get a multiplier that increases overall score. That way your level or gamerscore will directly reflect how good u r. Take how many ppl play a certain game and how many actually get a particulartrophy and u will know how difficult is. Yes I know there are some problems but it could work especially if u involve other gamers rating them or something.

DOMination-4757d ago

Trueachievements website does that

AngelicIceDiamond4757d ago (Edited 4757d ago )

Or how bout MS innovates the structure that's unique to them, instead of making it like Sony's.

We don't want copy cats now. And Sony fanboys saying "we had it first".

EDIT: This is an idea I've been thinking of for while.

I was think MS had different servers within their infrastructure. That allows users to switch between The core achievement and gamerscore system and other being for modding and "influencing" system but with out gamerscore and achievement.

That would be the coolest thing ever imo. 1 tailor for achievements and GS and the other for the modding community, but it'll never happen though.

Why o why4757d ago (Edited 4757d ago )

Explain the modding part.. sounds different.

Secondly, I believe If there were no achievements there may never of been trophies. Copying happens. Trophies are an evolution of achievements. No loss of face if ms implemented a semi similar version.

At evil, nothing wrong with a revamp dude. A number doesn't paint a better picture than a tiered system. Ease of use and accessibility was always something live 'preferrers' said they liked...

*preferrers should be a real word*

iNathan4757d ago

Trophies are just a rip off lol

let gamerscore alone, i dont care about it but its a good thing to have.

Irishguy954757d ago (Edited 4757d ago )

Trophies are a rip off, but also an improvement. Trophies and numbers versus Numbers.

I think both are **** anyway. I don't want bragging rights myself/proof of being a loser.

There will be alot here who try and disagree that Sony only put in trophies because MS had achievements. Psn was basically taking all of the Xboxs(including gold) features and playing catch up for years. All that is left is cross game chat.

InactiveUser4757d ago

Trophies and levels* vs. numbers.

I go for platinums now that they're there, but at times it feels like work instead of fun, but it's also nice to have that extra challenge and get more out of the games and add to replay value.

The only addition I want to see with trophies is the ability to delete or hide games you don't want on your trophy list. Games you didn't like, don't feel like going back to, just wanted to try out, etc.

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WeAreLegion4757d ago

Ratchet & Clank had "Achievements" on the PS2, so I don't think anyone stole the idea.

GameCents4757d ago

I like my Gamerscore thank you very much.

mrbojingles4757d ago

Only on N4G would three people disagree with someone simply saying they like something,...

SegaGamer4757d ago

Who really cares how many points you get for certain achievements ?

I have a love hate feeling towards achievements. I think they are a good idea but most achievements are not fun to achieve, most of them are boring, especially online ones. I would love it if online achievements were removed.

SpiralTear4757d ago

I don't think there's any way to get online achievements once the games that have them are taken offline.

admiralvic4757d ago

Depends what the task entails. Sometimes the "online" achievements can be done with splitscreen (at least with trophies), though if it requires online to do... then no.

fsfsxii4756d ago

Anybody remembers Ghost Recon Future Soldier online trophies/Achievments?? One of the most boring and hard trophies i ever tried to get, and failed

LAZL0-Panaflex4756d ago

Me too but they're put there so u don't sell the game

Supermax4757d ago

I think you should be able to use your gamer score to buy Xbox live games with or any other media you can get threw live.

SpiralTear4757d ago (Edited 4757d ago )

As great and logical as that sounds for gamers, Microsoft would lose a ton of money on that unless the exchange rate was something bizarrely unfair...like 10000 Gamerscore Points equals 40 Microsoft Store points.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio12d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing12d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9212d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit12d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing12d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9212d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay14d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn215d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn214d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown15d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay14d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay14d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac14d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger15d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300015d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde15d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde14d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7516d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_13d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.