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PS4 GPU based on AMD's GCN 2.0 architecture?

New information discovered regarding the PS4 GPU.

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Hydrolex4823d ago

you are too young to get it, drink some milk and hit the sheets

RememberThe3574823d ago

That might be the best advice I've ever heard.

JsonHenry4822d ago

Did I miss something? I was under the impression that the PS4 was using an 8 core APU but I also thought it was going to be paired with a discrete video card? Not that the weak-ass APU was going to be the only "GPU". Or am I missing something?

AlphaJunk4822d ago

It's based on the AMD APU with 8 Jaguar(rumored) cores with the GPU inside being custom with 18 CU's (falling inbetween the 7850 and 7870 in # of CU's)and other unnamed goodies, making this a more economical chip to produce for Sony - No discrete GPU, however.

JsonHenry4822d ago

Damn. I was hoping it was an APU paired in crossfire with a discrete GPU. faaacckkkkkk.. Still though that is a decent GPU. Outdated by two generations already but more powerful than the typical APU GPU.

jerethdagryphon4823d ago

if its an in order processor its concievable to port/ patch cell based code to run entirly on gpu the speed is there and youd have enough cores you could rewrite spe code to work....

porkChop4823d ago

Sony can't emulate the Cell on the GPU. A GPU cannot emulate a CPU, it doesn't work like that. They're different for a reason. You can run *some* CPU code on GPUs that are capable of GPGPU coding, but only a small fraction of CPU tasks are usable in this way.

The PS4 will not be backwards compatible, nor will it emulate PS1, PS2, OR PS3. Sony have officially said that the PS4 will have no backwards compatibility of any kind. Instead, they're going to use Gaikai to stream PS1, PS2, and PS3 games on the PS4. To use these Gaikai versions you will have to purchase the games again.

Sony have said that they have to technical ability to carry over our digital purchases to the Gaikai versions so that we wouldn't have to buy them again. However, at this time Sony has no plan to do so.

I really hope they change their mind though, because if I have to re-buy all my PS3 and PSN games just to play them on my PS4 I am going to be fucking furious. Especially when they sit there and have the nerve to tell me that they could easily unlock all my purchases if they wanted to. Would be a dick move if they don't do it now.

fr0sty4823d ago

"To use these Gaikai versions you will have to purchase the games again."

Sony never said you'd have to repurchase, as far as I know. There is nothing stopping them from allowing those who insert a disc based game (proving ownership) or who have a PSN purchase of a game on their account to stream these games for free. At the very most, they may tie it in as a PS+ service, but I do not see them making users repurchase their content to access it on the cloud.

DigitalSmoke4823d ago

Sony didn't state ppl have to buy these games again at all.
Thats an assumption.

SpadeX4823d ago

Why don't you just keep your PS3?

porkChop4823d ago

Shuhei Yoshida, president of Sony Worldwide Studios, was asked if Gaikai would sync with the users previous purchase history of digital games on PSN. This is important because Sony confirmed that the PS4 will have no backwards compatibility of any kind. Here is what he said:

"We could do so if we choose to. We know who purchased what as a record. But we are working on service plans and we haven't decided."

The fact is, Sony is looking into other ways of handling it, rather than just giving us the games we paid for. He says they're actually working on service plans. That's more than likely a reference to the rumored "Playstation World" subscription service that would give us access to streaming versions of PS1, PS2, and PS3 games for $89 a year.

That would be ok for people who choose to pay that subscription, but it's expensive and not everyone will choose to pay for it. There's no reason to lock us out of the games that we already paid for. The fact that it's even in doubt, and that Sony isn't immediately choosing to give us access to our games, shows that they're just trying to make even more money off of us.

xhi44823d ago

@PorkChop

Having instant access to every single playstation game ever made for $89 is unreal value.

And the truth is, Sony is a business first and foremost, they can't afford (especially because of their current financial situation) to spend millions of dollars on a unreal service and global network just to give it for free so that people don't feel bad.

kino174822d ago (Edited 4822d ago )

@Porkchop

Why would u be furious? Just keep your ps3. Sony never said it manditory to sell it. Just as easy as you can insert your game into the ps4, it would take the same amount on time to do it on the ps3.

MRMagoo1234822d ago (Edited 4822d ago )

I have my original playstation plugged into my tv my original ps2 plugged into my tv and my slim ps3 (cos the original is in my bedroom on my newer tv) plugged into the same tv i can play any playstation games at any time its not hard to do just change the channel to the console you want to use and away you go.

I dont care about BC its not needed and im glad im not paying extra for it when i wont use it ever.

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3GenGames4823d ago

To reply post:

Modern processors have so much crap in them (Out of order execution, Branch prediction) that it's dumb to just call it a in order processor. The way the PS3 works is arrays and it uses DMA to speed up said processes with special pipelining that has just never been used to execute commands. It's honestly not new now, but it's hard to emulate unless you have 10x faster computers as that DMA speed will never be achieved with anything but the specified hardware for now. Now, it's not as efficient in games as games require a lot of different calculations that don't "just work" with arrays, so hence why they dropped the Cell in this system. It doesn't make sense.

But to above:

It should be noted you can also only really mess with GPU related code on the GPGPU's. It must stay local, and small, and operate on the GPU's RAM. Not the CPU. This may be something that might be changed with this single 8GB GDDR5 pipelining, as the CPU can't take full advantage of the RAM, but the 8 cores might share with the GPGPU+GPU too, allowing some extra crap to be offloaded to the GPU in some way. It'll be cool to see if they mess with that at all, but still that's a BIG thing to add. Probably not doable, I'm not looking at the access times of the PS4 so I obviously can't see for sure, but we'll see if they considered increasing the usefulness somehow with the extra bandwidth they have to mess with around the whole system. :)

nirwanda4823d ago

This is why MS have gone with the move engines so the can fully share the main memory and its the gpu and cpu it rearranges cpu data and reregisters so it can work go straight to the gpu without traveling back and forth to memory.
I still think the raw power of the ps4 will be a better system but thrre will definaly be thinks the 720 will do the the ps4 can't

nirwanda4823d ago

There is new piece on vgleaks about the new gpu, i bet its a clever solution to just have two units that work better out of order even if these have to be programmed differently but run well with data from the cpu

Arai4823d ago

The official spec sheet released by Sony clearly states "AMD next-generation Radeon graphics engine".
Which makes these new bit of info even more credible, that would be a nice bonus as it's more efficient as well amongst a lot of other things.

http://s16.postimage.org/jx...

SpitFireAce854823d ago

Love to see the spec sheet of the PS4 bubbles man.

mistertwoturbo4823d ago

The official spec sheet is there, but still not finalized. It would be nice if somehow they ended up getting an 8000 series GPU instead of the rumored 7000.

Cryptcuzz4823d ago

I would flip my table at work if they were able to do that.

With the rumor GCN 2.0 GPU in the PS4, it leaves to me believe there can be many more possibilities of the hardware that we all would be pleasantly surprised to know and find out.

How I long for holiday 2013 to arrive.

FlyingFoxy4823d ago

8000 series seems to be OEM only, it's apparently a rebadge and not worth adding to Retail, so we could see a jump straight to the 9000 series for PC's in the near future (few months).

alousow4823d ago

cant wait for the black beast to come out this holliday

Cryptcuzz4823d ago

Lol I laughed simply because it was so random.

I wonder if sony will go with a black console again.

Would be kind of neat if they went with the original playstations color with the PS4.

Eirher way I am so ready to get one the moment its available.

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(For Southeast Asia) New Price Changes for PS5, PS5 Pro, and PlayStation Portal remote player

For Southeast Asia, new price changes.

Prices effective starting May 1st, 2026.

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BeHunted14d ago

Looks like PlayStation took a hit with Marathon and is now quietly adjusting prices worldwide to recover the losses

andy8514d ago

Lets be honest raising prices doesn't do that when no one's buying it. I imagine the profit it greater selling 10 times more at a lower price

Pergele13d ago

Whatever you say buddy, let's all wear the tinfoil hats.

IceKoldKilla13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

LMFAO Your comment alone says a lot more about you than anything else. When has one game not selling 10 million copies made a company raise the prices of their console? Then Xbox would be costing $5000 by now lol. You remind of the crazy drug addicts on the street rambling on about conspiracies. xD You sure you don't need a hug, buddy?

ChunkyMonk13d ago

One game that Sony payed $200 million for. lol
Also, you sure were quick to get triggered. Maybe your the one who needs a hug?

Eonjay13d ago

If nothing else, we should be united against the real issue here. AI and unnecessary tariffs that are effecting all gamers.

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Athlon10114d ago (Edited 14d ago )

The price increases are due to the RAM demand associated with AI and the US-Iran war. You can look to any business news website and local news to see that. Heck, even the 2026 Asus Zenbook Duo I've been eyeing has faced delays and has had a price increase of $400; that laptop has two specs. Asus is doing a staggered release with per-orders for the lower spec now and shipping in May and pre-orders for the higher spec that I'm eyeing starting in June. Basically, all computer manufactures are affected. It'll most likely start affecting smart phones too if it hasn't already. I can't remember the last time any major console maker (Nintendo, Sony, Sega, etc) increased the price of their console mid cycle outside of Microsoft just to make more profit.

S2Killinit13d ago

Its not the war. Its the RAM issue.

jznrpg13d ago

War is causing gas prices to rise. Transport of everything requires gas so the prices of those items go up as well. So it does have an impact

Athlon10113d ago (Edited 13d ago )

The blockage of the Straight of Hormuz due to the US-Iran war has affected raw components used in semi-conductor manufacturing such as bromine, aluminum, and helium. Iran had attacked the liquified natural gas (LNG) plant in Qatar which is a large producer (1/3 globally) of helium which is used in semiconductor etching. So it's the both the war and the RAM crises.

badz14914d ago

Oh no...should I get the Pro now before the price increase?

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Former Xbox Exec Says Developers Didn't Want a Sony Monopoly

Former Xbox executive Ed Fries comments on the early days of Xbox, the opinion of Japanese game companies, and more.

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Reaper22_27d ago

I dont think that'll ever happen. But i must say back in the day, they were definitely trying because they were more cash rich than their competitors.

CosmicTurtle27d ago

I think MS were and still are the richer company. They tried to acquire Sega back in the day (and considered doing so again more recently), they obviously bought exclusivity to Halo which was originally shown as a Mac title. I don’t think as a company MS can claim the moral high ground here. It’s a wilful lack of self awareness.

Of course Sony would try exactly the same if they had the resources, but when the PS2 dominated the industry was in a much healthier place with an abundance of great third parties.

This has been a depressing generation as far as first party decisions are concerned. The fact we are debating business plans rather than which game is better is a sad reflection of the state of things.

Darkseeker27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

There was Nintendo as well, Sony wouldn't have had a monopoly. In fact, the world would be better today if Xbox never existed in the first place. They pretty much brought all bad practices we have today. We might have gotten all of it either way, but not this early. In term of franchises, I don't think there is anything Microsoft released that would actually be missed if it didn't exist. Even Halo the world wouldn't notice if Halo didn't exist.

S2Killinit27d ago

MS was definitely a bad influence on gaming.

raWfodog27d ago

I think almost everyone will agree that a monopoly is not good for the industry. But that being said, the competition needs to be smart and strategic with their business. Simply buying up publishers and traditional third-party studios just to keep them out of the other companies reach is not a sustainable practice. That goes for all parties so don't think I'm just referring to Xbox.

I'm no business guru by any stretch of the imagination but I firmly believe that the best way to drive consumers to your software and hardware is to invest smart in your first-party studios. Give them full support and guidance in making unique, fun games that are only available to play in your ecosystem and the gamers will come.

Reaper22_27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

But first party studios aren't enough. They only make up a small portion of the industry. Without 3rd party there would be no industry for Microsoft or sony.Developing games take time and money and sometimes you gotta make moves to stay competitive.

raWfodog27d ago

Nah, I never said first-party was enough. I said it’s the ‘best way’ to drive gamers to your platform. 3rd-party is a free-for-all and there’s no guarantee that gamers will use your hardware to play the game. If you want to push your own software and/or hardware you need first-party, or at least exclusive deals with third-party studios.

SimpleDad27d ago

They Shure did a great job... 25 years later Xbox is dead.

Reaper22_27d ago

Then why be so emotional and continue to talk about it. Xbox will never die be ause it stays in so many people's head.

lodossrage27d ago

How can you even see him being "emotional" in that comment?

If anything, you're the emotional one, constantly trying to go at anyone that says anything against Microsoft. So when you call him emotional, it comes off as deflection

Elda27d ago

I own an XBSX & I can say it's becoming irrelevant out of the 3 current consoles.

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Sony Shows Off 20 Minutes of Crimson Desert on a Base PS5

Sony uploaded gameplay footage of Crimson Desert on a base PS5 running in what appears to be Quality Mode at a stable 30fps at 4K.

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BlazedKong53d ago

looks god awful on the base systems