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Multiplatform Games will look better on PS4

Multiplatform games always looked better on XBOX 360 and even PS3 fans can’t deny the fact. Cell processor in PlayStation 3 was very complicated and was not easy to develop on as a result XBOX 360 became the first choice for developers, we witnessed some really bad PS3 ports like Bayonetta, Skyrim, Half Life and not to mention games often get delayed due to the complications in development. Well those days are not going to last much long as Sony is going to release Playstation 4

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SlavisH24717d ago (Edited 4717d ago )

We know nothing about the next xbox, not even its name. We could wait for ...um some specs or ...um a annoncement but your way is more logical :P

P.S. I don't care about rumors they are rumors!

iGAM3R-VIII4716d ago

I do have to agree, when E3 comes and both systems launch and we get a clear answer we will see, but based on all of the things Cerney said about its infastructure and it is easy to develop and PC like, the games could be easier.

When E3 is here all shall be told....

miyamoto4715d ago

The article really did not nail why PS4 multi-plats will look better on PS4 than next Xbox.
and there was no point of comparison.

IMHO opinion if PS4 is easy and faster to make games on it will be the saved development time and developers talent that will be huge factors on how PS4 games will looks better than the competition.

Muffins12234716d ago

Yes we do,the leaked specs.We know they are true due to the fact Microsoft got the fbi to raid his house for it.Not only that, all indie developers are going towards the ps4 and not the next xbox because its easier to develop for and if its easier to develop for then games will generally look better on better hardware and easier to develop for hardware.And guess what...sony has both of those advantages.

iGAM3R-VIII4716d ago

Yes totally agree, I have a feeling about the PS4 this year :)

Oh_Yeah4716d ago (Edited 4716d ago )

Except your forgetting Xbox uses direct x while PS4 uses a variant of OpenGL... Most devs prefer direct x...hence why xbox was the lead platform for most multiplat games.. I see it going the same way next gen. ALTHOUGH since PS4 has a x86 architecture it is easier to port to.. So I expect even if xbox is leading platform again that it now truly depends on who has the best hardware to determine which version of a game will look/perform better.

raytraceme4716d ago

Well valve and a lot of other devs are taking initiative to move into linux gaming (steam big picture) thus requiring the switch to OpenGL. The ps4 has that advantage thus it will be even game in terms of lead platforms.

Oh_Yeah4716d ago (Edited 4716d ago )

@raytraceme yeah hopefully devs do start using OpenGL more..I don't think I'm buying the next xbox from what I've been hearing..so I'd like if PS4 is lead platform more next gen. And funny how if you say anything positive about xbox on this site you get disagrees out the ass lol. I bash on the xbox too.. Go through my comments but I also am not a fan boy, I know xbox shined over ps3 when it came to multiplat games..that was it though and it'd kinda suck if that happened again...because Microsoft isn't exactly about the gamers.

dcbronco4716d ago

Both consoles are rumored to use the same GPU and CPU but one will be easier to program for. If that is the case it will most likely be the Xbox. Because of DX11 and MS is better at tools than Sony. No one can honestly argue tools.

And fanboys believe every bad Xbox rumor but none that would make it better. Leak after leak shows dual GPUs on the next Xbox. SuperDAE said the Xbox was better. Why don't these people believe him on that. The only leaks we know that are accurate are the ones we know came from within MS. Their lawyers tried to stop that leak. And that shows dual GPU and 3 CPUs that make the XBox a more powerful machine.

If we're going to believe rumors.

ichimaru4716d ago (Edited 4716d ago )

I wouldn't bet the kitchen sink on leaked specs from a year old model, its not profitable. both ps3 and the 360 underwent various models and hardware changes before the.final product.a complete yr is a long time for better judgement and Innovation

dcbronco4716d ago (Edited 4716d ago )

I think people that believe these consoles are going to be extremely expensive to make are thinking retail prices. The leaks show one of the chips or both being ARM chips. In that case you're talking about really cheap chips. The SoC in the iPad 2 cost Apple $15 each. AMD chips will be more. But not nearly as much as what it cost for a separate CPU and GPU at 90nm. These are APUs at 28nm.

The huge cost savings on thew 360 and PS3 after launch come mainly from going from 90nm to 45 nm. The 360 going to an APU lower that price even more.

But I agree on the various models. There have been a lot of different leaks about the 720 specs. That's why no one really knows what it will contain.

cyhm31124716d ago

+1
Those who says we have to wait until they reveal the xbox to know the specs are just like those people who doesn't admit their wives cheating on them unless they tell them so even they saw two of them hugging each other in a dark place. obvious is obvious, some people just don't have any clue. You don't need to draw intestines of a cartoon character, do you?

CraigandDayDay4716d ago

" The PS4 sees Sony move to a 64-bit x86 chip architecture, which will be music to the ears of developers, especially those used to working on PC games. The good news doesn’t stop there, though. Developers will be able to take advantage of Microsoft’s latest industry standard DirectX API — DirectX 11.1, but Sony has taken the time to improve upon it, pushing the feature set beyond what is available for PC games development. "

http://www.geek.com/games/s...

Sony will use DirectX as well in the PS4.

dcbronco4715d ago

@cyhm3112

While Sony has had one leak on the PS4 as far as architecture(a couple of potential GPUs), the 720 has had a lot of them. Since their have been so many we don't know about the 720. It could be any combination of the things we've heard and some things we haven't.

Read the forums on NeoGaf and Beyond 3D and they are talking about a lot of things I've never read a thing about on N4G. They don't believe the 720 will have DDR3. Because of some of previous leaks make it not fit with the architecture. Many there believe it will be DDR4. Which has a larger bandwidth.

http://wccftech.com/amd-kav...

So we really don't know what the 720 will have. We really don't know the PS4 either since Sony stated the specs aren't set.

JP13694715d ago (Edited 4715d ago )

dcbronco

I'm on GAF quite a bit and the only people I see speculating about the 720's RAM are desperate fanboys that don't want to believe that their console of choice might be underpowered relative to the PS4. The only thing we know so far is that VGLeaks proved themselves reputable with respect to the Vita and now PS4. The documentation they have on the successor to the 360 - which is something in the range of 90 pages - points to said machine using the came CPU and a weaker GPU than PS4, tied together with DDR3 RAM. If true, the system is going to be weaker than its direct competition, regardless of move engines or secret sauce.

Edit: There was far more than just one leak in regard to PS4. Either you have a terrible memory or you're engaged in some mental gymnastics. There were rumors of dual APU, APU+GPU and finally the current set up, just with different CPUs and GPUs being swapped in and out.

dcbronco4715d ago

@JP1369

Let's VGleaks has been accurate. About which Durango rumors since there have been many? I mean specs wise. Is it about two APUs and a BC chip? Is it when SuperDAE said the Durango was better? SuperDAE seems to be the main source. Funny Sony fans ignore that he said that Durango was better. Well, not really.

We know what Sony has said on the PS4. Though they said that the specs aren't set. There have been rumors that the 720 GPU will be far more efficient than normal GPUs making the consoles about the same. I refuse to trust the opinion of anyone(not saying you) that only believes rumors from one side. Only a fool does that.

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DigitalRaptor4716d ago

Digital Foundry will be on the case.

Not just that, but the developers will tell us, just like they told us how problematic PS3 was to develop for.

Since we've already heard how vocal some of them have been about MS/Sony next gen situation, they will be sure to let us know.

JaredH4716d ago (Edited 4716d ago )

I agree. Even if there is a difference it will be like last gen where some games will run and look marginally better on one console over the other. People will most likely not even notice the differences. Those who frequent the websites that exploit fanboy ideals will though.

Monstar4716d ago

stop using the tougue pocking emoticon to try and get more likes.

indysurfn4716d ago

First I will get this out of the way. This article IS biased! You can see it with statements like JUST more bells and whistle! But don't apply the same 'JUST' attitude to a AMD chip that is also x86 from laptops, and PC's. But that is the old me taking objection.

I want PS4 to win this Generation. Not just because Microsoft is testing our reaction to having access to my living room with a camera at all times. Not just because Microsoft is testing our reaction to blocking used games(using internet validation), because after all not too long ago so did Sony. But because Microsoft is testing it for the 3rd year in a row, and are desperate for it to be acceptable. I think they don't want to believe our previous reactions. And are emboldened by the few people that are blindly supporting them, like the PS2 fanboys did on paying a lot for the PS3. We need to stand up to them let us not be like the PS2 fanfools($600 console, $2000 on ebay), and get what we said we would put up with. Let us be the smart ones. I'm begging all this easy to develop for talk will be true this time! Yeah I know I'm saying rough things to both sides, and will get 100% disagrees. It is worth it!

xXxSeTTriPxXx4716d ago

Duh he read this from a fortune cookie, get with the times bro.baseless analysis is the new logic jezz.

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ilikecookies4716d ago

This must be some high school kids English project. This is so horribly written and not even news it just tells us what we already know. Move along now nothing to see here.

nthstew4715d ago

don't really care about next xbox any more with 3 or 4 exclusive and Kinect I don't give a shit.

P.S PlayStation 4 for me. If the hardware is more efficient than xbox definitely it will have better visuals #deal with it.. :0

Psn8004715d ago

He isn't talking about next gen consoles ?

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Hellsvacancy4716d ago (Edited 4716d ago )

I remember reading that developers had to sign an agreement with MS that no PS3 multiplatform game can look any better than the 360 version, was that true?

I swear I read that somewhere

If its true, I hope it dont happen again

Byeka4716d ago

nope. Due to the complicated architecture PS3 had development on PS3 required a lot of time and resource which no one was ready to invest as that didn't really effect the sales and profits much So most of the ports turn out to be pretty bad.

AAWELLS094716d ago

Has Microsoft already revealed the 720 to you? How did you get this inside information? If you dont have some secret info that noone else has than you're gonna look really stupid.

Minato-Namikaze4716d ago

MS did have a anti competition policy. It's the reason why ps exclusives don't come to the 360 later. MS protected their inferior system, if not then maybe more MP titles would be near the 1st party titles of sony.

DOMination-4716d ago

Sony have the exact same policy regarding ex. Timed exclusives.

Nitrowolf24716d ago (Edited 4716d ago )

The agreement was that Developers had to agree to publish their games at the same time if it was a PSN/XBLA otherwise MS can pretty much deny it.

For on disc games they had to have the same content, or they can deny that to, which honestly they really havn't from what we've seen.

You are correct though as even some publishers have felt that.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

"Not all agree, however. One representative from a publisher who wished to remain anonymous told Eurogamer Microsoft's policy blocks developers from taking advantage of other platforms' strengths.

"Microsoft is suggesting that anything but parity will result in them not carrying a title. They may think this is competitive, but it's not. They are killing any creative exposure of titles to make up for their own platform's shortcomings."

M2-4716d ago

You do realize that, that is MS's XBLA policy? Basically it means MS can refuse to "publish" XBLA games if the game is not equal to other platforms (content) or is released on other platforms first. It doesn't mean MS will block the game from XBLA it means they will not publish it.

Nitrowolf24716d ago (Edited 4716d ago )

That's what I just said -_-

The part about blocking isn't about MS blobking the game, it's blocking developers from taking advantage of other hardware out there.

A policy is pretty much an agreement, they are guildlines that must be meet.

M2-4716d ago

@Nitrowolf2

That policy is regarding downloadable games. The quote you posted is referring to the XBLA platform, it's not referring to hardware.

Oh_Yeah4716d ago

Kind of, it was a contract saying that if there were any missing features or they decided to release a game at a later date on the xbox 360 that Microsoft has a right and may refuse the game entirely.

BrianC62344716d ago

I hope this is true but we all know the PS3 is more powerful than the 360 so why don't they make their PS3 games look like Sony's PS3 games look? Do they want to help Microsoft? There's no reason to not push the PS3 harder than they do now.

pete0074716d ago

PS3 more powerfull? Just Like a top Ferrari With no tyres. The gpu was crap, 360 gpu was Way better. Cell was stronger but a cpu still a cpu.
Now go search better excuses, a PS3 game costs 3 Times To develop than a 360 one

BrianC62344715d ago

Yes, the PS3 is a lot more powerful. The GPU doesn't even matter. The Cell processor can handle a lot of what the GPU would do. For proof the PS3 is more powerful you just have to look at Sony's first party games. They're always better than everything else.

Gamer-404716d ago

Yes, i think this true, Ps4 better and powerful hardware than new Xbox.

I dont understand why make this Microsoft:S

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A History of PS1 Graphics in Five Games

PlayStation wowed gamers from day one, but developers managed to push the console much further - TechStomper tracks the progress made over the PS1's years at the top through five games that show how programmers and artists unlocked the legendary grey box's potential.

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GotGame81825d ago

Look, I loved my PS1. Graphically though N64 delivered a better overall experience. The difference that gave PS1 an advantage was CD storage PS1 had some beautiful cut scenes, but in terms of graphical power N64 hands down was better. PS1 had WAY more GAMES though. I think Developers preferred the tstorage over squeezing everything onto a cartridge with VERY limited space!

GameCube same thing Nintendo went with storage that was limited, but had games using multiple disks. RE4 is one port that clearly showed GC advantage. Rouge Squadron 2 and Luigi's mansion were beautiful launch games. Again PlayStation didn't Limit developers storage space. Nintendo's mini discs were expensive, and developers went with PS2! PS2 I am pretty sure has the largest game library of all consoles. Maybe not if you in include the vast amount.of.shovel wear on current consoles.

After that ugh, Nintendo seems to have given up on graphical power. Switch 2 games look really good, but I am usually going to buy ports on PS5/Series X.

PrimeVinister25d ago

N64 had some stunning games, but a lot of the library ran poorly. PS1 games tended to hit a playable 30 more often, albeit with less complex geometry and less/no filtering of textures, and the inherent flaws in how PS1 rasterises graphics.

I played loads of both back in the day and I definitely preferred the solid geometry and smooth textures of N64.

Terry_B25d ago

Most N64 games looked pretty bland compared with PS1 games.

SimpleSlave24d ago

While the N64 was technically more powerful than the PS1, it in fact did not have better graphics than the PS1. Not even close. Not even a little bit.

The N64 was all about Vaseline-looking textures and a blurry-ass mess, while the PS1 had gorgeous colors, sharp, pixelated textures, and god-tier dithering, and just a better image quality overall. Just look at Quake 2 for a perfect example of the differences.

On a side note, the PS1 dithering was like having a virtual canvas for the graphics. So, so good. With the added benefit that it had allowed the PS1 graphics to age like fine wine.

With that said, if you still doubt how awesome the PS1's graphics were or how big the worlds could get, then check out:
Ghost in the Shell
Mizzurna Falls
Vagrant Story
Colony Wars
Omega Boost
Alien Resurrection
Terracon

The PS1 just had better graphics with better textures, lighting, image quality, and even better overall framerate than the N64.

rlow124d ago (Edited 24d ago )

Zelda and Mario would disagree. Nothing the PS1 had touched those games and others. You’re comparing a 32 bit system vs a 64 bit system. While cds did have advantages, speed wasn’t one of them. Not to mention the 64 was much more powerful.
Now if you’re talking ps2 vs the n64 then that would be a much better comparison.

SimpleSlave24d ago

@rlow1

They can disagree all they want, but that changes nothing. While the Mario developers were smart enough to keep the graphics and textures simple, thus maintaining the cartoon-like quality look, the Zelda developers did not. Basically, Zelda does not look as good as you think it does, and the PS1 has better-looking games than Mario and Zelda both.

"Nothing that the PS1 had touched those games and others."

Except there are. You're talking with nostalgia-fogged glasses and dismissing without any knowledge of the PS1 catalogue. Hell, you don't even do research before commenting.

Like I said, the PS1 has plenty of games that look way better than those two games. But since you're not going to go see any of the games I listed, I'll do the same thing you're doing and just name-drop super popular games like Final Fantasy 8 and 9, with a side of Vagrant Story, and that takes care of that. Three games that, to this day, look absolutely amazing and much better than Mario and Zelda.

"You’re comparing a 32-bit system vs. a 64-bit system."

Listen, I won't insult you for coming here and arguing that 64 is a bigger number than 32, because, I mean… yikes. Next thing you'll say is that the Jaguar made the PS1 look like the Atari. It's not a good look, is all I'm saying. So I'll just suggest you do a bit of research on both systems' architectures, their advantages and disadvantages, and their bottlenecks, and learn a bit. Then, you know, actually see the games running on native hardware, and if you can't, there are plenty of videos out there.

There's no need for the PS2 when the PS1 had better graphics than the N64, and you mentioning two popular games is not an argument; it's you not even trying.

Scissorman24d ago

i dunno about that one. which n64 games rival the graphical experiences of mgs, soul reaver, vagrant story, ffix, chrono cross, dino crisis 2, silent hill, crash bandicoot 3, and countless others?

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gaffyh25d ago

PlayStation 1 Devs were so innovative back in the day utilising so many techniques to achieve the best results. I think this article needed to focus on the games that used pre-drawn backgrounds like Resident Evil, In Cold Blood and FF8 to produce visuals that surpassed anything at the time.

PrimeVinister25d ago

I think you are right and I might add in an honourable mentions to at least discuss pre-rendered backgrounds in the visual history of PS1. It was hugely important and should have been in there.

I was going to include Resident Evil for 1996 but I wanted to talk about a second-generation 3D engine versus Ridge Racer, and I also wanted to talk about Lara's animation.

I was also going to put FF8 for 1999 on the list, even wrote a sentence. But then I figured that Driver would say more about how far programmers (and artists) had come in getting the most from the console.

PrimeVinister25d ago

Could even do an 'alternative PS1 graphics' history. Focus on atypical presentations, like pre-rendered, 2D, BSP engines etc.

on_line_forever24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

I think we need remake for these games :

Driver 1 & 2
Final fantasy 8
Legend of dragon
Dino crisis 1 & 2
Fatal frame 1
Parasite Eve 1 & 2

PrimeVinister24d ago

I would buy at least half of those if remade, easily.

I would love a remake of Driver 3 also.

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PlayStation Scales Back Expectations for Bungie as Live-Service Risks Come Into Focus

PlayStation has scaled back expectations for Bungie after reassessing Destiny 2 development costs, highlighting the risks tied to live-service games.

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isarai_lee29d ago (Edited 29d ago )

Honestly Thank Goodness!! Yet another good sign of a possibility of returning to what made them great and undoing Jim Tyans trend chasing love service gamble. Still gotta wait and see just what direction they're going but this is a good sign in my book that they're not betting it all on live service anymore

S2Killinit26d ago (Edited 26d ago )

Not sure what you lot are talking about anymore. They need to cover all range of games. Im primarily a single player gamer, but even I cannot be daft enough to ignore the fact that we need all manner of games including live service games. Everyone here seems to be a market expert.

isarai_lee26d ago (Edited 26d ago )

Yes "all manner" not just exclusively live service like Jim was doing, but you also shouldn't be forcing devs to make games they not only have no experience making, but also flatout dont want to do.

S2Killinit26d ago

Assuming that anything like that is actually the case and not just a perception of n4g commenters of course.

Redemption-6426d ago

@isarai_lee
Yes "all manner" not just exclusively live service like Jim was doing.

I don't understand why you people have to keep making up lies. You can say you don't like some or most of their focus being on live service games, but to say they were exclusively focusing on live service games is pure copium. At most half of their games were live service and the rest were single player games. Seriously why lie about something so obvious?

isarai_lee26d ago

@Redemption-64

You say that as if we don't have word directly from Jim Ryan and PlayStation stating they wanted at least 12 live service games released within a year. Followed by tons of official word of those Live Service games being cancelled after he was pushed out. All studios combined at the time PS had 15 studios, 12 is a hell of a lot more than half of 15, and it was definitely their primary focus evident by the fact that a huge portion of their studios have taken uncharacteristically long to release or announce anything since, hell some studios have yet to release anything this gen almost 6 YEARS LATER! The only one making stuff up is you.

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Relientk7728d ago

It may take a while but maybe they are finally learning. Good! Now stop with the live service crap.

ABizzel127d ago

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a live service here or there, but to have many of your studios start focusing on it when there has been little to no experience among them was wild.

Christopher27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

They say this and then immediately release news of the Horizons co-op game that will definitely be a Live Service game.

isarai_lee26d ago

I feel like they knew that given the fact that the very furst thing they say in the trailer is to reassure they still make so games 😆

isarai_lee26d ago

I feel like they knew that given the fact that the very first furst thing they say in the trailer is to reassure they still make so games 😆

vTuro2427d ago

Bet they're regrettings spending those billions pretty hard right now.

S2Killinit26d ago

Destiny has been a huge success.

Redemption-6426d ago

They will not. Destiny has been popular for over 10 years, something most games can never hope to achieve. Most people, including myself those Bungie was going to make a D3 after the final shape DLC. Marathon looks to be a hit and a D3 announcement could break records.

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PlayStation’s Business Is Now Built Around Digital Sales

PlayStation’s latest financials show digital game sales now make up most purchases, shaping how the platform operates beyond hardware sales.

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darthv7228d ago

Wonder how this news will shape the PS6 and its use of physical media?

SimpleDad27d ago

Digital key cards with 50mb of licence data.

Eonjay27d ago

I have to say... this news is old and there digital share keeps fluctuating between 70 and 80 percent. Digital has made up the bulk for quite some time.

As far as next gen is concerned I assume they will just do what the did this gen with the Pro. That is to say that the console will ship and the drive will be sold separately. Either that or two SKUs again.

Either way you know it will support physical because the want to monetize the disc drive.

Ethereal27d ago

Holding on for dear life when it comes to physical games. I knew this day was upon us collectors but it is still sad nevertheless.

Deeeeznuuuts27d ago

I reckon they'll go the same route as PS5 and have a detachable drive, which I personally don't see as a problem. I bought a digital for my daughter, then got a disc drive later on and it cost the same as a disc edition.
Also, Playstation is popular in countries that don't have the best internet.
They also still have 3.5mm jacks on their phones, one of the reasons I still buy Xperia so I'm pretty confident the PS6 will have a drive

BlackCountryBob27d ago

I agree, the thing I’m most curious about is will they redesign the drive or will you be able to carry over the PS5 drive to use on a PS6? I figure the drive will have mostly the same specs and it’s not like they’ll be creating a new type of Blu-Ray so from a technical standpoint I can’t see why they’d need to try to sell another one except for naked greed reasons.

DazaMc27d ago

So you're the one who bought that Xperia! /s

jacksjus27d ago

I haven’t bought a physical game since Cyberpunk back in 2020. I think that was only because I had a gift card.

CrimsonWing6927d ago

I’m pretty much fully digital at this point.

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