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Microsoft: Future is in the Cloud

Microsoft executive Phil Harrison has spoken about his vision for a 21st century games studio. He describes it as "a studio that would not create retail products. A studio that would only create for the cloud, for the network, and for a multitude of devices.”

majiebeast4859d ago (Edited 4859d ago )

Its the future they want it to be they want to cut out the retailers. Most people including myself still want to have a disc and a box, so it feels like i actually own something.Cause who knows what happens after 10-20 years the games i bought on disc will still exist but will the service that hosts these cloud games, just look at onlive. So if either Sony or Microsoft decide that they wont do retail anymore ill just go 100% pc gamer.

Intentions4859d ago

PC gamer huh, you know majority of all PC games are digital download now right?

Retails games on PC are slowly dying.

DarkBlood4859d ago

i guess if i wanted to be gaming still if the future went all digital i would pick pc because of steam

so i can play current stuff alongside still having all of my disk and cartridge consoles etc etc

dedicatedtogamers4859d ago (Edited 4859d ago )

Cloud gaming isn't the future. Game ownership is the future. Gamers are growing increasingly tired of not being able to "own" their games. We don't like having to enter CD codes. We don't like having half of our game (the online portion, typically) locked away by a 16-digit password written on a slip of shiny paper inside the game case. We don't like having to log on to such-and-such online service (Rockstar social club, U-play, Origin, Steam, etc) just to play the game we bought. We don't like "always online" games. We bought the game, so we want a little bit of control over it.

Cloud is just another form of DRM. I don't see a lot of gamers embracing it, not unless big-name AAA games start getting big price cuts. After all, if I can't own a game, why on earth would I be willing to spend $60+ on it? I use Steam frequently, but I really hate its stance on how you have to be online for a lot of games, even if you're playing it single player. Gog.com has the right idea: sell us games at a reasonable price with a lot of extras, and then just let us do whatever the heck we want with them.

Information Minister4859d ago

Well said, my friend! Someone give this guy a medal.

The only way I see cloud gaming becoming mainstream is if you pay a monthly fee (like $10 or $15) and you get to play all the games available on that service during that time frame. Paying $60 for a game that I can't hold in my hands or display on a shelf with the rest of my collection (you know... actually owning the thing) is just not going to work for me.

dedicatedtogamers4859d ago

Another thing to think about: we already have developers complaining about hardware limitations (how such-and-such console doesn't have enough RAM, or something like that).

Okay, now add Stream speed into the equation. Imagine the limitations that would be placed on games due to having to stream it entirely from the Cloud. Oooof! There's a reason why (most) MMOs are not all that graphically advanced.

Anon19744859d ago

I don't get why gamers some gamers are still stuck back 10 years ago with their attitudes towards physical copies. We watch TV shows and stream movies that we never own and have been doing so for a decade now. There was a time when everyone owned CD's, now I'm not even sure where I've put my CD collection as every piece of music I own is digital (I think they're in a box in the garage).

Digital downloads are on the rise, excellent services like PSN+ offer us games for the price of a subscription that we never own and people rave about it. It cuts down on retailer costs, piracy, lost revenue to developers, etc. It's so completely obvious that cloud is the future I'm surprised anyone would argue against it. I can't wait!

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dazzrazz4859d ago (Edited 4859d ago )

Fuck the cloud ! Look @ XBL prices of games on demand, its a joke... full retail prices for titles I can get from online retailer up to $30 less !

whoyouwit044859d ago

there are very few games on games on demand that are at retail price. most of the games are between 20 to 30 bucks. and actually read or watch the video properly before you comment. he clearly said that they will still support retail games.

nukeitall4859d ago

The exorbitant pricing scheme is on PSN too. Part of the reason is because console makers are still afraid of retailers.

I love digital downloads for the convenience, but also love the physical format due to the case and etc. I dread the day it's practically all digital, because there would be little to no competition. XBL and PSN is it's own monopoly on their console.

Megaton4859d ago

Not with bandwidth caps, it isn't. ISP greed will prevent this in the coming years.

BanBrother4859d ago

Agreed. Another thing people need to consider is that the sizes of games increase also. Internet speed as we know it now is much more costly and takes much longer to upgrade than it does for a game to increase in GB.

I want all my games next gen to take advantage of blu-ray with un-compressed audio and video, and not be disabled by slow internet.

WetN00dle694859d ago

EXACTLY!!!! In this day of age where almost every single ISP turns to Data caps it would be stupid for MS t go all digital with their next console.

fOrlOnhOpe574859d ago

No. The reality is that the physical medium is still some way off being replaced yet.

O.T
Wouldnt Phil Harrison have some knowledge of the likely spec of the PS4 - presumably well into development before he moved from Sony? Often wondered about that.

nukeitall4859d ago

The seed of the next console is often laid far in advance and it wouldn't surprise me if MS and Sony are starting on the next generation after this next generation.

So yes, Phil Harrison likely has intimate knowledge and I'm surprised Sony let MS have Phil without as much as a peep. Then again, he did work at an intermediary company before moving to MS and after Sony.

Captain Tuttle4859d ago

He left Sony in Feb 2008 and started working for MS in March of 2012, he obviously had a 4 year non-compete clause in his contract with Sony. I doubt that he knows anything about the PS4 unless it was learned from contacts still within Sony.

VonBraunschweigg4859d ago

Good luck Phill, may your studio lift itself into the clouds with lots of nimble games for lots of devices, but I think I prefer my good ol' games on good ol' Blu ray, now and in the future. Blu ray discs. I'm sure Phill must have heard about it somewhere.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio2d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing2d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster922d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit2d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing2d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster922d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay4d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn25d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn24d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown4d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay4d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay4d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac4d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger5d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster30004d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde4d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde4d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent756d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_3d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.