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'Next Xbox Will Not Be Compatible With Second Hand'

NowGamer: Managing director of publisher Xing Interactive adds for the next Xbox 'you’ll have to go through Microsoft to do anything'

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Godmars2904696d ago

So while Sony is looking to be more open and accessible, Ms is going the more controlling route?

Though really, if their push next gen is the cable box, entertainment, games are going to be something that's just there on the system.

TimmyShire4696d ago

Sony has really turned itself around, somehow. Asked most people a couple of years ago and things would have looked bleak for Sony (sadly), but these days it seems everyone can't get enough of 'em.

Hurray!

Abash4696d ago

'Next Xbox Will Not Be Compatible With Second Hand'

So no buying used games, no borrowing games from friends, and no option to rent a game even?

I really never thought a new game console could sound as unappealing as the next Xbox

jimbobwahey4696d ago

It's worth taking into account that Sony requires an online pass for all their first-party games so that people buying used have to cough up extra cash if they want to play their games online. This is something that Microsoft do not do to their customers, and they appear to be much more tolerant of used games than Sony is.

As such, I'm incredibly wary of any rumors that spring up claiming that Microsoft will block used games with the next Xbox, since so far this console gen they've been much more considerate to gamers who buy used than Sony has.

Philoctetes4696d ago

"It's worth taking into account that Sony requires an online pass for all their first-party games so that people buying used have to cough up extra cash if they want to play their games online. This is something that Microsoft do not do to their customers, and they appear to be much more tolerant of used games than Sony is. "

Yeah, because Microsoft would never charge people to use their own internet connections to play online games that they already bought.

Darrius Cole4696d ago

@Jimbobwahey, Post# 1.1.2

What are you talking about? Microsoft doesn't have to attach an online pass to used copies of games they publish, because Microsoft charges you to play online with the original, brand new copy.

GameSpawn4696d ago (Edited 4696d ago )

@Darrius Cole

Remember that XBL fees are money in Microsoft's hands, not the publisher or developer. This is why day 1 on disc DLC exists; publishers are trying to recoup however they can.

I have no issue with online passes as they are a "fair" compromise. Remember you have a choice to buy new at $60 (online pass included free) or used at $45-50 and then optionally (key word here) purchase the online pass for $10.

All that being said, the only way I can see what the article is talking about as working is that Microsoft ties the games to your XBL account and if the game is bought used you'd pay a fee to untie it from the original owner and retie it to yourself. This would be far more complicated than "online passes" and an open system for used games; it would give Microsoft more control and the ability to track trades though.

EVILDEAD3604696d ago

Nothing has changed.

Xbox mini will be only be online as already stated.

The 720 will be offline and will support used games.

Evil

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fr0sty4696d ago (Edited 4696d ago )

Jimbo, I've never had to use an online pass with any first party sony game. They have mentioned all games using it, but so far have not implemented it. Uncharted 3 didn't even ask me for a code, though that was the last first party game I bought.

3-4-54695d ago

Not compatible with Used games = Not profitable system.

Seems like Microsoft is abandoning it's hardcore market and trying to go pure TV/Cable/Movies/ Casual route.

That may be good for Microsoft, but bad for the Xbox brand......you know the brand that has given them millions.

gatormatt804695d ago

@fr0sty,

Sony now uses online passes. I'm not sure which game it was first implemented in, but I rented GoW:A from Gamefly and I wasn't able to play online without an online pass.

DOMination-4695d ago

Sony already said they have some tech that detects preowned games inside the ps4 but was up to publishers if they wanted to use it.

MS said they do NOT have this tech.

This rumour could end up true. System wide inability would suck for those who buy second hand. But right now only one console is confirmed to block and n4g glosses over the fact that console is the ps4.

Rainstorm814695d ago

PS4 confirmed to Block games?......link please...I must've missed that in the press conference......

Here's my link...can u match it?

http://n4g.com/news/1168888...

DragonKnight4695d ago

@EVILDEAD360: "Nothing has changed."

From the nothing that already was?

"Xbox mini will be only be online as already stated."

Citation needed.

"The 720 will be offline and will support used games."

Citation needed.

Remember kids "My own damn opinion" is not a credible citation. Show your work, credit your sources.

DragonKnight4695d ago

@DOMination-: First, read this.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Note this: "Interestingly, I also spoke to a Sony source elsewhere at the event this evening who told me that the anti used-game patent discovered last month was actually nothing to do with PlayStation 4 at all."

And this: "But whatever reason Sony did have for patenting it, it sounds like it wasn't for its next-generation console."

Then read this.

http://arstechnica.com/gami...

Note this: "While Yoshida's statement leaves open the possibility that individual publishers can still block used games at will, it's just as likely he was simply leaving the door open for the kind of "Online Pass" purchase systems that already routinely limit certain online game functions in used copies of games."

Every source except for one, that being the managing director at Sony UK, says used games will work on the PS4. I'm inclined to take the word of executives like Jack Tretton and Shuhei Yoshida over a managing director who wouldn't know anything that these two executives don't.

Saigon4695d ago

It amazes me that we all are condemning Sony and MS for this feature that may occur when technically some publishers and developers have started to already apply these features within this current generation, and I expect them to continue to the next. I know for a fact several used games that I have purchased that require an additional purchase to access online features. By Sony and MS applying the feature (Sony as an option and MS, we don't know yet) in their next console, I can expect most publishers to actually use it. So we can purchase used games, but in order to access the content of the game, you have to purchase an additional feature.

NegativeCreepWA4695d ago

Lol, did any of you bother looking up this no name publisher? Hardly a reliable source.

g2gshow4695d ago

it's all about money a lot of companies are taking a wait an see approach to all this microsoft will lead the way the rest will soon fallow gamers are not united an the new generation dont care nor do fanboy's. it will all come to pass sooner or later

BattleAxe4695d ago

Sony going the good way, while Microsoft going the Apple way of control.

Boody-Bandit4695d ago (Edited 4695d ago )

I sure hope we are being Rick Rolled and MS isn't this stupid. New only will be the kiss of death for them. That can't be this stupid, can they?

E3 can't get here soon enough. If these rumors turn out to be true? I prefer options and having resale value in my purchases. That and "it's been a blast MS but I feel we are headed in different directions." CIAO

jmc88884695d ago

What people forget though is that the 'online pass' has to do with the online portion of a game.

True for quite a few games this is an instant deal breaker in terms of how many people use games. As many games people buy just for the multiplayer.

But for microsoft this means, if true, is that NO part of the game will be able to be used. It may not even be an option to buy an online pass as the disc may not run at all.

Then again if the console isn't connect to the internet for a multitude of reasons, the console itself would be worthless as well.

I also wonder what happens if you move or have an online service that doesn't give you the same IP.

nukeitall4695d ago

I find it ironic that online passes is a way to block used games, so in essence when Sony, a first party, pretty much introduced this and made it acceptable, nobody gave a damn.

Suddenly now used games is an issue?

I have always been against online passes, because it never actually gave me anything and pretty much just took my rights away.

If you can give me something compelling in return for the lack of ability to play used games, then I might, just might be fine with it.

It's like MP3, CDs has better quality, but I will take MP3 for convenience and cost. However, I will not take nasty DRM on my music.

THEMIGHTYDOOVDE4695d ago

'Sony has really turned itself around, somehow'..... other than showing the PS4's basic spec, a controller, and a handful of demos, I don't think Sony have done anything to turn their fortunes around.

loulou4695d ago

you cant beat n4g. a positive m$ rumour gets the "wait and see" from the sony fanboys, yet a negative one gets over 200 comments of hate..

troll on kids

MrBeatdown4694d ago

@nukeitall

You act like Sony originated it. This is despite the fact that EA pioneered it, and WB and Ubisoft followed suit, making Sony the FOURTH publisher to require it. Quite hypocritical coming from someone who, just a few days ago, accused someone of being a lying fanboy.

Making your bullcrap all the more hilarious is that you try to imply some hypocrisy by saying "nobody gave a damn" about online passes, despite the huge backlash against it, which even helped EA earn the title of "worst company in America".

What's even more hypocritical is that this is coming from a guy who's clearly pro-Microsoft, a company that asks you to put in your credit card number to play your new games online, instead of just a code that comes in the box.

Outside_ofthe_Box4694d ago (Edited 4694d ago )

lol @ nukeitall

***"I have always been against online passes, because it never actually gave me anything and pretty much just took my rights away."***

I'm pretty sure everyone is against online passes and what "rights" are you referring to being taken away? The ability to play used games online without an additional fee? You do realize that MS pretty much does that with new and used games, right? As you have to pay for live in order to play your games online...

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LOGICWINS4696d ago (Edited 4696d ago )

I wouldn't call removing the "Other OS" feature from the PS3 and limiting Vita owners to expensive proprietary memory cards "open and accessible" on Sony's part. EVERY company wants to control your content to an extent.

Microsoft is simply taking the practice a step further. They probably figure that the revenue they lose from rebellious consumers who want to play used games is gained back tenfold by consumers who sign contracts for two year cable subscriptions. Very smart on their part.

Not to mention the goodwill they'll have with developers given this strong stance on anti-piracy.

ziggurcat4696d ago

since when is legally buying a used game piracy?

LOGICWINS4696d ago

^^I never said it was. I'm referring to people who have been making copies of 360 games for the past half decade.

asmith23064696d ago

Very smart? I don't think so. If Microsoft block used games they have officially gone full retard in regards to what they bring to gamers. And I am talking about core gamers, the ones who made the 360 and the original Xbox sell in the first place. It's never good for business when you alienate your core audience and fanbase.

I don't think devs will benefit from this either. Look at the uproar over Sim City, which went to great efforts to have always online. It crashed and burned, and as a result Maxis is marked because of the negative publicity. Any screw up with always online is a major one. Devs don't need that hanging over them.

What you need is better business models; subscription services such as PS+ are the way to go if you want to defeat piracy and ween people off used games. I don't know many people who say they don't love what they get out of PS+. I'm saying this as a person who has never bought used either. Kill used or try to block it with always online, is a disasterous approach, unless you bring services that fill the void.

Godmars2904696d ago

Other OS had to be removed for a reason everyone here should very well know. And while the Vita MC can't really be defended, at least they did more than take something off the shelf and put it in an enclosure.

As for MS and goodwill, from what I'm hearing they don't really have any. Not with small and indie.

Also, was talking about the next console cycle. Not the current one. And even then Sony's games are region free. Physical ones anyway.

Genuine-User4696d ago (Edited 4696d ago )

You can't be serious LOGICWINS.
Sony is well within their rights to do those things.
On the other hand, Microsoft seems more intrusive and anti consumer if all these rumours are to be believed.
Those propriety memory cards can work on as many different Vitas as you want, as long as you format them.
Microsoft is planning to limit the disc to a single account. That I believe is unethical.

LOGICWINS4696d ago (Edited 4696d ago )

"And I am talking about core gamers, the ones who made the 360 and the original Xbox sell in the first place. It's never good for business when you alienate your core audience and fanbase."

It doesn't seem like you understand whats going on here. Microsoft is WILLING to lose a chunk of their core gamer audience if it means getting a bigger piece of the casual pie.

Microsoft isn't stupid. This is a company that made over $2 billion on XBL subs alone this gen.

As much as people here want it to happen, they wouldn't do something thats going to put them in the red.

"As for MS and goodwill, from what I'm hearing they don't really have any. Not with small and indie."

Does that matter to 99% of people? Will most people spend $299-$399 for a 720 to play AAA titles or $5-$15 indie game?

@alessandro10- I love how keyboard warriors think they understand business better than billion dollar companies.

alessandro104696d ago (Edited 4696d ago )

good luck with that

lets see DAT goodwill when everyone starts to jump out

Godmars2904696d ago

"Microsoft is WILLING to lose a chunk of their core gamer audience if it means getting a bigger piece of the casual pie."

And given how well the casual market supported the Wii, you honestly consider the active alienation of a segment of its current market a good idea?

Also if rumor is true and they're going more towards TV and entertainment support, anything resembling hardcore gaming support if going to whittle to Halo and anything else with name recognition while quality is actually casual.

LOGICWINS4696d ago (Edited 4696d ago )

No, the Wii and the 720 are two different beasts. The Wii went for casual gamers, the 720 on the otherhand is going for casuals in general(people who spend more time streaming/social networking, watching cable than gaming). There are more potential consumers for the latter than the former.

If Microsoft subsidizes the 720 to $199 with a 2 year sub to XBL Gold, Cable, and Netflix for $25 a month, you REALLY believe they won't be successful?

grimmweisse4696d ago

Good will working with developers is not some BS archaic form of DRM. Working with devs making it easier to release on to your platform is what is needed and making the tools available for your particular platform readily available.

If these RUMORS have truth to them, then many gamers will shy away from the Nextbox. Always online or connected is never a good option. Previous and current games with those DRM restrictions has proven that its a problem.

kayoss4696d ago

@logicwins
"Does that matter to 99% of people? Will most people spend $299-$399 for a 720 to play AAA titles or $5-$15 indie game?"

Have you seen the ipad and tablet users? They spend $400-600 for an Ipad or Iphone so they can play $0.99 games. Most of these games are indie games too. Yes it true they use the Ipad for other purposes, but i can guarantee that %85 of the Ipad user uses their Ipads to play these games during their pass time, How do you explain Angry bird, candy crush, words with friends, etc...???

LOGICWINS4696d ago

"Have you seen the ipad and tablet users? They spend $400-600 for an Ipad or Iphone so they can play $0.99 games."

?????

But thats not ALL people do with an iPAD. You KNOW that.

Thirty3Three4696d ago

@asmith2306:

You said, " they have officially gone full retard "

Can I use this? I just spit my water all over my computer XD

Qrphe4696d ago

Now you're just arguing for Microsoft's corporate interests instead of your own.
If they do choose to block used games then let them rot and don't try to defend them. That said I don't expect them to block them (it'd be unbelievably stupid).

T24695d ago

So people think its ok to buy an item you cant share with a friend ? Hey can I borrow your car? No sorry gotta buy a key from ford ... Only an absolute sucker would lie down and take this

Rainstorm814695d ago (Edited 4695d ago )

Logic your name is so ironic sometimes

If MS abandons gamers for its next GAME Console then it will fail..... Whether it's Kinect Gears or Halo the Xbox Brand is associated with Gaming...when they abandon that to be a casual hardware device , Nintendo and Sony will no longer consider them competition, just as they don't consider Comcast or FIOS boxes competition...and yes they play games as well.

Also u said "the Wii and the 720 are two different beasts. The Wii went for casual gamers, the 720 on the otherhand is going for casuals in general".

That statement is ridiculous, the Wii got grandparents and soccer moms and more into gaming that may have never touched a game prior to the Wii...the crowd you are think MS are aiming for have no reason to get a Xbox720 if they already have a cable service or smart tv and have no interest in gaming....unless its incredibly affordable..... even then I've used FIOS on 360 and it's a mere shadow of the actual FIOS service ( missing channels, features , etc..)

DragonKnight4695d ago

"I wouldn't call removing the "Other OS" feature from the PS3 and limiting Vita owners to expensive proprietary memory cards "open and accessible" on Sony's part."

Yes, because removing a weakness in security that less than 1% of the userbase used and was not a necessary feature for the console's basic function is exactly the same as closed and restrictive practices with the prohibition of used games. EXACTLY the same. /s

CEOSteveBallmer4695d ago

Dude I somehow get your point in a business point of view, But its still "Risky" for them if they are going to do this. And you really sounded like you defend microsoft as if you gain something from it. I dont mind if you defend microsoft if what their doing is good. But even though these are rumors, still they are unappealing no matter where you look at it. I too defend my console or company of choice which is sony because I see that their way of doing things is good if not great and very "Pro" consumer. But if they have done something unappealing too then I will not stand up for them. Like example they chose region lock games for the first time. But its just an example. No matter how we love our brand of clothing or devices, if they done something against their customers, I dont think standing up for them is a good idea.

gigoran4695d ago

Right, because Microsoft allows you to buy any hdd you want and install it in the xbox360. Oh wait....

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iamlegend99994696d ago

Main reason why i'm switching and the the main main reason i'm switching is because planetside 2 was hinted to be on playstation 4. When i heard that i was like "SOLD".

blackpanther254696d ago

The whole thing I love about the PS4 is that it is going to open the door for more MMOs on consoles.

abzdine4696d ago

i dont care what manufacturer we are talking about but no preowned no buy, it's as simple as it sounds.

This means no one can borrow games from friends? NO WAY!

indysurfn4696d ago

Not only that but as @asmith2306 said "Microsoft has officially gone FULL RETARD!"@asmith2306

mcstorm4695d ago

What I find funny is this is a rumour nothing else.

If Ms drop xbox live subscription then I see them making a online pass like Sony do for there exclusive games where they can only be used once to play on line and then if you buy the game 2nd hand you will have to buy the pass as well.

I don't thing any of the big 3 will stop pre owned games next gen as people would end up with far to many games hanging around in there homes that they never play. I also think it would hurt sales of games Ike fifa ect as people will not want 7 copy's in there collection

Rainstorm814695d ago

@mcstorm

MS already will have a tough road justifying a subscription for XBL IMO....most if not all of XBL current payed features will be free on other consoles this gen

Godz Kastro4695d ago

I wish people would stop acting as if this is not inevitable. Sony and MS need to catch up to modern day platforms like apple/google/amazon when it comes to digital distribution. The only reason this is talked about is because they are still using physical media which is on its way out and I for one can not wait.

I want a nice clean interface that displays all my games and I can hop in and out with no need to touch a disk...

Its gonna happen people, both MS and Sony will go this route. The question is when?

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AngelicIceDiamond4696d ago (Edited 4696d ago )

More flip flopping rumors, as usual I call BS.

Meanwhile this seems plausible

https://www.google.com/url?...

In case nobody reads it:

"Moving away from questions of hardware for second - remember Black Tusk Studios? The exciting new people who're developing at least four new IP, presumably for the new console? They're in the market for a campaign engineer with serious "core" credentials. "This opportunity is best suited for an experienced engineer with a background working closely with Design to create outstanding single-player experiences in a core AAA game," reads the listing in question.
"The role will be to create and maintain custom campaign gameplay systems that are needed for our game. Our ideal candidate will be a committed gamer with a passion for delivering new experiences to the core consumer." Experience with the Unreal Engine is preferred. Hmm.

Black Tusk also needs a senior services engineer to help assemble "a reliable high-traffic web application to support console and multi-screen end points". Multi-screen, eh? Could this be a SmartGlass-style auxiliary in-game service of some kind?"

This seems more interesting than the same flip flopping rumor that pops up every week.

Godmars2904696d ago

And it could just as well be for the WiiU. More so in fact specifically because the WiiU comes with a tablet device.

Blaze9294696d ago (Edited 4696d ago )

can we start putting rumor in the title for these RUMORS? Geeze we already know how gullible the internet is. This just makes it even worse acting like they know what they're talking about; a product that hasn't even been announced yet.

http://darkzero.co.uk/game-...

That saying it's false now this saying it's true.

Here we again. June really can't come soon enough >_>

Godz Kastro4695d ago

Thats what im saying... everyone is talking as if this is set in stone. I wish the internet would just shut up until june...

omi25p4696d ago

When a rumour appeared on this site the other day, saying the 720 will use used game and is more powerful than the ps4. Everyone said to ignore it because its just a rumour.

Now its negative towards the 720 its got to be true.

People on this site are so full of it.

MysticStrummer4696d ago

That goes both ways. Negative 720 rumors are dismissed by the faithful, while positive rumors must be true. Let's also not forget the years of negative PS3 articles we saw on this site that's supposedly run by PS3 fanboys.

Condemnedman4696d ago

Mysticstrummer

THE SOLE REASON THE NEGATIVE ARTICLES APPEAR ON HERE
IS BECAUSE OF ALL THE HITS THE SITE GETS BECAUSE OF CHILDISH
FOOLS ON HERE COME TO DEFEND THEIR CONSOLE OF CHOICE !

DragonKnight4695d ago

^^ ALL CAPS RAGE OVER NOTHING!!

Objective4695d ago

Agreed. And if you check on the number of positive or negative comments on each of such articles and the number of agrees or disagrees each comment receives, you get a very clear picture of which camp of childish fools overrun this site.

MuhammadJA4695d ago

Your disagrees prove your point. This site reeks of hypocrisy.

jmc88884695d ago

Well there's a reason for that.

If you look around there's literally been somewhere around a hundred articles with various sources of whatever credibility that says one way.

Then there's been maybe a handful the other way.

This doesn't guarantee anything one way or the other, but it is very reasonable for people to have formed a mindset towards a certain viewpoint.

Afterall MS has had months to deny these rumors, as these rumors ARE very damaging to their brand.

It's never a good thing to let thousands and thousands of people to swear off the 720 if these things are true, and then just expect every one of them can be won back. Quite a few are already gone.

Lets put it this way.

If you are standing still and everyone is running towards you from one direction saying Godzilla is coming and then you turn around and find one person running your way saying Godzilla is coming.

Which way are you going to run?

In absence of official information, which MS is guilty of not providing in light of rumors of such impactful nature, people are going to draw conclusions from the information that is around them.

In this case, hundreds of articles over months of timeframe of vast negative consequence have been rumored. MS are fools for letting it fester like it is. It's the worst publicity possible.

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bunt-custardly4696d ago (Edited 4696d ago )

NEXT XBOX (XBOX MINI) will not be compatible with second hand.

Yeh we already know this, and I like how the article doesn't make the distinction between which next Xbox Connolly is talking about.

Nowgamer says Xbox 720 yet Connolly says next xbox.

Way to play with words.

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4696d ago (Edited 4696d ago )

"So while Sony is looking to be more open and accessible, Ms is going the more controlling route? "

ps4tw!!

ichimaru4696d ago

Lol wait, what happened to "wait for an official announcement " . dude at least be a consistent troll

JasonKCK4696d ago

how many more of these same rumors going to pop up on N4G? this is like rumor number 5000 of the same damn thing.

jmc88884695d ago

Which with its so negative content forming first impressions on Microsoft's new content is akin to....

Every newspaper in an area introducing a political candidate each with an article talking about how they are a convicted sex offender with multiple dui's who can be easily bought off on any issue and also kicks dogs.

Meanwhile said candidate remains quiet.

Yeah, smart move Microsoft.

indysurfn4696d ago

once again if this is true, the xbox 360 will be my last Microsoft machine. Looks like instead of having Microsoft/Sony combo I will have a Sony/Nintendo combo! LOL. BLANK MICROSOFT AND EA!

Virus2014695d ago

What ever happened to "Let's wait for official announcements"? Last week we hear good news(rumors) about the NextBox and everyone wants to wait for "official announcements". Now we go back to the bad news (rumors) and everyone want to accept it as truth. F'in pathetic.

infamousinfolite4695d ago

MICROSOFT NEEDS TO COME OUT HERE AND REVEAL THEIR CONSOLE ALREADY. Too many rumors out here that people are running blind don't know what to believe anymore.

Double_O_Revan4695d ago

Exactly. It's one thing to have rumors for a new console, but with the all the outright insanely negative rumors for their next system, they really need to say Something. At this point their still playing the neutral PR bullcrap and denying even the Existence of the next system.

I'm willing to bet we don't get anything before E3. Which is a long ways when it come to these rumors on a daily basis. I also think they're on damage control behind the scenes with last minute changes because they got caught off guard by Sony's reveal.

takohma4695d ago

@infamousinfolite- you're right they need to at least give small tease or some kind of info about it all.

@azshorty2003- After reading the history on E3 at ign I agree with you about Microsoft doing damage control. Sony has done this before with putting news out about a system surprising the competition. Sony did that before with a price cut on the PSX which forced Nintendo to cut the price on the N64. I could be wrong on details but it was a similar situation. It seems like Sony is getting back to there old days with surprise announcements.

JokesOnYou4695d ago (Edited 4695d ago )

Well his assumption is just based on rumors, either way these companys will get their money micro makes you pay up front for online, sony makes you pay through an online pass. Lets wait and see what micros strategy is next gen, Im guessing it will be much the same as far as online charges are concerned.

vv @zichu dont sweat it, people are not jumping ship to sony based on rumors, thats all n4g talk, those folks werent going to buy the next xbox even if it cooked you breakfast too, if micro incorporates great games, with the best online structure, plus intergrated tv/set top box programming like I believe they will, I guarantee you the next xbox will be the best selling console in the US by far and do similiar sales to this gen in other markets.

takohma4695d ago

lol you are right I wasnt planning on buying the next xbox even though I have a 360. That breakfast bit was very funny though lol. But.....if the next xbox makes protein shakes I would by it!!!!! lol

Urusernamesucks4695d ago

"So while Sony is looking to be more open and accessible, Ms is going the more controlling route?"

Sony has officialy revealed theyre conlsole and its ideas, ms hasnt,so STFU.

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slapedurmomsace4695d ago

If Microsoft is successful, Sony will follow suit. They are a business, not your friend.

Godmars2904695d ago

All companies are greedy, but are still defined by what methods they use in order to get your money.

MS comes up with XBL Gold, which makes you pay to access features in both games and console. Sony sees this and come up with PS+, which is at first a discount sales, then later a game leasing or rental service. Both are basically the same and yet PS+, developed upon the example of XBL, actually gives something other than what could be considered basic.

slapedurmomsace4695d ago

@godmars, Oh I completely agree, and I really don't think it would be added to the PS4, that would be a huge disaster to all of a sudden make peoples games non-playable. I'm thinking that would be added for the PS5 if Sony as a company is still around. What I'm trying to say is, people point to Sony as if they are their personal friend and are only looking out for the gamer. That's not true, they are looking out for themselves, and will make money where ever they can, just like any other business, they just aren't as blantly dickheadish about it as Microsoft is. But it's made up for in other ways.

As in example, Microsoft charges a ridiculous amount for a small hard drive that you have to buy from MS. Where Sony lets any lap top drive in. Huge advantage Sony. However, Sony removed features from the PS3 as time has moved on and than lowered the price. I.E. You paid less and got less, (though in my personal case, I didn't give a rip about the features that were removed) Where MS added wireless with B/G/N* and the priced stayed. (though it should've been there to begin with) and when sony made the super slim they didn't add wireless N, which kinda did suck.

Honestly we could go back and forth like this for a while, but the bottom line is, I'm not a fan boy of either system, I'm a fan of gaming in general, if it's on PC/360/PS3 or old school systems, and from you response where you weren't an ass for no reason, I'm sure you agree it would be a waste of our time. Just gets tiring to see people destroy Microsoft for unconfirmed rumors, but when the rumors was the PS4 would block used games, no one believed it. I can understand people wanna defend Sony and the PS3 cause they like the company, but the PS3 fans on here at least, are really teetering on becoming worse the Apple fanboys. If you wanna be a fan boy of something gaming related, become a fan boy of a developer. I'm a huge Naughty Dog fan, and have been since Crash, and would follow them even if they did start to make games on other platforms, I'd buy the other platform if I didn't have it just for their game. Just to add, i don't mean this personally towards you, just any fan boy for anything system

Godmars2904695d ago

The only reason we'd go back and forth is that you equate having to remove Other OS from the PS3 as an obituary money saving action. Ignore that MS sold wifi adapters separately when they'd been in the PS3 since day one, or that upgrading it would be of general advantage and not just something tech minded gamers would be concerned about.

When Sony offered their console it was as the best they had to offer at the time and was sold at a loss. When MS offered theirs its cheapest and shortchanging version was advertised the most, it ate discs and resulted in "RRoD" becoming a common term.

Going back the original argument: companies DO NOT do the same things. Some put their interests besides those of their customers while others put them above. MS has done things which in my opinion puts them in the latter category. If you see things differently then you just do, but at least try and bring up some evidence or cherry pick it.

slapedurmomsace4695d ago

@Godmars..yeah I guess i was wrong, you were interested in going back and forth. You go ahead and bring up the RROD problem that has zero to do with the conversation and has been resolved for years, and I'll just go ahead and bring up the fact PSN was hacked and account info was stolen. I know this cause Sony bought me a year of identity protection as an I'm sorry with a cheap game. And no, it wasn't just an OS removal, you just go ahead and ignore the USB ports and SD/XD card ports were removed. No problem.

As far as the Wifi, wifi back in 05/06 as a dedicated connection was unreliable at best. Most people had their system hard wired. Though I agree it was stupid of MS not to include is, as I'm sure it'd costed them $5 a console to do so.

And I guess it's only cherry picking cause you think I'm picking on Sony, well I apologize but as you said yourself, all companies are Greedy, but somehow Sony is greedy company that has it's customers best interests at heart. Yeah ok

takohma4695d ago

@slapedurmomsace Dont forget the original xbox 360 didnt have hdmi connections. My friends original one finally bit the dust lol.

so if you wanted a hdmi you would have to buy another 360 I think the elites had started using hdmi. Then if you wanted wifi you would have to get another 360...lol so that 3-xbox 360 just to get what the ps3 already had.

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miDnIghtEr20C_SfF4695d ago

Typical N4G. This is a bad rumor for MS and the Durango, and everyone is jumping on and talking about it like it's true.

Good rumor comes out last week or week before about Durango, and being pretty powerful, and right away everyone disses it, and says no way, never could happen.

Only the negative rumors are true on n4g.

jmc88884695d ago

You're reading it wrong.

Which shows you WHY Microsoft in FACT has already screwed up.

When hundreds of articles from many sources say one thing, and a single or handful or articles contradicts it, which are people likely to believe?

The part which is FACT, is that Microsoft has ALLOWED this situation to fester when all they had to do is come out and say that these negative rumors are false (if they are) and that when they have something to announce they'll announce it.

So either MS IS doing this, and they're screwed.

or

MS isn't doing this, but everyone already thinks they do, which means they are screwed, just a decent portion less.

Great job Microsoft. You guys must have the same PR people as EA.

g2gshow4695d ago

im just going to say it like this this is where the industrie is headed if we like it or not just like fare hikes an so on. sony an every ne els pc will get on the band wagon sooner or later. when they see microsoft making all that money an publishers geting a bigger return on sales an not losing out on the used game market i dont like it but business is business /just hope we the gamers get something out of this change cheaper games would be nice but i doubt it maybe forst party games . the younger generation dont care about always on line or being watched or understand whats going on they just want to play the next best thing

1OddWorld4695d ago

Inc Disagrees for me

When you purchase a game new the creator is selling you a license to his "Intellectual property". You do not have the right to sell his "Intellectual Property". You have the right to sell the disc which is just the "key". GameStop and others have walked a fine line in this area and now technology has given the creator the ability to protect his creation.

Like many have said buying used is robbing the creator of his "Intellectual Property".

While I hate big business in most cases and am completely against always online DRM. I am for protecting ones body of work.

And {Yes} there is a huge difference between a creation of the mind and a used car.

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TimmyShire4696d ago

This rumour won't seem to go away. I'm not saying 'wait to Microsoft confirm this' stuff, but there's usually no smoke without fire.

And that worries me... I won't buy and Xbox 720 if true.

Zichu4696d ago

The reason it won't go away is because journalists have nothing else to tall about and jump on the most popular bandwagon. At the moment it's the always online and no used games rumor for the 720.

It's just a rumor though, people are taking it as if the final decision and are jumping ship to Sony. I know the Ps4 sounds amazing and I will definitely get one, but plz be open minded about this everyone.

Minato-Namikaze4696d ago

I'll get a next box if the online is free and they release more games. 1st party games have been very lacking since the kinect revealed. I cant justify buying a system that wont release games on a frequent basis for me.

grimmweisse4696d ago

I hardly doubt they will stop charging for their live service with the 720. It's has proven to be lucrative for them.

Donnieboi4696d ago (Edited 4696d ago )

My head is spinning. Sick of these rumor articles popping up. Who the heck knows what to believe anymore?

EDIT: Whoa, I just finished reading it (sorry), and yeah this actually seems like a very solid lead!

NastyLeftHook04696d ago

i can see it happening so easily with them.

InMyOpinion4696d ago

Either all of them do it or none of them will. It would mean instant failure and none of them are THAT stupid.

pompombrum4696d ago

Logically speaking, it sounds like suicide however the average consumer will probably end up blissfully unaware of it's inability to play second hand games and get caught up in Oprah, smiling families and whatever else Microsoft's marketing department throws at everyone.

Still, if they take this route, in the long run, it's going to provide more negatives than positives especially if the ps3 can play used games.

Darrius Cole4696d ago

I don't know. Maybe the average consumer won't know, but the average consumer who buys from video game specialty stores will know. EVERY video game specialty store will be out in force against this if it is true....

But we don't know that it is true. Frankly, it seems so likely to cause major damage and so unlikely to produce a tangible benefit for Microsoft, that I find it difficult to accept.

Why would Microsoft do this? Why? What would they gain from it? Or, if you will, What do they THINK they will gain from doing this?

It's very difficult to see how this help Microsoft. Therefore it is very difficult to believe.

pompombrum4696d ago

Thinking about it, the only reason I can come up with as to why Microsoft would risk it would be as an aggressive attempt to get third party publishers to make Xbox exclusive games. I don't know the figures and I'm fairly certain that wouldn't be the reason but maybe publishers will come to the conclusion that they'd make more money from making their games xbox exclusive than risk second hand sales on the ps3.

JokesOnYou4695d ago (Edited 4695d ago )

No No aibreeze, thats not logical because going exclusive for a dev although they would get funding from micro still means they lose a larger amount of profits from the ps fanbase, and as for micro this does not benefit them in anyway because they are still going to be out of pocket paying the devs like always to go exclusive while likely generating lower sales because less people want to buy a game they cant resell or that have more restrictions.= Why go through all that trouble when they can just pay for an exclusive outright? Its not like games like Gears of War dont sell a sh*t ton anyway just from new purchases....killing 2nd hand purchases from micros position would be anti-productive, thats more a problem for devs, because micro needs to make money based on game sales AND an accessible console.

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The Idea of Microsoft Sunsetting Xbox Is Absolute Nonsense, but It Exposes a Massive Problem

A few days ago, an interview with Seamus Blackley, designer of the original Xbox, sent shockwaves among the community.

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Christopher1d 20h ago

***This whole conspiracy theory (because that’s what this is) is basically entirely based on the idea that everyone involved is lying to us. ***

C'mon now. It's an opinion. Just like your opinion here. And it's from an industry professional who does have more knowledge than we do on how these things work and access to people inside the industry.

I'm not saying he's right, but you spend all this time arguing his stance and why his words are illogical, but then you go and make this sort of statement? Hypocritical.

SimulationDaily1d 15h ago (Edited 1d 15h ago )

It's from someone who has not worked at Microsoft or anywhere close to Microsoft or even in the gaming industry for over 20 years, and has worked at Microsoft for less than 4 years in total. He doesn't know a single one of the people involed and his experience of the topic is so diluted that he has no more authority than any rando on Reddit.

And almost none of the articles citing this silliness do the bare minimum due diligence to mention that essential context.

When you present a ludicrous hot take from someone who is nowhere near a position to know a thing about what Microsoft is doing today, if you think that readers aren't entitled to be made aware of that, we'll have to agree to disagree.

The truth is that a lot of the media outlets in this industry have chucked the bare minimum of professional reporting ethics into the recycle bin in the name of making a quick buck, and this is a pretty obvious example. This has been going on for years, it sucks, and it's only getting worse.

Misleading information for clicks may not offend you, and that's fine, but as someone who has dedicated the past 25 years of his life to informing people, it certainly offends me, and I see no reason not to express that position. Firmly.

Christopher1d 13h ago

***Misleading information for clicks may not offend you, and that's fine***

You really need to stop with the logical fallacies. There's nothing there that says my opinion on the original matter other than calling out your hypocrisy of doing the same thing you complain they're doing. Not even a part of the conversation.

Also, he didn't do it for clicks, journalists turned it into clicks.

SimulationDaily1d 10h ago (Edited 1d 10h ago )

@Christopher: his opinion is not the problem, besides the fact that it's nonsensical and based on nothing.
The problem is that it has been presented as a take from someone with authority by professionally bankrupt media that fills up the fact that they have nothing relevant to say with fluff for clicks, regardless of the fact that such a presentation ends up misinforming people.

ABizzel116h ago

Regardless of everyone’s opinion, one thing that’s never good is to be in the comments arguing with people on their opinion, about your opinion, especially in a place where you have no monetization.

1Victor14h ago

@simulation
The way I see it you’re flipping the crumpet and assuming that because he hasn’t been a part of Microsoft for so long he don’t have contacts inside or he is exaggerating what we all can see in Xbox history of lies, deception and half truths since the 360 era.
Its very disingenuous of you to come and complain about his opinion when the patterns has been clear for way over a decade.
Microsoft is a corporation here if they don’t dominate they terminate the product you sound old enough to to remember Zune and windows phones you if not ask bing what happened to them.

ApocalypseShadow13h ago

'Xbox Is Being Sunsetted' — Seamus Blackley, One of the Creators of Xbox, Thinks Recent Shakeup Spells the End for Microsoft's Gaming Business

It clearly says that Blackley THINKS...has an, OPINION, on the matter.

I think his opinion hurt you enough that you had to create an N4G article to try and discredit his OPNION. The fact that someone that hasn't been in the industry for years, carries more weight than someone that only has one comment on his video, yours. And, has less than 2 thousand subscribers. What makes your opinion better than his? He's someone that actually worked at Microsoft. What's your background besides MS Flight Simulator and FFXIV videos?

Here's the deal, Microsoft spent upwards of 100 Billion or more to try to beat Sony. They tried to buy industry pillars like Nintendo and Sega who said no. They pretty much created a service to devalue games to try and control the market and failed. They never won a generation. Most powerful system in the world or not. They couldn't do it by undercutting Sony with their Achilles heal of Series S. Nothing the 3 Trillion company could do but end up releasing their games on Nintendo and Sony's platforms. Their competitor's systems. The amount of coping in your defense of the current Microsoft heads is just hilarious. It is true that not having a gaming background means nothing if you can turn a business around. But there's nothing to turn. Outside hardened Xbox fans, there's no reason that any gamer needs an Xbox when the games are releasing on competitor's platforms. Nadella isn't stupid to try and go back to exclusives that Xbox fans don't buy enough of to keep the developers they bought afloat. Heads have to roll. Just like the Sega days of heading into a new direction.

Read the writing on the wall. Xbox as you know it is dying and dead. No game sales numbers. No console sales numbers. Nothing. Nothing will change their transition to third party other than an outright ban of Japanese game consoles. But the backlash would be so severe, that any new Xbox would be boycotted everywhere. If any new system is released, it would be in name only or the fans that are left. A PC with Microsoft's name on it like the Ally and the Quest headset. but nothing more than that. A platform that has never been profitable. A game service that has never been profitable. That was once almost canned by Nadella before.

Land that MS Flight Simulator plane and leave the clouds. It's over for them. She's there only to help their transition. No system they sell will bring them back when they never were leaders to begin with in the industry. I came out of N4G retirement just to say this. Your opinion carries no weight and is unsupported by the facts of where Microsoft's position is currently.

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lodossrage1d 13h ago (Edited 1d 13h ago )

@SimulationDaily

He may not be in the xbox loop anymore. But he'd surely have a better idea than any of us random people commenting would.

And how to WE know he doesn't know any single person involved? It's not like we can see the man's contact list or know his life personally. And all he did was give his opinion. He never said it was fact. An opinion is not misleading info. If he tried to pass off his opinion as FACT, then you'd have something. But that didn't happen.

We can't be mad about someone coming to the man for an interview answering a question he was asked

SimulationDaily1d 10h ago (Edited 1d 10h ago )

He's not in *any* loop, and he has not been for 2 decades.
How do we know? His responses tell us that. Unless you're unable to read between the lines, you can easily see that he's spitballing without any direct knowledge. The fact that he completely ignores the presence of Matt Booty tells us that he didn't even really read the news, let alone have any real knowledge about it.

Who in the world told you that an opinion can't be misleading information? Of course it can be, when it's wrongly presented as the view of someone with authority on a topic, without being contextualized, which is exactly what happened here.

If you don't know a thing about a situation and someone asks to interview you on it, you can say no.

lodossrage1d 10h ago

His response doesn't tell us who he does/ doesn't know regardless of how long he was away from Microsoft. Again, we don't know this man's personal life or professional contacts to speak on such.

And who in the world told me an opinion can't be misleading info, living my life all these years tells me that. If you're presenting an opinion that should tell you it's not fact. No rational thinking person will sit here and misconstrue the two.

And again, he was asked a question. He never presented himself as an authority, he openly admits he hasn't been there in forever. What more context does he need when he already told us he hasn't been there in so long? Nor has he acted like is opinion is fact.

Now can he say "no" or "no comment" when asked a question? Sure he can, but he doesn't HAVE to. He can offer up his opinion the same way we all do here.

And how can you say he's doing this for clicks? He's the interviewee, not the interviewer or site owner. You have to realize with the video you made you can be accused of the same thing you wrongly pointed the finger at him for.

And for the record, since I know how this site is, I'll say this now. No, this isn't an attack on you. I actually like having convos like this that aren't troll based.

SimulationDaily1d 10h ago (Edited 1d 10h ago )

His response is incredibly vague and drifts into the factually incorrect, for example, when he says "It would have been shocking if they had somebody in there in a meaningful role who was passionate about games, passionate about the creator-driven business of games."
Matt Booty is the second-in-command, which is definitely a "meaningful role," and he's very obviously passionate about games and the creator-driver business of games. As a matter of fact, much more (and with much more relevance) than Blackley himself, who dropped the industry and went to do something else 25 years ago.

No one said HE did it for clicks, although all these "former X" usually do this kind of stuff to appear somewhat relevant when they have not been relevant for a long, long time.

The site that interviewed him and the sites/influencers who presented his opinion with no context as authoritative did it for clicks, because they had no access to any the people even remotely involved, and scraped the bottom of the barrel for something to fill the quota and generate some clicks, and they absolutely misled a ton of people into believing that what he says has some merit.

The "massive problem" isn't that he has an opinion. Opinions like his are a dime a dozen. Is that today's gaming press will fill the air with white noise with zero merit, disingenuously painting it as relevant, regardless of whether their readers are misled into believing something that does not exist.

blacktiger16h ago

First of all I did not watch the video but as far as conspiracy theory goes. Here is my take.

The whole idea for everyone to lie to us is about not owning and be happy. But here is the thing why is it so important for everyone to not own and be happy. What does the elite gain whether we own or not. I understand we not owning cars rather rent is what they want.

But why mess around with video games? I tell you why.
Because they don't want to sell "GPU"
GPU is the main problem. GPU is everything! From 3d printing your house to Mining Bitcoin. Not to mention it's the future that can cripple future government.

Profchaos10h ago(Edited 10h ago)

Blackley is the father of Xbox if anyone wants to see it's success it's Blackley

Yet he doesn't think it's long for this world simple as that

I'm more inclined to believe we've been lied to because Xbox has a history of lies and half truths

Stopac5h ago

@SimulationDaily its not a good look for the author of an article to go to the comment section to argue commentors.

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Vits1d 3h ago

Look, I understand the indignation about how the media is talking about this interview. I completely agree on that front. That said, personally, I don’t think Blackley is wrong. Not because he’s a former Xbox executive, but because what he described is something we see time and time again in the corporate world.

If you’ve ever worked in this kind of environment, the sequence of a head leaving, obvious substitute leaving, and then a much younger, completely unrelated executive stepping in feels like déjà vu. Every time we see this pattern, it’s usually because the company is looking for a “shake-up” in a business unit, which often just means restructuring. And restructuring usually means layoffs and shutting things down.

That said, I don’t think Xbox as a brand is going to vanish. What I think is more likely is that the division will be significantly reduced and absorbed into another part of the company.

SimulationDaily1d 2h ago (Edited 1d 2h ago )

Glad you understand my view on the press. It's good that at least someone here does.
That being said, placing Matt Booty as Sharma's vice conflicts with that view. Hiring a young CEO with a background of success and supporting them with a veteran vice president is a completely different scenario then one you describe.
The sole idea that Microsoft would be willing to throw away circa 8% of its revenue because of AI is pretty ridiculous.
And if you listen to the reports, you'll know that Sarah Bond was far from the obvious substitute for Phil Spencer.

Vits1d 2h ago

It’s actually the opposite. If they weren’t planning to completely bulldoze the place, then Sharma would be completely alone with an entirely new leadership team, at their mission would be to turn that ship into something else, but keeping the unit itself. The fact that she got Booty as a second hand, instead of a completely new second hand, tells me that they need someone with "experience" to smooth things over while she bulldozes everything.

And honestly, people would be surprised by how often companies choose to “lose” revenue when they realize they can save the same amount or more by simply exiting or reshaping a business line. And that is before AI, that just promise to do anything and it's currently Microsoft focus.

But time will tell. Let’s revisit this in a couple of years and we will see what actually happened. Unfortunately, and I truly mean that, because I don’t want to be right about this, I’ve seen this pattern play out too many times not to believe I’ll end up being right in the end.

SimulationDaily1d ago (Edited 1d ago )

Absolutely, let's reconvene in a couple of years. I have absolutely zero doubt about being right. Xbox will still be there, likely bigger than it is now.

"Bulldozing" doesn't fit today's Microsoft's MO at all, nor that of 99% of companies. Companies may choose to lose revenue, but that happens on dead weight businesses, which gaming is not.

And even when they do, they don't park a very successful young executive with a spotless career like Asha Sharma on a business they want to drop. Not only is it massively counterproductive for the company, but she'd likely quit, because she has the resume to get a job anywhere that would give her a business she can lead to success, as she has done with literally everything she has touched in the past decade.

Would I rather see a gamer at the top? Sure, but there's zero doubt that Asha Sharma is an extremely capable exec. Her resume proves it, and you don't waste extremely capable executives doing the palliative care doctor thing.

gold_drake1d 2h ago (Edited 1d 2h ago )

i mean, the leadership was changed out rather swiftly, with someone who has no odea of the business the former had atleast some know-how.

i think they are slowly trying to find something else they can make money off of, and xbox might just be the thing thats costing them more than they think its worth.

that's business. unfortunately

SimulationDaily1d ago

Leadership was changed to someone who has plenty of ideas (and plenty of success under her belt) about *business*, supported by someone who has one of the most extensive careers in the gaming industry.

You don't waste a very successful young executive (who Asha Sharma is; her career is spotless) to babysit a business you want to spin down. This is how business works.

ocelot071h ago(Edited 1h ago)

Question - it's obvious the way the Xbox division hasn't performed well for Microsoft for a long time. The hardware sales has been abysmal compared to their only 2 competitors Sony PlayStation and Nintendo Switch.

I agree with you. You don't put someone like her into a position to babysit a business you want to spin down.

But is sunsetting Xbox hardware really spinning down the business? What if she transforms Microsoft Gaming into the number one game developers/publisher's? Bigger than EA and Ubisoft. Microsoft gaming make plenty games each year for every available console, PC, Handheld PC as well as mobile users via cloud.

GotGame81815h ago

Yeah, not worried about it! Microsoft said it's going with PC Architecture next gen! Hopefully Steam ready! Also, hopping it is upgradable, like Sega and Nintendo were 3 decades ago.

No need for a Pro version. Upgrade memory, exchange/add a board. Buying a mid Gen console upgrade last Gen, you could instantly tell the difference. The majority of current gen games optimized for PRO are great, but they certainly don't make me want to Rush out and buy one. I am happy with my PS5.

It brings me to ask, why so many 5 Pro/Vs Switch 2 comparisons? Seems kinda strange.

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What an Xbox founder thinks of the new Xbox CEO | Seamus Blackley interview

Gamesbeat caught up with Blackley to extract some wisdom about Microsoft’s journey in games, what he thinks Sharma should do, and where gaming can go next. Part of his message is hopeful, but Blackley sees a lot of peril on the road that Microsoft is following. And it makes him worry about the future of gaming.

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piroh4d ago

"I expect that the new CEO, Asha Sharma, her job is going to be as a palliative care doctor who slides Xbox gently into the night."

LOL

Anyway, let's wait and see maybe Mia Khalifa will surprise us.

rlow14d ago

I’m on the fence about her. I’ll give her chance, but if she is there to finish things off. Well what can you do.

Abnor_Mal4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

After seeing the article of the possible sunsetting of Xbox as said by Seamus Blackley I believe, I went onto X because of a post I saw. It was a gif of Vegeta powering up, the poster commented as Vegeta yelling “Don’t take my fiercest competitor away from me.” Standing there in his blue Sayian/Freiza corps outfit. So it got me to thinking, so let me ask a question to N4G.

If Vegeta is PlayStation, who would Xbox and Nintendo be in the Dragon Ball universe?

Who would be Master Roshi?

I have my own opinion of course, I just want to see what others think.

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That’s It, I’m Calling It, Xbox Is Dead, Time Of Death February 20

If you read Kotaku even semi-regularly, you already know that Xbox has been in a weird spot for some time now. And with today’s news that both Xbox boss Phil Spencer and President Sarah Bond are leaving and the new head of the brand will be a former Meta exec who previously lead Microsoft’s AI division, I think it’s time to call it. Xbox is dead. Time of death: February 20, 2026

beerhound7d ago

"The report of my death was an exaggeration." = Mark Twain

derek6d ago

"You would have to be alive first before dying" =
Me

Cacabunga6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

This brand died in the last 2 years of 360 since Kinect announcement.. downfall started all of a sudden until reaching the point of no return with xbox 1 DRM disasters

beerhound7d ago

"The report of my death was an exaggeration." - Mark Twain

BehindTheRows7d ago

So ready to defend that you posted it twice.

In any event, I have a more accurate quote: "It's dead, Jim".

S2Killinit7d ago

Also Mark Twain:
I have never wished death on anyone but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure.

Zerobalance7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

God! Xbox dead again! Boring! Boring. Heard it all before.

InUrFoxHole7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

While I normally agree... The future of xbox is on shaky ground. Well, xbox as we know it. Im not sure what they are shooting for but who they put in charge mixed with Phil retiring and bond just flat out leaving. It's not looking good.

REDDURT7d ago

Im with you but in western countries I have noticed a trend to put women in control to prevent any kind of critics.

F0XH0UND9227d ago

Does this coping mechanism normally work for you?

bsingle407d ago

Get ready to hear it a lot more as the final nail goes home.

derek6d ago

Copilot is running the xbox division now, its first official act was fire Spencer and Bond then sell Xbox for scraps.

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Levii_927d ago

Oh come on, Xbox has been dead for at least 10 years now. I think what’s more important right now is Playstation’s death that is very slowly but surely happening through mismanagement and greed.

InUrFoxHole7d ago

Some what agree. Sony is in a better position to unf#$k themselves. Xbox isn't.

Levii_927d ago

True i agree with that, xbox's got nothing

ocelot077d ago

I actually agree sooner Hust is gone the better.

Levii_927d ago

He's being clowned on by the entire internet but i have been clowning on him way before he became CEO. I hate modern PS so much man. To this day i have no idea how Astro Bot happend in this terrible PS era but that was clearly a miracle.

Grilla7d ago

Delusional take, why do xbots always project Xbox’s problems onto PlayStation?

BehindTheRows7d ago

Every. Time! They compare the closing of a studio (one I liked, mind you, but they know their business better than internet dwellers) to the departure of not one but TWO major figureheads at Xbox. On top of Xbox's other problems, they are also now selling their games everywhere (not just PC).

Sorry diehard Xbox fanatics, we've been down this road before. PlayStation has closed studios. It happens. Maybe they weren't pulling their weight. Maybe they have a restructure in place. What ever the case, it won't come any close to tanking their brand. Xbox isn't in that boat. As a piece of hardware, it is all but irrelevant (hanging on only because of Game Pass at this point). It serves no other purpose because you don't even need that console to play its games. If it was just Xbox/PC, that would be different, but here we are.

So, this isn't the SonyToo that y'all love to hang on. Things are not good for Xbox hardware. At all. It is about time to start accepting that.

0hMyGandhi7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

Respectfully, This is probably one of my least favorite tactics in making an argument.
I'll give you an example: If I like the color red, it doesn't mean I hate the color blue.

People lamenting the (potential) demise of the xbox brand has nothing to do with sony or playstation. It has everything to do with xbox. Now, for the sake of argument, you could say that Sony and Microsoft are two peas in a pod, and that they've both made absolutely baffling and worryingly stupid decisions in the recent past. But I truly believe that Xbox would be shooting itself in the foot regardless of Sony's presence (I look at you, Xbox One reveal with always online DRM and the inability to share games).

Sony, on the other hand, is making stupid decisions to stay competitive with the market, and like Microsoft, is seemingly forcing by proverbial gunpoint talented developers to try to make the next GAAS experience and never learning their lesson. I believe that Microsoft squandering RARE is the equivalent of Sony squandering Naughty Dog. Neither platform really knows what they want to be, BUT Sony is alot further along in figuring it out before Microsoft pulls out another revolver and takes aim at another of it's own toes.

Agent757d ago

Xbox died after the Xbox 360. The Xbox One was mediocre, the Series X was game shy. I'm glad Phil is retiring.

S2Killinit7d ago

Exaggerated projection of xbox problems onto Sony. This is what gave xbox the extra slack all these generations to eventually run themselves into the ground.

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The_Blue7d ago

This is why the views and comments are low, with lame articles that use divide-and-conquer pretensions.

ApexLanding237d ago

To be fair "divide and conquer pretensions" have been present in the comment section of this website for years regardless of the articles title, composition or intent. It's therefore unlikely that's what's playing a part in low viewership and commenting.

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