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Microsoft Said to Adopt AMD Chips for Next Xbox Console - Bloomberg

Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) will use an Advanced Micro Devices Inc. (AMD) processor in its next Xbox game console as it seeks to cut the cost of building machines and get developers to create more titles, people with knowledge of the matter said. AMD surged the most in almost two years.

The Xbox will use an AMD system-on-a-chip that combines powerful “Jaguar” central processing units with graphics chips, said one of the people, who sought anonymity because the plans aren’t public. The shift to the so-called x86 format ubiquitous in modern personal computers means Microsoft will drop the Power PC technology designed by International Business Machines Corp. (IBM), and game discs made for the current Xbox 360 won’t be compatible.

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Pandamobile4808d ago

Poor Nvidia, they're only swimming in the cash that rolls in from desktop and mobile GPU divisions, lol.

If AMD hadn't scored all of the console deals, they'd be in a world of hurt, whereas the only thing that Nvidia misses out on is a bit of extra profit.

BitbyDeath4808d ago (Edited 4808d ago )

They must be hurting a bit considering all the crying they did a week or two ago.

jukins4808d ago

haha they're not "rolling" in the cash. they're high end graphics cards are a niche market believe it or not. and as for the mobile gpu division haha samsung/qualcom say hi. nvidia, while stable for now, has been on a downhill roll for the past few years just like amd, just not as bad.

nvidia really isnt in a place where they can "miss extra profit" as you say. they're projections have fallen short quarter after quarter for a few years. I dont know any chip maker who wouldnt want to potentially sell upwards of 150+million chips along with the branding that comes with powering consoles.

SilentNegotiator4808d ago (Edited 4808d ago )

Yeah, Nvidia doesn't care about missing out on profit just because it's a little more thin than they tried to demand.

/s

Seriously, convinced yourself yet? No company loses 3 massive business partners and goes "lol, who cares?" like some of their fans.

Pandamobile4808d ago

They didn't "lose", they opted out.

Personally, I'm glad they did considering that could have been one of the final nails in AMD's coffin. Poor bastards lost over a billion dollars last year.

iamgoatman4808d ago

Get with the times Panda! It's now cool to hate Nvidia, and remember a couple of statements, although stating the obvious but still no less true, now constitutes as "crying" or being "butthurt". You know how the sheep on this site work.

M-M4808d ago

@Pandamobile

Talk about missing the point.

SilentNegotiator4808d ago (Edited 4808d ago )

"They didn't "lose", they opted out"

They couldn't negotiate a deal to continue with 3 major clients. The completely fell out of the game console industry.

That is a loss, regardless of whether they claim to have been the ones to decide to not finalize a deal. They broke up with me, I broke up with them...doesn't matter, you lost a partner.

N4g_null4808d ago

The 8 gig ram design is done already. Ms only has to pay for it. Sony may have signed a deal for it to not come out on the pc side but they may have forgotten about the Xbox. Only amd has a patient on the design which is why they are pushing HSA and not Sony.

nix4808d ago

i think i've seen it all... Nvidia and AMD fanboyz. like really????? O:

Pandamobile4808d ago

Nobody here gave two craps about Nvidia and AMD until it was announced that AMD would produce the PS4's APU, and then Nvidia said the PS4's APU was comparable to a mid-range PC CPU or something.

Somehow N4G interprets that as Nvidia "crying".

Saigon4808d ago

Well, there it goes...its official. Now the other issue I saw was in the first paragraph, or was it the second. We all speculated whether or not the Next Xbox would be compatible with the previous and it looks like its not. Both Next Generation Consoles look to start from scratch. Man this is going to be interesting, when the rest of the gaming world finds out about this. Can't wait for E3.

nukeitall4808d ago (Edited 4808d ago )

There is a reason why Nvidia operates at a profit, while AMD is well close to being un-investable!

I love consoles, but reality is that Nvidia has closely chosen it's business wisely. After 7-years and only $500 million on the PS3 for nvidia, that is hardly enough to put skilled engineers on the task, when they could be building that $500 million profit *yearly* product.

I know all you "fans" don't want to hear that, because it hurts your feelings, but AMD is in this, because AMD *needs* the business, not because they necessarily wants it.

geassdanny4807d ago

Expect more cry baby news from Nvidia soon!

SephirothX214807d ago (Edited 4807d ago )

AMD are over 100 million in debt whereas Nvidia is booming.

http://www.bit-tech.net/new...

Yeah they're butthurt all right.

givemeshelter4807d ago (Edited 4807d ago )

Actually Nvidia has won very little Mobile GPU contracts with the Tegra 3. If they did not score the design win for the Nexus 7, they pretty much would have been non existent in the mobile realm. The majority of the mobile devices rocking the Tegra Line of GPU's is minimal and those phones sold less the most. Here's hoping the Tegra 4 meets expectations in sales and performance unlike the Tegra 2, and Tegra 3 SOC that failed to wow in performance.
Saying that, Nvidia is doing extremely well financially compared to AMD.
It's just their Mobile Solutions are real mediocre for Tablets and Phones.
Tegra 4 I am hoping kicks ass

ProjectVulcan4807d ago (Edited 4807d ago )

Nvidia is a very profitable company with cash reserves, AMD is a company teetering on major debt and struggling to find revenues against harsh competition from Intel and Nvidia.

Nvidia record profit and growth year on year: http://www.bit-tech.net/new...

http://www.technologytell.c...

AMD cashflow problems and downrating of debt by ratings companies.

I am quite sure Nvidia wouldn't mind creating a part for a console if the price was right. But knowing their current situation and AMD's I don't know why anyone would think Nvidia are in any trouble missing out on a console contract.

AMD need it badly, even on wafer thin margins.

Dee_914807d ago (Edited 4807d ago )

@Pandamobile
I just went PC/ Laptop shopping (browsing)while I was out.
60% had Amd Hardware 35% had intel hardware give or take. I saw 1 with nvidia out of 3 stores.Walmart Best Buy & Staples.I think your talking out your rear end sir.
Either that or they are rolling in old money because right now I cant find a Laptop or PC ( in store ) with nvidia hardware if I tried.
If your not selling well overrall then sell a little more than average ofcourse your gonna see profits.Same for AMD just vice versa.

ProjectVulcan4807d ago

Nvidia's markets are more desktop parts with OEMs and they have grown because of their mobile penetration and workstation business. Not to mention Nvidia landing major supercomputer contracts for hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of Teslas at a time. http://www.anandtech.com/sh... Like this recently for example.

But anyway, more about the consoles-

The leaks since like November last year had the next xbox down as the same CPU inside PS4, a Jaguar 8 core, but with a lesser GPU (2/3 the performance of PS4) and some additional coprocessor bits and pieces thrown in.

PS4 would be quite a bit more powerful if this is really true.

sikbeta4807d ago

Look at that reply, you really invested on Nvidia stocks, nevermind you sure are one of those elitists who pay 1000 US a month to change teh graphicz cardz, dat rig yo! XD

O-T

Thanks for the info we all know for Months already e_e

RumbleFish4807d ago

Nvidia can't be so poor, they get lots of my money every year because their GPUs really rock my house! ;)

Gamer19824807d ago

Nvidia make a LOT of money these days from graphics chips in mobile phones more than graphics cards. Consoles would have been a massive coup for them but it wasn't to be. AMD will be happy for this move.

Ritsujun4807d ago

That's why nVitch's so mad.

hiredhelp4807d ago

AMD did loose alot of money last year but mainly from there Processor market.
Unlike Nvidia AMD has been around alot longer and handles alot more than GPU chips oh btw the GPU was the strongest in sales I beleave to there CPUs because of Intel.
I think AMD gonna start to shine again, backing all consoles Nintendo Microsoft and Sony is only gonna be very profitable while still doing what they do best video cards baby.

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zeal0us4808d ago

Nvidia have itself to blame.

N4g_null4808d ago

For profits in the pc market.

sikbeta4807d ago

Nvidia is rich as s#*t, the hell are you talking about!? you do realise there are people out there paying ONE THOUSAND US DOLLARS for the latest graphic card? ... gotta impress the other nerds on the interwebz lol

B-radical4808d ago

This just in.......17hrs ago

Dan ‏@superDaE 17h
@listens2music Xbox Next will most likely have backwards compatibility.

ILive4808d ago

Dude, give it up already.

NYC_Gamer4808d ago

AMD needed these console deals a lot more..AMD is on the slide and taking beatings from both Intel[cpu] and Nvidia[gpu] in the market..

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4808d ago (Edited 4808d ago )

You do realize Nvidia only made 500 million over 7 years with ps3? Nvidia made 1.2 billion in feb 2013 .
http://articles.marketwatch...

poor Nvidia indeed.

I am pretty sure they will beat 500 million this year in profit.

The worst cpu company making the best console nice..

Why is it that sony comes to Nvidia and nvidia says kick rock then they go amd and u say poor Nvidia?

How does this make sense?

"Nvidia turned down chance to build PS4 components"
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/r...

No lie though this will help amd not go out of business.
http://www.tomshardware.com...

@jukins
Also high end gpus are not only for games. Ever heard of movies? super computers? finding a cure for cancer? Science? Medical field? Yeah they dominate these fields.. Video games is not all there is they are doing a lot and my not want to make a tablet chip for ps4 so amd makes a tablet chips for ps4. Now brag about the tablet console.

Still getting ps4 though. Just sayin I think Nvidia will be ok like they have been for the past years.

Sony going for #1 again and amd going for #2 again.

WUTCHUGUNNADO4808d ago (Edited 4808d ago )

Bad news for physx support though... most likely to remain a tacked on extra considering Havok will most likely take off on the AMD consoles. Not to mention console ports would be heavily optimized for AMD products with the usual devs marketing Nvidia on PC which would require a $500-$1000 GPU to max out. Not to say Nvidia would have any problems considering their on the ball when it comes to driver support but usually all the games marketing Nvidia require their top of the line equipment in order to max it out on release.

B-radical4808d ago

Physx would of been able to add alot of extras to gameplay if nvidia did support one of the consoles but like you said i think nvidia will do just find i myself am waiting for 700 series am currently running a 560 ti figure ill wait every 2 gen

OlgerO4808d ago

Yeah those poor Nvidia executives with their million dollar salaries, it seems they might not get their bonus this year. Im weeping for those poor souls.

Blaze9294807d ago

Nvidia is far from poor and will continue to flourish...let us all not pretend like the company hasn't been the juggernaut company it has been for these past 10 years.

Welshy4807d ago

Nvidia vs AMD.

The new tedious and unnecessary fanboy war to tide us over until the NextBox is announced...

Irishguy954807d ago (Edited 4807d ago )

It's hardly new/

Console fans have only found out about it and joined Amd because Nvidia didn't want a crappy business deal with Sony

Edit - Yes Welsh, I lie on the side that doesn't lie with fanboys.

Welshy4807d ago

I'd say it more played second fiddle to the PS3 vs 360 loyalists and it's only come to light because there is no other Xbox to fight the PS4 at the moment.

And as i said, it's not needed (the PC or Console "wars").

And it's pretty clear to see even from my neutral angle what side of the fence you sit and why you only have 1 bubble =)

Gorilla_Killa_X4807d ago

@Irish
Let's act like console makers don't put out anything for companies to bid on like most other companies do. Sony turned down Nvdia's bid not the other way around.

imchuckbass4807d ago

Even if there were 4 consoles using AMD chips, AMD's earnings still wouldn't touch Nvidia's

Console chips are very cheap parts compared to what Nvidia sells for supercomputers

AMD are in crisis (stock price has been plummeting badly since last year), they needed these contracts, and I'm glad they got them, because competition is good. But be under no illusion, Nvidia are by far still the market leader.

TXIDarkAvenger4807d ago

It's not poor Nvidia.

Obviously MS would go AMD, its a no-brainer. Nvidia is proven to be better but AMD is a lot cheaper. MS and Sony don't want expensive consoles like last gen with the 360 and PS3. Nvidia is literally rolling in cash, this doesn't effect them much.

fermcr4807d ago (Edited 4807d ago )

Yes, poor Nvidia. /s

They make graphics cards from low end to high end PC's, laptop graphics, motherboard chipsets, smartphone chipsets (Tegra) that sell millions and millions every year...

They have revenues in the order of billions every year...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Yes, you are absolutely right... poor Nvidia. /s

People should really put something in their head... Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo didn't go with AMD CPU/GPU because they are better, but because they were cheaper.

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nick3094808d ago

I guess thats why nvidia decided to release project shield

theDECAY4808d ago

Seems a little gimicky to me.

IcicleTrepan4808d ago

This is because they are trying to push their TEGRA chipset for mobile. From what I understand the TEGRA line is doing quite well.

geassdanny4807d ago

Tegra chips, providing your advanced mobile gaming needs whilst you on the crapper.

chukamachine4807d ago (Edited 4807d ago )

Project fail.

Waste of time imo.

As for 720/PS4.

What has the games you want!

Services are everywhere now, The smart TV's have them and there are more coming.

Theo11304808d ago

So if the next xbox has 8gigs of Gddr5 ram, it will basically be the same system as the ps4.

omi25p4808d ago (Edited 4808d ago )

Yeah the 720 will still be cheaper.

kneon4808d ago

The 720 likely will be cheaper because it has to be to appeal to their target market. But as all the signs point to it having at least a simple Kinect built in they will have to cut some corners somewhere.

It's unlikely that the 720 will have more horsepower than the PS4, it just doesn't make sense for them to do that.

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GraveLord4808d ago

That's impossible. The entire system was already designed around the limitations of DDR3 memory.

Using GDDR5 memory is a MAJOR change that would require redesigning the entire motherboard. Could they do it? YES, but they won't because it means huge launch delay.

GribbleGrunger4808d ago (Edited 4808d ago )

It entirely depends on what changes Microsoft and Sony have asked AMD to make to their GPUs and how that power is used by the console. As for this article ... I'd say it could be true that MS are not too worried about what Sony have to offer because it's looking more and more likely that MS are going for a different market. I'll wager that once the initial launch is over, you'll see far more exclusive titles from Sony than even in THIS generation. Expect a Windows 8, Kinect driven TV set-top box that plays multiplatform games; whilst the PS4 will be foremost a gaming console that ALSO offers multimedia capabilities.

M-M4808d ago

More or less, but it's highly unlikely that the next Xbox will have GDDR5 ram(based on rumors).

GamersRulz4808d ago

No, because the GPU in PS4 is more capable than the rumored X720 GPU

PS4 1.84Tflops VS Xbox720 1.24Tflops GPU.

So basically:

PS4 CPU = X720 CPU

PS4 GPU >> X720 GPU

PS4 RAM >> X720 RAM

PS4 is a monster really.

iamgoatman4807d ago

And you know the specs of the next Xbox's GPU, how exactly?

Oh that's right, you don't.

"PS4 is a monster really."

It really isn't. Previous generations of consoles have been able to go toe to toe with then high end PC hardware, if only for a very brief time. But when the PS4 and likely the next Xbox release, they'll already be behind. Hell, their specs are comparable to mid-range hardware TODAY, let alone 7-8 months from now.

And before anyone pipes in with 'but the optimization!' remember the 8800GT. Released soon after the current gen of consoles, and despite 6 years of optimizing and simply getting used to the hardware, they've not produced anything that GPU couldn't produce at even higher levels of fidelity. To put it into perspective, we've had that level of hardware difference around since last year.

The PS4's hardware is of course a nice step up to the ancient stuff we've been stuck with for so many years, but it's hardly "monstrous".

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Martywren4808d ago

I hope MS dont forget there hardcore fanbase, im looking forward too hearing wat MS going too reveal.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai39d ago (Edited 39d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio39d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing39d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9239d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit39d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing39d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9238d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay40d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn241d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers41d ago (Edited 41d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn240d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown41d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos41d ago (Edited 41d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay40d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay40d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac40d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger41d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300041d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde41d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood41d ago (Edited 41d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde40d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7542d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_40d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.