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Next-Gen: Blocking Second-Hand Games Is 'Stupid' - Dev

PS4 and Xbox 720 blocking used games would be 'stupid' says a games dev who argues Steam is putting next-gen at risk.

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NastyLeftHook04879d ago

i agree, think about the businesses that would lose money because of that.

1.gamestop ( dont like em anyways)

2. pawn shops

3. pop and aunt game stores.

4. gamefly

But! i think the new psn is going to be gaikai! you can stream demos in order to see if you want to buy the game! and it will be fast!

hellvaguy4879d ago

Points 1-4 all represent lost sales to the video game industry. I mean the game industry could just as easily counter with look at all the gaming devs that have went bankrupt because of poor sales, partially due to lost profits in used games, where they get nothing.

The one and only motive for companies to not go the direction of blocking second hand sales would be lack of consumer adoption.

C-Thunder4879d ago

1-4 all also represent potential dlc sales and online passes. In addition, they represent a way to play a series you might not otherwise try, get into it, and buy the next one new... Only people against used games are corporate tools, someone ask devs, they're gamers, get their opinions.

BattleAxe4879d ago

^^

I agree, asking Microsoft if used game sales are bad is the same thing as asking a police chief if there should be more laws to police people. They're both going to do as much as they can to promote their own cause regardless of whether or not its good for the public in general.

Outside_ofthe_Box4879d ago (Edited 4879d ago )

***" In addition, they represent a way to play a series you might not otherwise try, get into it, and buy the next one new..."***

Exactly. Sales will drop if used games are blocked. The $60 price tag already makes people hesitant about purchasing a game that they're on the fence about. If you add on top of it that they won't be able to sell the game back if they don't like it, game sales could take a huge drop if used games are blocked.

nukeitall4879d ago (Edited 4879d ago )

One thing is what it does to businesses, but another is what it does to consumers.

In times past, used games represent a equalizer in pricing pressuring it down. Publishers/developers still making money, and consumers still get reasonable games.

If this is taken away without huge benefits to me i.e. "they" take some and give some, I'm moving to PC.

An example how Steam takes some and give some, is by offering cheap games with easy re-download of said games, but it comes with the restriction of being tied to the account.

I remember, when Sony essentially introduced online passes which had absolutely no benefit what so ever to me. Lining the pockets of developers aren't helping me, because creativity will always find a way.

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jmc88884879d ago

Yes it would be.

1. People won't be able to trade games
2. Won't be able to borrow a game to see if they like it
3. People won't be selling games to buy a new game (thus those sales are gone)
4. People who want to buy an old game that isn't made anymore won't be able to buy it. While there are probably close to 1000 xbox 360 games, there's probably only a hundred or so you can actually buy new.
5. Thus to #4 games that are old with a multiplayer component will suffer and die out more quickly because there will be no slow trickle of new players to keep the matches alive 2-3-5 years later.
6. Prices won't come down
7. They won't stop DLC or other microtransactions

SAE4879d ago (Edited 4879d ago )

Bubble for you ...

And don't forget that these people that buy most of games used will buy less games or stop playing video games or even never buy the console ...

ApolloAdams4880d ago

Not particularly. It could work and be effective if it was to follow the PC model in which the games are cheaper and you would have insane sales. PC has basically already cut out the used game market as for Steam you are basically paying a license in order to play the game.

The console market will cut out used games that is inevitable it just a matter of if they will force it or let it go away gradually.

hellvaguy4879d ago

Never thought of like that. I mean I do love steam and a good sale price.

sithsylar4879d ago (Edited 4879d ago )

TBH i wouldnt want it to be like steam because well we have all heard the cases of people losing ALL their games because they got it cheap from Russia or offended a mod on a forum....

but hey this generation likes to bend over and take it dry.

Doctor_Freeman4879d ago

"Got it cheap from Russia" would not entail losing your games on STEAM, you might lose that specific game but not all your games.I'm active on Steam Users' Forums and "offended a mod on a forum" would not entail losing your games, you might lose your forum account and privileges but not your games. The only way someone loses their games is if they make poor choices and/or have a poor sense of security. Please before spreading bad/wrong info, make sure you know what your talking about. Not just taking someones for it...he said she said.

mananimal4879d ago (Edited 4879d ago )

@Sithsylar

Lmao, they sure do, well said.

crazysammy4879d ago

The only problem is that publishers won't make games cheaper. In fact many PC games are now 59.99 (US) when they used to be 49.99. So even if they make more money on new they wont pass that onto the consumer. Then after a few years just like DLC, it wont be enough and they will need to find new ways to squeeze money out of us.

Ashlen4879d ago (Edited 4879d ago )

Steam and consoles are different. Steam runs on PC which is a format that is almost universally backwards compatible. I still play DOS games on Windows 7. I don't want a console that shuts off my games every time a new one is released.

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lukeshero934879d ago

I think the idea of using the code as a means of blocking the individual using the game again is the most ridiculous idea ive ever heard. I remember going around to my friends house with whatever new copy of game i got, the Halo series springs to mind and playing with him. With this new ''idea'' of microsoft that idea of friendly gaming with your pals is made redundant i dont really understand their logic behind this. It will only server to infuriate and alienate the common xbox player and will if so make me perhaps change my opinion on what console to get next

My_Name_BTW_Is_Dante4879d ago

You know what else is stupid? Paying a monthly fee to play games online when you could be playing those same games online elsewhere for free. It just gets worse when that monthly fee goes up $10 more.

Thefreeman0124879d ago

i wouldn't mind this if game prices dropped dramatically. like instead of 59.99 they were 39.99. if they were still 59.99 with the blocking second hand games i would never buy another console.

Hicken4879d ago

I'd still mind. Once I buy a game, I want to do with it as I please. That includes taking it to a friend's house to play, giving it to my nephews, or selling it to some store or another for credit.

None of that would be possible if they block used games. And the cut in price wouldn't be enough to cover buying multiple copies of the same game(why would I want to do that when I could just have one to use in multiple places, anyway?), nor is there a guarantee that that price wouldn't go up in the future.

No, I rather like the used market right where it is. Games still aren't really worth it, though. Not all of them.

Thefreeman0124878d ago

I'm not saying I want it to be that way, I'm just saying I'd be more open to the concept if there was a price drop. I don't really trade games in tho or give them away.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai51d ago (Edited 51d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio51d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing51d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9251d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit51d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing51d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9250d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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(For Southeast Asia) New Price Changes for PS5, PS5 Pro, and PlayStation Portal remote player

For Southeast Asia, new price changes.

Prices effective starting May 1st, 2026.

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BeHunted53d ago

Looks like PlayStation took a hit with Marathon and is now quietly adjusting prices worldwide to recover the losses

andy8553d ago

Lets be honest raising prices doesn't do that when no one's buying it. I imagine the profit it greater selling 10 times more at a lower price

Pergele52d ago

Whatever you say buddy, let's all wear the tinfoil hats.

IceKoldKilla52d ago (Edited 52d ago )

LMFAO Your comment alone says a lot more about you than anything else. When has one game not selling 10 million copies made a company raise the prices of their console? Then Xbox would be costing $5000 by now lol. You remind of the crazy drug addicts on the street rambling on about conspiracies. xD You sure you don't need a hug, buddy?

ChunkyMonk52d ago

One game that Sony payed $200 million for. lol
Also, you sure were quick to get triggered. Maybe your the one who needs a hug?

Eonjay52d ago

If nothing else, we should be united against the real issue here. AI and unnecessary tariffs that are effecting all gamers.

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Athlon10153d ago (Edited 53d ago )

The price increases are due to the RAM demand associated with AI and the US-Iran war. You can look to any business news website and local news to see that. Heck, even the 2026 Asus Zenbook Duo I've been eyeing has faced delays and has had a price increase of $400; that laptop has two specs. Asus is doing a staggered release with per-orders for the lower spec now and shipping in May and pre-orders for the higher spec that I'm eyeing starting in June. Basically, all computer manufactures are affected. It'll most likely start affecting smart phones too if it hasn't already. I can't remember the last time any major console maker (Nintendo, Sony, Sega, etc) increased the price of their console mid cycle outside of Microsoft just to make more profit.

S2Killinit52d ago

Its not the war. Its the RAM issue.

jznrpg52d ago

War is causing gas prices to rise. Transport of everything requires gas so the prices of those items go up as well. So it does have an impact

Athlon10152d ago (Edited 52d ago )

The blockage of the Straight of Hormuz due to the US-Iran war has affected raw components used in semi-conductor manufacturing such as bromine, aluminum, and helium. Iran had attacked the liquified natural gas (LNG) plant in Qatar which is a large producer (1/3 globally) of helium which is used in semiconductor etching. So it's the both the war and the RAM crises.

badz14953d ago

Oh no...should I get the Pro now before the price increase?

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay52d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn253d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers53d ago (Edited 53d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn252d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown53d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos53d ago (Edited 53d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay52d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay52d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac52d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger53d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300053d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde53d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood53d ago (Edited 53d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde52d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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