"It is already a fact that PS4 and Xbox Next will look even better than the current generation"

What do you mean by current generation?
If you mean PS3/360: Thx for stating the obvious o.O

If you mean PC: Nope, multiplatform games will always look better on high-end PCs

And sry but could people (just generally speaking not about you Ashunderfire86) stop saying "pre alpha"?
Successors of early prototype builds, proof of concepts and placeholder models,textures etc. that is what pre alpha looks like.
Everything up and runnning? Particles, post processing, sound, voice overs? Releasing in just a few months? Let's called it a beta...
Companies wouldn't even dare to show pre alpha footage! The media and gamers would scream: Looks like crap!
Every developer who watermarks their near finished material "pre alpha" should be cursed.
At least they could tell us which parts are going to be revised or will receive a major overhaul.

EDIT: And yes I know, Bach said pre-alpha footage but this is just complete bull**** imho -.-
But they've got the reaction they've wanted. "Wow this is pre-alpha? This game will look amazing when it reaches gold status!!!"
It won't look that much better, mark my words.

@GrimReaper - PC people need to make up their minds. Do PCs have generations or not? We're told both on here at different times. Most reasonable people would say they don't, so when someone says "next gen hardware specs" it's obvious they mean consoles and there's no need to bring up PCs at all. But of course anyone who looks at N4G knows how much PC people need to inject themselves into every article's comment section.

Sorry but we do and we did with when it came to the final specs for the PS4. The only thing that changes at this stage in the game for hardware are are CPU speeds and the amount of ram a system will have, everything else remains unchanged so when those same source claim the nextbox specs won't be that impressive, I believe them.

Sony hasn't said the specs are set. They said the exact opposite. And Microsoft hasn't said anything. So no one does know the final specs of either console.

The Sony statement about letting MS go first makes me believe they would make changes if the 720 proved to be more powerful. And there have been rumors of a lot of different parts on GPUs.

Here's an article where Jack Tretton says the PS4 pricing and specs aren't final.

http://www.engadget.com/201...

So until this is all settled and someone can test both, no one will know which is more powerful.

@ SolidSystem

If MS went with a modular system like they had planned, they might still be able to make changes. And I'm sure Sony went with a modular design too. Also, both companies might have designed several GPU's from the 6xxx series to the 8xxx series. Then it would be a matter of which to attach to the CPU on the die. The GPU leaks have been all over the place.

Maybe they sent different equipment to different companies. With the most powerful versions kept in-house. Since it all the same basic architecture giving others the better machine later would be like handing out presents.

You know what Sony wanted people to hear tying to negate upcoming MSFT hype. You don't know what will be final specs in the PS4.

Those announced PS4 specs could be the *4D*, *1080p@120fps*, *10x more powerful than a super computer*, *launch games won't be possible on other platform their entire life span* of the PS3 smoke and mirrows pre console launch hype.

There is a reason Sony said the specs are not final because they are target specs, set high after finding out what MSFT is doing.

1ghz 1.79 Double Precision x 2 well over 2 T-flops
http://www.expertreviews.co...

*waits for bluetemplar's meltdown*
http://www.google.com/searc...

LOL Dcbronco proved even Sony agrees with the dev, with a link yet the PS3 fan comment with a favorable message even though delusional gets the agrees while DCbronco get disagees.

@Greenpowerz...LOL...no. A GTX TITAN (4-5x more expensive) barely has over 1.8 TFLOPS double precision.

Those are single precision counts.

If MS have two APUs("single" 8 core with two discrete GPUs) bolted in their 720 like Sony's PS4 supposibly has they might get numbers like that, but not from the GPU alone.

exactly. the peanut gallery in the first comment thread is arguing over nothing.

Sony and Microsoft have to start showing their hardware to various organizations which control the quality of goods coming into a country/region. example nowerdays in the EU you have to prove your your electronics meet green and eco-friendly standards, and all that stuff. lots of checks and re-checks and then authorisation.

they then have to start mass production, marketing, testing, etc.

both Microsoft and Sony have been developing these machines for years. whatever changes in the next few months will be minimal. it's far too late to make major changes right now.

minor changes, but those are spec changes none the less.

Neither APU is production ready yet, which means everything sent out to devs at this point are and should be considered Target units. a ball park, but not what is going to be in every PS4.

Sure there could be some spec changes, but they won't be huge. Maybe the clock rates could move a little up or down for example, but don't expect anything too radical.

I'd expect 1080p native and maybe some sort of update later on to upscale to 4k maybe 8K

I never understood that. I remember a guy that commented on a YT video I saw had said that he uses Cronus because he works a lot and doesn't have time to sweat. Lol, I was like "wtf?".