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New Source possibly confirms Durango features – “100% BC, no always-on feature ever considered”

A new source, found by NeoGAF member Cheesemeister, has potentially confirmed the final release specifications and features of Microsoft's upcoming Durango console. And these features are more than what any fanboy could have hoped for.

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NastyLeftHook04799d ago

just wait for the facts, not speculation.

Good_Guy_Jamal4799d ago

Oh so NOW people want to do the sensible thing and wait until Microsoft confirms.
I wonder why that is. Why the change in approach to rumors folks?

iGAM3R-VIII4798d ago (Edited 4798d ago )

Very true, it is because when the rumours is going against them, they feel like it will have an advantage against them. Though mind you, the way you reacted makes you in the image as a Xbox fanboy so in theory you would both be in the wrong so next time I would just suggest not saying anything

Anyway when he says "Durango will be running Windows 8" this will be very interesting. I would want to see how that works out and everything else isn't really new things. This could be the most legit leak possible.

BUT he does say that he was TOLD these rumours which means that this could be less credible.

Nevertheless, if these rumours are true, it would be good to see how MS can utilize these features.

Damn E3 just has to be in June. and the MS reveal and rumoured PS4 reveal have to be in May -_-

reynod4798d ago (Edited 4798d ago )

I am a PC gamer hence not biased to ward any of the consoles. I think PS fans on this site have been rather biased and unreasonable.

When there is a bad rumor for the Xbox they will pretty much rejoice at it, however when a good rumor surfaces most of them will say "oh let MS confirm" lol. Funny how any good rumor for PS is taken as confirmation.

There is actually high chance the next Xbox will feature BC. Reason being Xbox 360 was already very close to PC architecture.

Its hard emulating the CELL with its SPU's however, emulating a PowerPC such as the one on the Xbox 360 shouldnt a challenge to MS.

I would think there is a high chance the next Xbox actually offers BC.

blackstrr4114798d ago

When a sony fan sees something positive bout nextbox rumours they always say let wait for mc to confirm. Pathetic if u ask me

isarai4798d ago

Who says tentonsoftube is one of the same guys who took the other rumors as fact?

papashango4798d ago

good guy jamal...

good guy jamal indeed

talisker4798d ago

@reynod: if you call IBM PowerPC RISC processor from X360 "close to PC", you clearly have no slightest clue what you're talking about.

Good_Guy_Jamal4798d ago

@isarai, check out Hingle's post @1.2 for proof that Tentonsoftube has flip flopped his approach to rumors according to his bias.

Saigon4798d ago

From reading the post, it looks to be fake. After reading through the post, some of the wording is really off. Many times the author refers to MS as his company and then changes and says he is a developer developing a game on the platform. the other item that keyed me a little was that he was directly referring to the Durango. Last I check most leaks referred to the Next Xbox directly and not the development system. Also, some items made no sense what so ever, the 360 SoC combined with the current x86 processor would require a substantial cost to apply development tactics as well as create/manufacture the system.

This is the reason why i would like MS to just release something about the system. At least confirm its existence or provide something because we are going to get fanboys releasing content based on the applied rumors. Other than that we need to wait until the speculative meeting in May or E3.

Peppino74798d ago

Its great news regardless.!

malokevi4798d ago

Positive news? Lets not react hastily, now...

lol. Did I just say that.... N4G?

Boody-Bandit4798d ago (Edited 4798d ago )

I'm a 360 gamer and have been saying all along always-on isn't a deal breaker for me. The only rumor I was/am concerned about is the ability to play used and rental games. As long as MS supports them. I'm golden.

I also have said I'm waiting for E3. I don't buy into rumors, only facts. E3 can't get here soon enough so we will ALL know fact from fiction. WOW what this place will turn into if all these (always-on and wont support used or rentals) rumors were indeed nonsense.

Either way I am so looking forward to next gen. I'm in the process of upgrading my gaming room while waiting on it's arrival.

sikbeta4798d ago

Ohohohohoho! all dat trolling for no reason lol guess some of those who wanted to believe all the bad rumors will hide for some time ;)

MadLad4798d ago

Welcome to N4G.

It's only speculation if it's not confirmed and not pro-Sony related.

ceed9114798d ago

I was going to just comment on this and put "lolz"

but Jamal...my man

superterabyte4798d ago

Actually everyone has been saying wait till Microsoft says something. Including me. Oh and for good measure what do you guys plan on playing next gen?

GameSpawn4798d ago (Edited 4798d ago )

To those saying PowerPC cannot be emulated on an x86 architecture... Apple's Rosetta say's "HI!".

However, Rosetta applications run like a giant turd. It was only meant to transition PPC users to Intel slowly and give developers time to create Universal binaries or purely Intel ones. Apple has since dumped Rosetta in 10.7.x and up.

So, Microsoft "could" do it in software, but it will either run very slow and/or have "glitches".

The only real solution for Microsoft to have 100% BC is to actually put an Xbox SoC (System on a Chip - a combination of the current Xbox PPC CPU and its GPU) in the system along side the x86 hardware (much like Sony did with the PS2 hardware in the first PS3s). This probably won't happen due to the insane overhead involved in the cost of the system and also the heat that would inevitably be generated -- I'm sure you don't want "RRoD-gate 2.0".

bangshi4798d ago

OK so here are some reasons this is a fake.

- He/she claims to not know a lot of things. This is because he/she does not need to know those things. If the person is legit, then that is fine - there is a good chance you only get told what you need to know. However, on that basis - he or she cannot say with any degree of certainty that always-online was never considered. Because he or she said themselves many times in the pastebin, that they don't know everything.

It is therefore likely that they would also not know if at any point it was every considered.

I bet you it was. It is a very, very strong anti-piracy measure. They may not have gone through with the idea, but to say it was never considered? Don't believe it for a moment.

In planning you go all-out. You bring poor ideas to the table, you bring outlandish ideas to the table. Why? Because they can be worked on, fleshed out and turned into a good idea with work or it can spark someone else to say 'ah yeah good idea, but what if instead of xyz we do xyy'.

Another reason is that this person claims to be a Software Engineer but not a game developer.

On that basis, he or she either works for a company developing apps (ie. Netflix) or develops tools/engines for game companies. They don't know about the OS. Netflix devs would as they have to integrate with it - so that only leaves a tools or engine software engineer.

That person would know about how the 360 SoC integrates with the 720. No question. They have to know every in and out of the console.

And even if they weren't told, they would want to know.

Hell even many people on here who are just laymen want to know.

But he/she is dismissing it as no big deal.

Another reason - the controller. They know it looks the same, but feels different, but has never touched it. Bullshit.

One more reason - there is zero new information here, except that the 360 SoC can be utilised alongside the 720 SoC.

Everything else we already knew about. It just looks like they have read the leaked PDF from 2011 as everything in this 'leak' is in that document.

Saigon4798d ago

i don't get it, The rumors that were originally applied to the PS4 and Next Xbox came from very creditable sources. Such sources as Edge, Kataku, IGN, VG, Euro Gamer, NeoGaf, etc. They all seem to have similar rumors. We all considered them creditable, right.

With everything that has established in the last few weeks, we start receiving rumors from unknown sources. The funny part about this is that we are believing these unknown sources and stating their content to be true. My question is why? i don't believe the source because their are too many flaws. there is great content within this rumor posted, but if you look into where the info came from and how it was established, you will see it a fishy. 'Something Smells'. I just trying to figure out why the sudden change.

My stance is that we wait until MS confirms the details of their console. Sony has already confirmed the majority of the PS4 system and there is still more to learn.

Godz Kastro4798d ago

All of the sudden... Plus 1 Jamal

fr0sty4798d ago (Edited 4798d ago )

Why assume that tentonsoftube was one of those people who was jumping to conclusions before? That only makes you look stupid if it isn't true. If it is, providing evidence would be a good idea.

KwietStorm_BLM4798d ago

Lol why does someone always act like one voice of reason is flip flopping? Like they speak for everyone?

adorie4798d ago

Sigh. Regardless of what rumors, we should always wait for the facts. I'm going to come back and see disagrees but that's okay, there's plenty of irrational people on this site which kills any surprise for going against logic.

In the spirit of things, everyone gets a bubble, then I'm gone.

brich2334798d ago

Because its to good to be true, lol

asmith23064798d ago

That is not true at all. Any recent article I have seen about the PS4 or next Xbox has always been filled with people saying wait for an announcement. Stop trying to get a dig in at something that wasn't there.

andibandit4798d ago (Edited 4798d ago )

@saigon

I read the post right after reading your comment. The difference in wording is because the author refers to diffrent sources. Also i could find a single sentence where the author refers to ms as his company.....please give an in context example

On a personal note, ill believe it when the words come out ms mouth

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blackmagic4798d ago (Edited 4798d ago )

Emulators to run powerpc software on x86 processors such as pearpc and sheepshaver have been around forever, run fast and are extremely stable and a new ati gpu being able to run code for an old ati gpu is obviously going to be easy. Backwards compatibility seems like a no-brainer to me.

AlphaJunk4798d ago

I am a M$ fan and don't see the problem or why anyone else is concerned or has a problem with what I support or how I spend my freakin' money. I'm pretty sure anyone that is making my product choices their concern should be worried about themselves and why they care what I am buying since it is really only a consumer product.

NewMonday4797d ago

this sounds more realistic than previous rumors, but their are 2 sticking points to this:

* how can the separate 360 SOC add to the overall Durango power without complicating development just to get about 15% extra power?

* how can the games for windows tie to the Durango marketplace? do they have one royalty rate and one submission process?

MysticStrummer4797d ago

"Oh so NOW people want to do the sensible thing and wait until Microsoft confirms.
I wonder why that is. Why the change in approach to rumors folks?"

As if MS fans haven't done the exact same thing, just in the opposite way. They've rejected negative rumors as hearsay, then pointed at positive rumors and squealed with joy. Let's keep it real.

ziggurcat4797d ago

@ good_guy_jamal

"Oh so NOW people want to do the sensible thing and wait until Microsoft confirms.
I wonder why that is. Why the change in approach to rumors folks?"

oh, so NOW you're choosing to accept this rumour as fact just because it contradicts the negative rumours...

JP13694797d ago

I like how you say that as if he must be a Sony fanboy since he wants to wait for MS to comment. The article states that the VGLeaks are accurate about everything except the 360 SOC, which would mean this new rumor corroborates the old rumor of the new Xbox being slower than PS4. So I ask you, why would anyone that's asking for us to wait for confirmation have any ulterior motive against MS? His response is nothing more than the sensible reply to what is basically the same basic rumor. Backwards compatibility isn't that big of a deal. I use it just as much on my Slim PS3 as I did on the fat, which is never. If MS does offer it, good for them. Having said that, it's not as if that's the thing that will sway the market in their favor if they don't already have a lot of other things going for them.
P.S. To anyone that actually thinks a CPU/GPU from 2005 is going to add significantly to the power of the system, you're kidding yourself. It'd be great if they could use it to run kinect and OS though.

Army_of_Darkness4797d ago

Cool... Now I won't have to feel sorry for the xbox 720 owners;-)

SkyGamer4797d ago

I always knew that bc would be there. MS owns the ChipSets in the X360. Why go through all that trouble not to offer bc????

bakasora4797d ago

Now this changes everything

elmaton984797d ago

Rumors are rumors but what is being said of the ps4 is true and besides if what this guys are saying it's true then I can't wait to hear what ms has in store for all of us.

Saigon4797d ago

@andibandit

After reading it over once again, a few hours later, he didn't make that reference, and i apologize for the confusion on my end, but it still doesn't change my stance about creditable sources. Technically MS and Sony is the most creditable you can get when gathering information but there are some websites that have very detailed and contain creditable information as I stated in my first post on this subject. Because the source is coming from some run of the mill person that created and then deleted their account on NeoGaf within minutes of posting the content (a little exaggeration on my end) seems a little suspect. And people are stating this as truth. It kind of reminds me of that Russian Website that laid out all the plans for the Next Xbox and the PS4 and implied how the Next Xbox had all this content. Later it was discovered as rubbish.

Coming into the Next generation I sort of expected the Next Xbox to be very powerful in comparison to the PS4; though every creditable source is stating otherwise. i don't care which is more powerful because I am going to get both regardless. My main problem in this case is not the system but the source.

My whole point is that I can't understand why people believe this mess and it hasn't come from a true creditable source such as MS or Sony itself.

CommonSense4797d ago (Edited 4797d ago )

Jamal, I think we all know the answer to this... These people are idiots. A disgrace to the gaming community.

@reynod: "I think PS fans on this site have been rather biased and unreasonable."

that's putting it mildly. these people are complete douche bags.

nix4797d ago

everyone took "always online" as a rumour in the beginning but there were lot's of devs talking/discussing about it.. which never let the topic die. and then let's not forget the twitter fiasco. i mean that one incident made everyone think it was true.

there were so many circumstances that actually led everyone believe that it was true.

Karpetburnz4797d ago

You know this kind of goes both ways, When Its negative rumours Xbox fanboys say "Its only a rumour, wait for the facts" but if its a positive rumour Xbox fanboys all agree with it.

You cant call out a single group of fanboys for doing this, both PS3 and Xbox fanboys will only want to believe what ever rumour suits them.

gigoran4797d ago

And what you are doing is any different? Oooooook....

360ICE4797d ago

How do all of you guys get "Well said"? Not one of you said anything well.

Anyway, naturally hoping these rumors are true.

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SkyGamer4795d ago

It's not a hard concept. The only thing you need is the triple core processor. The memory can be shared, beef up the eDRAM to 32 MB instead of 10 and a newer ATI video card with x86 cpu. The only tricky part would be to use the triple core dual thread alongside the 8 core x86. If they can achieve that, they would have a clear advantage. Triple core running at 3.2 ghz w/dual threads to work alongside 8 x86 cores w/32 mb eDRAM and 8 GB DDR3? Bring it on Micro!

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Hingle_Mcringleberry4799d ago

Wait and see he says. . .
http://n4g.com/news/1226161...
http://n4g.com/news/1226430...
http://n4g.com/news/1226433...
http://n4g.com/news/1226306...

Not once did you display this "sensibility" when you were commenting on the xbox always online rumors.
You seemed to have such colorful opinions towards the other rumors, why aren't you extending the same level of interest and imagination to these more positive rumors? I mean you were ready to take those negative rumors as fact!

Help your old buddy Hingle understand why you're suddenly so sensible as Jamal puts it. . .You're just full of it aren't you? Aint no explanation necessary.
And by it I mean dung!

WalterWJR4798d ago

I hope one day you will also stalk jamal

Saigon4798d ago

Well, my problem is that it seems fake, that is if you evaluate the original posts.

miDnIghtEr20C_SfF4798d ago

What's funny is all the agrees he gets on his speculation of bad durango rumors. :D LOL.. classic.

Godz Kastro4798d ago (Edited 4798d ago )

Owned!!!!

The internet has a way of following you around. Dont forget that...

gobluesamg4798d ago

What a waste of your time to look for those comments. wtf

specialguest4797d ago

Thank you Mr Mcringleberry. Always wanted to catch these lil rascals in the act, but I'm glad you did. Fanboys will be fanboys, but there are a certain breed that are flip-floppers which are the worst.

zeee4797d ago

I own both 360 and PS3 but I game more on my PS3 than 360. A lot more. I also believe that Sony's rules this generation when it comes to software power. They have diverse amount of games for everyone! Do I hate my 360? Helllll noo! Why would I? Do I get paid by SONY or MS? It's quite the opposite actually.

I am glad that this rumor is out and about. I am getting SICK AND TIRED of these articles about XBOX 720 having always online features and what not.

Seriously, gamers need to shut up and play their games on their choice of platform. I have been saying this for so long, we should wait till E3.

We as gamers should WANT to see Nintendo, Sony and MS do well. We need a healthy competition between these companies. It only helps our cause.

And yeah, I have been saying that for a long time. You can even check my comment history.

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HarryMasonHerpderp4798d ago (Edited 4798d ago )

They will have a pretty big advantage over Sony if this is true. A lot of people will big this up as the sole reason to go with the next Xbox over the PS4.
For me personally though it really doesn't matter.
I'm only interested in next gen games for next gen consoles. I wish Microsoft would just announce their console already! too many rumours! XD

Kyosuke_Sanada4798d ago

It's what keeping the spotlight on the console and if I was Microsoft I would try to estimate a peak before releasing any news. The interwebs is such a fickle beast.......

Godz Kastro4798d ago (Edited 4798d ago )

I could do with out BC on the 360 although I want it. Same with ps4, I didn't own a ps3 for most of this gen and their are some exclusives I want to play. I want to know what all the hub-bub about journey is and last of us.

So... I hope both systems do it...
-PS cause I haven't played their games
-XBOX - because I've kept games I like and would like to keep some of them. Like the COD Zombie games...

rainslacker4797d ago

Running the 360 processor in parallel was the most interesting thing. It seems that goes against the rumored Mini/Durango leak last week though.

Interesting concept, but seems like it wouldn't be practical from a timing perspective.

I'm with you though. I'm ready for MS to announce it so we can stop speculating and hopefully having the start of the thread filled with fan boy nonsense.

THE TRUTH4798d ago (Edited 4798d ago )

I can't agree with the rumor based on the fact that this "insider" would have to be really high on the food chain to know 100% without a doubt that microsoft NEVER considered a always online console.

I think the truth about durango is probably somewhere in the middle of the negative and positive rumors. Microsoft just needs to announce the console and clear up all this BS.

MariaHelFutura4798d ago

Yep. When multiple rumors start popping up there is usually some truth to them. They just suffer the sewing circle effect and end up exaggerated or under stated.

rainslacker4797d ago

I wouldn't doubt that all the big 3 considered it. I also believe that all the big 3 decided it would be a bad idea, and that the market isn't ready for it.

I know I talked a lot of hate about the idea, but never believed MS would make a mistake that big.

MariaHelFutura4798d ago

This is great (if true). I don't care much for b/c, but always on makes it a no go for me.

OlgerO4798d ago

If these rumours are true then my interest in the next xbox has been sparked. Cant wait to see what they do with the thing. I hate monthly subscriptions though so if it has that to play online then i wont even consider it.

dcbronco4798d ago

@THE TRUTH

I'm not sure that person would have to be so high. It say's the truth was hidden until now. That makes perfect sense and jibes with the rumor last week that the Durango has dual APUs. Now that we're within a month or two of a reveal(and point of no adjustments before launch), it was time to give the developers the big picture.

The big question is whether or not this is the same exact chip or a new and improved chip. An improved chip could handle services and BC at the same time. I would think it's an updated chip. Maybe a Power7 CPU attached to the long rumored 6670 GPU. Still the same basic architecture so it will run 360 games, but far more powerful and still very cheap. That would be a huge amount of power. And AMD has been adding ARM cores to APUs for security so that part could still be true.

Also and this would have bigger implications to me. If the OS is full blown Windows(maybe Blue) will it be able to play PC games. I would think not because they get no license fee for that. But it would open up a ton more games to Durango. But there were also those rumors that the Windows 8 store would be accessible on the Xbox.

OC_MurphysLaw4798d ago

I agree, the biggest part of this rumor is the OS allowing games for pc to be played. Probably not full blown pc games but I certainly could see the indie stuff that is present in the Windows 8 store having no issue assuming controller support is present. This could also explain why MS was not so active on the indie scene at GDC, they feel confident they will get indies with a cheap license fee. Also explains why they dropped XNA support. All again "if true".

headblackman4798d ago

I was thinking the something on the next Xbox being able to play PC games. they Xbox may not have the license (or they may) but on the back of every PC game it says compatible with Windows (and then it gives the versions of windows along with the minimal to best specs to play the game on) so that could be the loop hole or the plan the whole time since xbox 360

THE TRUTH4797d ago

Obviously this insider would have to have know about the entire process from start to finish to know with 100% certainty that Microsoft NEVER even though of an always in console. Its not a debatable agrument. I'm not saying he/she is not in the know all I am saying is that this insider source is high up or is BS.

I'm sure whatever Microsoft Has up there sleeve it's somewhere in the middle of the negative and positive Rumors. I don't at all believe that Durango using 360 APU will drastically improve Durangos processing power. That just doesn't make sense.

rainslacker4797d ago

I think PC gaming would be done through something like what GFWL was doing. There is no way MS would allow unlicensed or unsigned code to run on the machine out of the box, and that is what PC software is.

MS would provide the market, and PC devs/pubs could decide to just use a base spec in order to release it on the system, with MS taking a cut. Much like Google or Apple do with their respective stores.

It could also open up the indie scene much like XNA was supposed to do if they have a reasonable marketplace that is heavily visited.

Could be quite a boon for them against Steambox if it gets the major PC AAA support.

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avengers19784798d ago

Possibly confirms... Is that like kinda sort of maybe.
The rumors that bug me are focus on casual and kinect centric.
I'm sure at E3 they will show lots of games, but will they be more core or more kinect.
The head to head battle between Sony an ms should be fun.
The competition between the 2 has really been beneficial to gamers as a whole

DeadlyFire4798d ago

Always on is true. Just not in the way people think. Sony has confirmed PS4 is always on and instant load up. This is likely the only always on that the X720 has for it as well.

Someone smeared the wording I believe into thinking online was even part of it.

iGamerZero244798d ago

Battery's in the new controller doesn't sound next gen IMO to be homes ! Heck Nintendo's pro controller had 80hrs of battery life ,.so there's no reason for battery packs ! It's 2013 MS...

AngelicIceDiamond4798d ago (Edited 4798d ago )

"just wait for the facts, not speculation."

Ok, I been saying that when the negative rumors were floating about, why is this so different now this is a positive rumor?

This

"The only thing that I do know for definite is that Durango will be running Windows 8. It will essentially be the full version of the OS, minus the desktop side of things. This means it’ll be running the new WinRT framework, which as a side effect also means that contrary to popular belief MS will be the most indie friendly of all the big 3 next gen.
This is because any app/game that is created for the Windows app store will (after adding controller support of course) be playable on Durango.
In other words, any random person worldwide can pay Microsoft a $60 license fee (for the Windows Store) and submit their app/game to the store where millions of people can then download/buy it. No expensive development kits needed."

That would be MONSTROUS. Though I disagree with @Tube we do have to wait for MS word so, its all just rumors.

EDIT: the fact that MS (rumored) will support full backwards compatibility does mean that MS does care about the gamer.

Its what I've been preaching for months now. MS has waaay more teams/support working on this thing. its unfortunate 360 got caught in the middle of MS internal development and growth going into next gen therefor MS couldn't "multitasks" as well with the 360 near the end of its cycle.

Releasing apps while making casuals and developing hardcore titles. Now Obviously that last one wasn't possible with MS because allot of the devs were hard at work with the 720 the past 2 or 3 of years.

To keep this short and sweet MS has more teams and support with the 720 then they ever did with the 360. And a new found openess with indies so expect a bunch of hardcore exclusive titles at E3 as well as great indie support.

if true, the possibilities can be endless.

Cueil4797d ago

many of the games already have Xbox native controller support

MYSTERIO3604798d ago

''AA batteries will make a return'' I hope this is not true, its 2013 i don't want AA batteries but integrated rechargeable ones.

Crazay4798d ago (Edited 4798d ago )

I really have no stomach for integrated rechargeable batteries. The simple fact that I've had to shell out $50+ per controller on my PS3 just because the batteries have stopped charging is more than a little piss off when interchangeable batteries with AA or even AAA batts would have been a simple and inexpensive solution.

What I would like is the ability to toss in off the shelf rechargeables into the controller and allow the controller to recharge them when plugged in.

crazysammy4798d ago

@Crazay don't you think you spend more than $50 on batteries in the same amount of time a PS3 controller dies? I have had DS3s last for YEARS. That would have been easily over $100 in batteries.

I agree though the removable rechargeable would be nice so you don't lose a controller just because a battery dies.

MYSTERIO3604798d ago (Edited 4798d ago )

@crazysammy. Yeah totally agree, removable rechargeable would be a lot better then having to deal with constantly buying and swapping AA batteries.

GetSnooked4797d ago

"don't you think you spend more than $50 on batteries in the same amount of time a PS3 controller dies? "

Nope, When the Xbox 360 released I bought 15 minute rechargable batteries for the controllers. Now here in 2013, I'm still running on those same batteries.

Personally, I'd prefer the rechargable battery method, that way when the batteries begin to die I'd just buy another two batteries.

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3-4-54798d ago

Actually makes the Durango sound liek it might be worth buying then, or it sounds better than it previously did.

BC is huge...Controller staying the same is huge....Any windows games playable on Durango is huge for gamers and indie market.

If these are true they have an effective counter-punch to Sony.

I still really like what Sony has done with the PS4 though, but I've always loved 360's controller.

I'm glad the choice is actually possibly a hard one now though instead of a no brainer towards PS4.

showtimefolks4798d ago

I am tired of these rumors or so called confirmed by unknown sources

Can't wait for E3 so we get everything from the console makers them self

But BC
And not always on is a good start MS

I bought the original 60GB ps3 with BC and maybe used it twice so for me personally BC is over rated, I plan on keeping my current gen systems for a while after new ones come out

Thabass4797d ago

Why do 100+ people disagree with this.

100+ are fucking idiots.

coolbeans4797d ago

It's the irony behind who's stating it. This same poster ran amok during the Orth twitter fiasco predicting MS' doom when there's been no substantiated evidence of an "always-on" console.

Thabass4797d ago

@coolbeans - Oh, I see. Well, then I guess that is kinda lulzy.

dcbronco4797d ago

@THE TRUTH

You'd be surprised how much information gets down to lower level employees. There are always "trusted" people that have closer relationships with higher ups than usual that get information most don't have. I worked at a law firm(a well known NY firm) when I was twenty for years and I knew about things most of the other employees never knew about. Personal and business related. It all depends on who you become friends with.

What the 360 APU would bring would be dependent on whether or not it's just the same chip and how they use it. Even if it is the same chip and they use the GPU for compute, it would help in physics and AI. If they modify the parts to work on more like the the AMD design it could act as a discrete GPU.

MS has done a lot of that type of work on their own. The 360 APU was made by them and their design had to be slowed down because it was faster than the parts before MS combine them. I'm sure the parts will be modified to some extent to make them more efficient at the least. But there is a better chance I believe that they will upgrade the parts to vastly increase the power of the console.

APUs can work in parallel. AMD has worked on that before. And modifications that Jaguar brings is all about making separate parts work together including discrete GPUs. These chips write to the same memory address(CPU and GPU). There is no reason to believe more than one APU can't do this. MS patents show system that appear to be built in that way. Look at the PSU link below. MS has been working on this for years.

http://www.psu.com/forums/s...

Cueil4797d ago

<_< that looks a ton like the 720 stuff leaked around... makes me wonder... also I assume only the 360 APU chip will be on board and that thing probably cost hardly anything... if you can off load stuff onto that APU that would help in some of the more mundane task

kenshiro1004797d ago

I've said before that all we're hearing are rumors...

dcbronco4797d ago

Rain,

Normally I would agree about the security aspects of mods and PC code in general. But remember the admitted system architecture leak. It contained ARM cores and the main reason was for TrustZone.

http://www.arm.com/products...

Also AMD figured out a way to place an ARM core on their APUs for security.

http://www.engadget.com/201...

So while it would be open, it should be safe. The inclusion of TrustZone makes you wonder if the next Xbox will be more open. This also may be the reason they dropped XNA. Everything will be moved to the Windows side and still work on the Xbox.

I think there is a lot of truth to the newer rumors. The others were too stupid and self destructive. The newer rumors make more sense. Mark Cerny said that most developers weren't using the full capability of the APUs with the first games. Much like the PS# and 360. So MS holding back the 360 APU wouldn't have mattered. But now that the release is closer and developers have final dev kits, more people have the opportunity to see what is really under the hood.

I think MS has some major surprises in the coming months. Maybe even a Summer 360 S type release. Some people have already set money aside. Many will be working Summer jobs and others will just go with a subscription and subsidized console. The next couple of months will be very interesting. Silence may be golden once more.

CommonSense4797d ago

Right, this is what i would expect people to say once the rumors are positive.

you people couldn't wait to criticize MS when you thought the always-on rumors were true.

damn, this community sucks.

TheSaint4797d ago

Apparently they want to wildly speculate instead. Can't believe you got that many/any disagrees.

otherZinc4797d ago

Yeah, I knew it. I fully expect for the 720 to be backwards compatible, among other things.

However, I'll still wait for M$ to confirm this. I also knew M$ wasnt going to respond to SONY announcing the PS4; M$ didnt have to. SONY isn't a threat to the 360 at this time.

Also, SONY is at a disadvantage with backwards compatibility with the PS4, also, with their PSN transferring all current PS3 games & information to the PS4. M$ will have that ready day 1, SONY wont.

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famoussasjohn4798d ago

Gotta love the wording in all these rumors lol.

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ThatCanadianGuy5144799d ago

Well how could i NOT believe a random guy on the internet, named cheesemeister..

Gimmemorebubblez4799d ago

These rumors are better then the VGleaks ones but I just smell something fishy or should I say cheezy?

Virus2014798d ago

VGleaks even posted the news on their site.

http://tinyurl.com/dx9co2j

nrvalleytime4798d ago

@Virus201 Right - this is a good rumor, even if it's still a rumor. Here's hoping it's true.

ALLWRONG4798d ago

So now you suddenly don't believe in rumors or random guys on the internet?

Funny because both you DayZ and Beggingforbubbles believe the always on rumors.

http://n4g.com/user/comment...
http://n4g.com/user/comment...

And people wonder why the PS fanbase always look like fools. Easy to do when you flip flop right before everyone's eyes.

torchic4798d ago (Edited 4798d ago )

what the hell do you people who dig through comment histories do with your lives???

get out, smell the air, examine the sand, play with some bugs, climb a tree!
as one of my favourite bands once said:

"never underestimate the daylight, there it's so much easier to breathe!"

Irishguy954798d ago

"Digging through comments" Takes about 15 seconds of scrolling

ArmrdChaos4797d ago

There are search tools available if you choose to use them. Maybe some of them trolls should go get some air too...I don't see you mention anything about them. Maybe if more were held accountable for the crap they say then maybe the social aspect of this site would improve. Alas...they just create new accounts...need to fix that.

Karpetburnz4797d ago

Again, this goes both ways, I could say the same thing for Xbox fanboys who dismissed negative rumours because they diddnt want to believe them, now a positive rumour pops up and now fanboys saying they believe it to be true and dissagree with anyone who says "its just a rumour"

The Xbox fanboys calling out others for being hypocrites are actualy being hypocrites themsleves in the process.

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HyperBear4799d ago

If, and thats one big IF, Microsoft come out with these speculations as made by the NeoGAF member:
1. Always Online not required to play games offline
2. Xbox 360 SOC --> 100% Full Backwards compatible with all Xbox 360 games right out of the box
3. Xbox 360 SOC --> Used to help increase 720's processing abilities
4. A slightly revamped controller with new d-pad and lower latency

I'd say those announcements would be well received by everyone. All they would have to do now would be to announce launch/price information and show off a lot of GAMES!

Dno4798d ago

i gotta say I have to agree. I got every system first day and Wii and WII u and now 360 (first years off 360 was awesome now its a DVD player) i dont even play anymore.

Between PC and ps3 i had all the games i wanted. So this gen i was gonna get ps4 and and wait for a nice 720 bundle. but this info looks really good. Might have to look into it more. I wish i had waited on the Wii u tho. i havent played that since it came out. worst first year ever.

kneon4798d ago

If they have gone this route then not everyone will be happy. If they include the 360 guts along with kinect then you can expect the next xbox to be the most expensive next gen console.

dcbronco4798d ago (Edited 4798d ago )

If it's just a regular 360 SoC then it will have little to do with the price. That thing cost them less than a Blu-ray drive now. How do you think they can have a $99 Xbox Mini? Because that chip cost next to nothing. Considering it will be 32nm or even 28nm, it should be no more than $10 to make.

Unless they update it a lot. But the cost will still be no more than $20-25.

kneon4798d ago

It's not just the cost if the chip. Integrating a secondary processing unit increases the complexity of the motherboard and the software, and increases the power and cooling requirements, all that adds to the cost.

malokevi4798d ago (Edited 4798d ago )

Fine by me. A bit of extra money, a bit of added processing power, and full backward compatibility? boooo hooooo.

Whereas playstation owners will watch their entire PS3 library go obsolete as fast as their console dies.

kneon4798d ago

I don't care about the cost but for many it is an issue.

I think the better approach for both companies would have been to make an external module for backwards compatibility.

They could use something like ePCIE or Thunderbolt to connect to a box with just the processing guts of the console, it would make use of the internal storage, optical drive and video output capabilities of the host machine.

In fact this approach would allow it to also connect to a PC and with the right software it would to turn it into an XBox/PS3.

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JamieL4798d ago

To be honest if you can use your 360 controller with it would be the best news possible for me. I had to have a custom controller made so I can play do to a motorcycle wreak I was in that left my right (dominate of course) arm flail (or useless). Evil Controllers got with me and helped design something I could use, for example I control the left stick with my right foot, at first it was the right stick, but I switched it so I could aim with my hand, and I have an adapter that lets me use it on my PS3 as well, but If it can be used with the next Xbox it would be a godsend to me.

Cueil4797d ago

if not then start a fundable and let us know so we can donate to get you another custom controller

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai37d ago (Edited 37d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio37d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing37d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9237d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit37d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing37d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9237d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay39d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn239d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers39d ago (Edited 39d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn239d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown39d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos39d ago (Edited 39d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay39d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay39d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac38d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger39d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300039d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde39d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood39d ago (Edited 39d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde39d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7540d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_38d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.