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Microsoft Possibly Going It Alone On Used Games

4Player-"Out of the two big players here, Microsoft and Sony, my gut reaction is that Sony has it right. Do not assuage yourself from the used games market, however give gamers a different approach. By offering a competitive choice, Sony may come out on top. Microsoft may be doing themselves a world of hurt by spurning the consumer as a first step."

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Crazy Larry4827d ago (Edited 4827d ago )

I would guess developers hugely support the idea; and both Sony and MS are getting pressured by developers to do it. Developers MAY in turn make exclusives for whatever company does it first. Developers would have a profit on every game sold; and deservedly so. Also, I think Sony or MS could TOTALLY get away with if they charged less retail. I'm not saying I'm for it, but from a developer stand point, I completely understand.

EDIT: Moonman- I agree the consumer comes first. But every game drops in price eventually; many to $20 within a year, new. Devs would still get their deserved profits, and the consumer still gets a great, CHEAP game. The consumer may just have to show a little self control and wait a few months before they buy; and if its a game they CAN'T wait for, they are buying it used for for a mere $5 less than new anyway.

Moonman4827d ago

Of course I'm all about developers getting the most out of their hard work BUT the consumer comes first! Not everyone can afford to buy new games. And many of these new games suck anyway..lol.

Sexius Maximus4827d ago (Edited 4827d ago )

You have a point, Larry. Used games aren't really that much cheaper than new (speaking strictly of Gamestop.) I don't buy used games, but if I did, I'd probably use eBay, not Gamestop. I also usually don't buy new releases, so many of my purchases are new games, around $20-$30. Still, for those people that want to save a few bucks, I suppose used game sales are helpful. HOWEVER, for me, the issue is selling my used games. I may not want to buy used games, but I'd like the option to sell what I no longer play.

dcbronco4827d ago

It's funny to hear people say they will boycott a console that doesn't allow used games. They'll still pay EA $60 for a roster update. $60 a year for map packs based on levels from the game. And $60 for games with online sections where half the players cheat and the developers barely try to stop it. And you can best believe Kotick will support this. If MS does it and Sony leaves it up to the developer.

Tough talk anyway. When a must have hits, you'll all end the boycott.

You also have to wonder what MS is hiding that gives them the confidence to believe they can do this.

Kaiou4827d ago

The thing is , if there's no used market prices WON"T drop on new games that easily , just like with digital downloads(guild wars 2 just as an example). so it's a double lose for us consumers.

DragonKnight4827d ago

@Crazy Larry: It is a complete myth, an utter fabrication by developers/publishers, that used games take away their profit. Developers may flock to the console that blocks used games, but gamers won't. How much profit will developers make with no one to sell to? That's of course a generalization, obviously some will buy the games, but the point is that the console that blocks used games will most definitely see less sales than the console that doesn't block them, meaning less of an install base to sell to, less of a trusted use base to have for the future, less chances for people to support a dev in the future because they like what they bought.

A person shouldn't have to wait for a game to lower in price if they can get it cheaper right away just to satisfy a greedy publisher and developer who already get everything they would anyway from the retail stores they sell their games to.

This practice is appallingly anti-consumer and in no way should be supported.

GrizzliS19874826d ago

If i was Microsoft, and wanted to do the watermark idea, i would tie the game to the account, rather then the machine. This way, you can log in to any Box you wish, and play the games you bought. This prevents a random person selling a game to Gamestop, and having another random person buying it, and playing it. Because they will never know the original users Username and Password. I think this is the approach they will take, because anything otherwise would be suicide for their console. At the billionaire level that they operate on, it would be a noob mistake to do what you people are claiming. It cannot, and wont be the way you think it will be :/

DOMination-4826d ago (Edited 4826d ago )

Wow, a very interesting point that I never thought about. I still wouldn't appreciate this concept becoming reality, even though it wouldn't bother me personally as I rarely buy used games.. but having this feature *could* in theory garner more support from developers.

Would people still not buy the next Xbox if most of the big games ended up skipping the PS4?

mr.selfdestruct4826d ago

I disagre there are many a time i will sell games to buy a new one. So that New game which the company would have sold now goes unsold. To say it would be better for the company to wait months later only to get a fraction of the original price is well crazy. Every used game sold was once bought new They were paid for it. Its a mistake and they will fail for it. If Rumours are true of coarse.

wampdog294826d ago

You'de have to think about the possibility that new games might not fall in price as fast since they no longer have to compete with used game prices... The value sticks longer without used games.

Neoprime4826d ago

Devs don't get profits, publishers do, devs get paid by salaries by publishers.

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fermcr4827d ago

If a console doesn't support used games then NO THANKS... You can keep it.

anderssc4827d ago

To any one who is still thinking that Xbox is on the fence about blocking used games here is definative proof from the mouth of Eidos Interactive's President Ian Livingstone

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4827d ago (Edited 4827d ago )

look at them! The charge for multi play and millions are happy to pay it!! I wouldn't be surprised if MS blocked used games was still successful.

God I hate these apple wanna bees. They really are the apple of console gaming. All they need is an over priced under powered console to sell like hot cakes.

But hey at least windows 8 is failing because of the apple obsession. They went from 70% market share to under 30% market share for servers because of the dumb tablet UI for servers.

If this happens xbox will have biggest publisher support.

UnholyLight4826d ago (Edited 4826d ago )

Your statement about Apple wannabes is pure retardation. Apple is an example of a company who managed to do what a company forms to do in the first place. Innovate, come up with appealing products, and have a stranglehold on the market to maximize profits.

Every company wants to be the Apple of the market.

zeal0us4826d ago

If true then I'm taking life boat and sailing back to the Sony ship, if they will take me.

Most of the games I brought this gen was preown/used games.

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Just_The_Truth4827d ago

They're not going to block used games

AngelicIceDiamond4827d ago

If they do, then there's no way I'm buying it.

MariaHelFutura4827d ago

The president of Eidos just said the next xbox games are watermarked. So you're wrong, unless he is lying MSFT just blocked used games. Look at the story below this one on the main page.

SignifiedSix4827d ago

You guys never seem to realize that its probably something to combat piracy.

MariaHelFutura4827d ago

There are other ways to prevent piracy other than watermarking.

Urusernamesucks4827d ago

"There are other ways to prevent piracy other than watermarking. "

Al rite then, wich one of them is the most eficiant/combiniant?

VicodinViking4827d ago

@usernamesucks

eficiant/combiniant, huh? full retard marks for butchering english.

MaxXAttaxX4827d ago

What if my system dies? Do I have to buy another copy of the game? Or is this somehow tied to your account?

That sucks.

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Just_The_Truth4827d ago

I'm a fan of playstation anyways so I don't care what they do but I just can't see them blocking used games. Maybe exclusive like Halo or Gears but in no way all of them.

blackbeld4827d ago

I'm also a playstation fan but I'm not a blind fan. If Sony gonna block used games I will still enjoy my games with the WiiU.

But no worries Sony already stated they will not blocking used games.

Now it's up to Microsoft if they do this then I can already see what's gonna happen. Xbox 720 will be another big failure.

danny8184827d ago

I believe it. Rumors tend to be true

SixZeroFour4827d ago

out of all these "xbox blocking used games on next console" articles, how many mentioned sonys patent on blocking used games from a month or 2 back and how that effects ms doing it on the next xbox?

im asking cause i havent read a lot of these articles

DragonKnight4827d ago

Given that 2 Sony executives have spoken against the idea that Sony will block used games with the PS4, mentioning Sony's patent is irrelevant.

MaxXAttaxX4827d ago (Edited 4827d ago )

Cause the rumor about the 720 blocking used games has been around just as long, if not, a bit longer.

SixZeroFour4826d ago

i wasnt talking about sony using it...i was talking about how if sony has the patent on it, wouldnt ms have to go through sony to use it on their console

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animegamingnerd4827d ago

if M$ says they are going to do all i will hear this they want you to buy either a PS4, wii u, or PC over the next xbox

crillinFLIP3374827d ago

You do realize the PC restricts games like the article talks about, right? And with Sony being less than direct when they answer the used games question, I wouldn't be surprised if both companies talk about this at E3 this year. Looks like a wait and see approach will be best

ThatXboxGuy4827d ago

Man.What a way for the Xbox brand to die out.Like a candle in the wind.

Root4827d ago (Edited 4827d ago )

I don;t think it would die out, MS would just turn the Xbox console into a Entertainment box and go from there. They would probably just leave the gaming business but would still bring out the odd game like Halo, Gears, Alan Wake for gaming sales.

I mean from what they've done over the years I think they want to leave the industry and instead of bowing out and leaving a part of their audience, gamers, they are slowly transitioning the console into an entertainment box so gamers will come along for the ride and so there isn't an uproar

BitbyDeath4827d ago

If people can handle paying for online then i don't see why blocking used games would be such an issue.

Sure they are two different things but loyalty has already been proven as they are both pretty out there.

EbeneezerGoode4827d ago

"people" don't handle paying to play online.

Idiots do.

ALLWRONG4827d ago

You mean like paying for the privilege to download in the background (PS3 now) or pay to play old PS3 games on the PS4?

EbeneezerGoode4827d ago

@allwrong - I don't do either of those, nor will. Playing online is a basic right when you have already paid your ISP for internet access. UNLESS you are paying for a dedicated server, which in most if not all console games, you are not.

And if Sony go the same route then I'll be just as harsh on them.

JeffGUNZ4827d ago

@ EbeneezerGoode

How old are you? I use PSN and LIVE, I pay for it and I think it's well worth it. You're paying the experience and sleek upgrades on live that PSN doesn't have. You can easily find live for 39.99 on Amazon for an entire year. That's a little more than half the price of a game. Don't be shocked if you have to pay for PSN next generation. You can't keep adding features without find the money to continue to evolve them. If PSN starts to charge, no gaming on consoles for you then?

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio17d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing17d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9217d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit17d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing17d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9217d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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(For Southeast Asia) New Price Changes for PS5, PS5 Pro, and PlayStation Portal remote player

For Southeast Asia, new price changes.

Prices effective starting May 1st, 2026.

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BeHunted19d ago

Looks like PlayStation took a hit with Marathon and is now quietly adjusting prices worldwide to recover the losses

andy8519d ago

Lets be honest raising prices doesn't do that when no one's buying it. I imagine the profit it greater selling 10 times more at a lower price

Pergele19d ago

Whatever you say buddy, let's all wear the tinfoil hats.

IceKoldKilla19d ago (Edited 19d ago )

LMFAO Your comment alone says a lot more about you than anything else. When has one game not selling 10 million copies made a company raise the prices of their console? Then Xbox would be costing $5000 by now lol. You remind of the crazy drug addicts on the street rambling on about conspiracies. xD You sure you don't need a hug, buddy?

ChunkyMonk18d ago

One game that Sony payed $200 million for. lol
Also, you sure were quick to get triggered. Maybe your the one who needs a hug?

Eonjay18d ago

If nothing else, we should be united against the real issue here. AI and unnecessary tariffs that are effecting all gamers.

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Athlon10119d ago (Edited 19d ago )

The price increases are due to the RAM demand associated with AI and the US-Iran war. You can look to any business news website and local news to see that. Heck, even the 2026 Asus Zenbook Duo I've been eyeing has faced delays and has had a price increase of $400; that laptop has two specs. Asus is doing a staggered release with per-orders for the lower spec now and shipping in May and pre-orders for the higher spec that I'm eyeing starting in June. Basically, all computer manufactures are affected. It'll most likely start affecting smart phones too if it hasn't already. I can't remember the last time any major console maker (Nintendo, Sony, Sega, etc) increased the price of their console mid cycle outside of Microsoft just to make more profit.

S2Killinit18d ago

Its not the war. Its the RAM issue.

jznrpg18d ago

War is causing gas prices to rise. Transport of everything requires gas so the prices of those items go up as well. So it does have an impact

Athlon10118d ago (Edited 18d ago )

The blockage of the Straight of Hormuz due to the US-Iran war has affected raw components used in semi-conductor manufacturing such as bromine, aluminum, and helium. Iran had attacked the liquified natural gas (LNG) plant in Qatar which is a large producer (1/3 globally) of helium which is used in semiconductor etching. So it's the both the war and the RAM crises.

badz14919d ago

Oh no...should I get the Pro now before the price increase?

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay18d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn219d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers19d ago (Edited 19d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn218d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown19d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos19d ago (Edited 19d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay18d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay18d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac18d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger19d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300019d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde19d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood19d ago (Edited 19d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde18d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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